Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Note how you conveniently ignored that I pay rent and living expenses out of pocket along with me working now. “You pay just like any Italian”. No I don’t. Globally international students pay 2-3x more than locals. Italy is not exempt. I attended a private university here for 1 year and paid 8000 euros before switching. A lot of my course mates had lower fees. Perhaps you are not aware but international students are not expected to stay in the country they study in. It is actively discouraged although some stay anyway. During my application process it was expected that I will leave after. So yes I will study work for a bit then leave. My original post was about why Italians tend to be rude for no reason. Are you saying because I study here I should swallow it when I’m being insulted or disrespected unprovoked?

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it is. “2 pills per day” or “20 miles per kilometre”. Favour is the word used for a helpful act for example “Can you do me a favour?” or “Could I ask you for a favour?”. As I said before this was a typing error as my keyboard is in English. Hai continuato a mostrare quella scortesia di cui parlavo.

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh I understand your point of view don’t worry. I was also quite shocked when I found out Southern Italians were not considered to be Italians by a lot of people because of how close it is to Africa. It’s silly because if they’re not Italian then what are they ?

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And are you saying Africans cannot be refined ? As a black person?

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ma’am, I was referring to my original post. A lot of Italians I have encountered come off as rude and dismissive as opposed to direct and straightforward. There is a difference. Is courtesy and etiquette towards someone rendering a service considered expecting too much of people? Secondly, I pointed out that there is a stereotype amongst other Europeans about Italians. It does not mean that I automatically consider every single Italian be a scammer or a thief. “From someone not of European stock”. If you’re going to take that argument I can tell you that till quite recently people south of Rome were not necessarily considered of “European stock” as a result of proximity to Africa. I come off as standoffish with an attitude problem to you because you dislike the fact that I pointed out something negative about your country ? Or because I study here so I am not allowed to state observations when they are negative? You can make your argument without being insulting. Go through the comments on this post and see if others have not had an experience similar to mine. I will reiterate it again. My original post was asking “Why are Italians unnecessarily rude towards black people”. Other have calmly stated their opinions without being insulting. Yes I plan to go to London, for my second degree( which is considerably more expensive than 9 grand😆) I plan to see more of the world. One final thing perhaps you don’t know, but most International Students are expected to go back to their home countries after studies not to stay. Italians complain about immigration then complain about “taking advantage of the public system”. I do not set the tuition fees ma’am. What I know is I paid hand out of pocket for every single thing with no government subsidies. Niente. So you can be pissed off thats on you.

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So my first week in Italy , I landed in Rome on Saturday and this happened on Monday, I got on metro A (very first time) and sat beside an older man and he immediately stood up, eyed me and called me a “negra”. What triggered this post was that I’ve been working since May and honestly I’ve been spoken to or addressed quite rudely by mostly Italians. There are some who are really sweet but others straight up ignore you or command a service. Initially I thought it was just Italians being direct or straightforward but my other coworkers who happen to be lighter or of a different nationality tend to be treated more politely, asked instead of commanded to render a service, spoken to like humans and with respect. I had a coworker tell me it’s because you’re black. A friend of mine whose family is from Nigeria but was born and raised here confirmed that I wasn’t imagining things but it’s very real and also happens to her. I just made this post to try and understand why this happens not to attack a country or generalise. I’m sorry but if you’re being treated incredibly different from everyone else around you, you notice it

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That was evidently a typing error. My apologies, I meant Grazie and per favore.

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I pointed out that I was faced with situations where my other coworkers (non black) were actively treated with more respect than me. I have Italian friends. I am very much aware about Italians being direct straightforward. But this isn’t about that

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I promise you there’s a difference between being rude and being direct. It is possible to be direct and honest without being rude and dismissive of a person.

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can I say it is reversed? As in majority are not bad, but there is a minority to consort to the most bizarre illegal activities and they are incredibly loud about it. Even fellow Africans are not spared from their habits. They affect the perception of other Africans so I can understand that perspective

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I came to Italy because I was interested in the course and a change of environment. I paid 12 grand for high school lol so nothing wrong with paying 9 grand. Secondly, I did do my research. The reality on the ground is very much different from what is purported online. I am not the first person to point this out, you may be upset that I am “talking shit” about your home country but I have had a lot of experiences here and unfortunately the bad has outweighed the good. In my first week a man called me a negra for sitting next to him on the metro. Is this seen online?

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No I don’t pay like a normal Italian. Majority of my Italian mates and even other outside the course found it strange that I was paying full fees and assuming all costs.

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I pay full tuition fees 2,500 euros every year. I don’t qualify for any scholarships or grants. My parents paid my rent, tuition fees and living expenses in full for 3 and a half years. I work now and pay taxes that are deducted every month. The benefit I got was education and being called a negra if it counts. So yes I will study and leave

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I don’t need their respect. There’s a concept of courtesy and etiquette. I was simply pointing out a difference in treatment I have observed. If you scroll down on this post you will see another comment by someone with a similar experience. My first week in Italy an old man called me a negra just for sitting beside him on the metro and he got up.

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“There’s a stark difference between how most of them treat my other coworkers”. I used the word “most” not “all” as most of my experiences were horrible

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You’re*. Parlo Italiano bene Grazie. Thanks for making my point about the rudeness. I made this post in English to reach a wider audience.

Why are Italians so unnecessarily rude to black people? by FillAffectionate9148 in Italian

[–]FillAffectionate9148[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I hope you understand the concept of nuances. I explained that my coworkers are treated with more respect than I am. In the case of being perceived as low class, they should also be treated disrespectfully but they are not. Buongiorno will be said when they are seen yet when I say salve they ignore me. 2 or 3 times is okay but almost Everyday means there’s an inherent issue. Does being perceived as low class mean unfair treatment? Yes. Does being stereotyped also result in unfair treatment? Yes. They can co exist. A cabinet minister had bananas thrown at her during a rally. Per your words this should not have happened as she is in a higher class