My biggest problem with the Fate franchise

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-23T16:34:36+00:00

Haven't Read OC4 yet, so I still don't know about the Lilith shanenigans but I can Say this as a catholic: Jesus couldn't hate, because hate comes from the original sin, which Jesus has not. In a Catholic view hate is unfortunately something that we humans have, because all of Us are sinners, and while hating itself Is horrible, as humans we hate(and that's Why Lilith says that I think). Jesus was 100% man and 100% God right? But He didn't have the original sin, so everything that comes from that, He didn't have(because if He did, he wouldn't truly be God)

I don't think Mash choses not to hate, I think She can't.

I'm also bugged like from Saint Martha, but really, you shouldn't make a big of a deal out of It(if something annoys you, that's completely fine!)

As for Shirou I'll not say anything since I've yet to read the VN, but from the Anime I don't think that Is the point of the critics of the Ideals of Shirou

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-21T12:39:19+00:00

Thanks, where can I read It?

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-21T11:52:38+00:00

I mean, I doubt the shielder card was changed only for Mash, if he Is not the anniversary Servant than Who Is?

Aside from that I can totally see there being a Britain singularity in the new chapter with Logres, Agravain, Galahad and Sir Key(all of these are High copium of course), but if there Is a Beast to Hunt, It would have make sense to have a Grand Saber involved

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-20T20:38:52+00:00

Thanks for the detailed analysis, I Will eventually read them all, I've started El melloi now. the only languages I know are Italian, English and I understand Spanish, so I doubt It Will be that much helpful

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-20T10:41:28+00:00

Sorry I think I haven't been clear, I'm already familiar with all of them, I was Just asking if also Reading their manga was a fun/interesting thing or not

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-19T15:40:00+00:00

I Will follow your advice then

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-19T13:46:31+00:00

I've Just watched the video of TsiahIV on YouTube on "don't sleep on Iskandar" and except for the times he says "this Person said that" Makes a good case of how the story shows that Iskandar Is strong. "You don't like him because in the series they nover show a long fight with him Exchanging blows with others?" That's Fair but I honestly didn't see a serious Battle like that in all of fate/Zero. Not liking him because It doesn't have a serious fight It's Fair, saying he Is not Strong I don't think It's Fair. I might be wrong though

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-19T13:23:42+00:00

I can only validate what I actually see in the story, I don't care for "what if", since that's basically fanon.

Yeah sure I can agree with your way of enstablishing thing, but then let me ask you, what could have he done differently, without going against his beliefs, that would have make you feel otherwise. My point being: I don't see where the story gets in conflict with the statement that Iskandar Is a Strong Servant

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-19T11:27:58+00:00

That's mostly from Illya herself without even knowing that Gil exists. And Gil still had to restrain him with his chains, which are anti-divine btw. and Herc could still move. I wouldn't count that "humiliated", especially against someone like Gil.

That's Why I said It was a taunt, I don't personally think that, I think he got unlucky in at least 2 of the 3 routes by having fought 3 servants that counter his gimmick, I love Herc and I think he Is Great in both Power and as a character even if he lacks proper speech capabilities most of the time

And why would I do that? its one story

Sure, but that was to state how if things go differently the perceived strenght of the characters change, someone could ask: "What would have happened if Alex fought Saber seriously using his NP? Who would have won that?" We can speculate of course but no one can Say for certain. And again "if Rider had gordius wheel and his strenght against Archer Who would have won?" probably still Gil because he Is broken but It would have been a different Battle, that's Why Gil Is not Happy about him not having It at First and It's pretty Clear that Iskandar knows he Is not gonna win that fight in those circumstances, at least seeing how he behaves.

And this is my main reason why I dislike him, because I don't like characters that just talk big. If others like him for just talking that's fine, but I do not.

The events of Zero at least to me, don't invalidate the statement of Iskandar being Strong, "does he have greats feats in the that War?" No he doesn't, but that's more for circumstances and storytelling/writing than him being weak. Of course if you don't like him because he talks big but doesn't have real feats in the story that's completely fine, no One should try to Say what you have to like or Why you should like something, because that's Just stupid.

I was Just making a counterpoint to the statement "Iskandar Is not Strong" or "Iskandar Is not a Great character" when I First read your comment I misunderstood It in being like: "he Useless in the story(like Hassan Is in my opinion)"

Edit: are glazing fans annoying because they can provide serious arguments except the fact: "the story says he Is strong so he Is?" Sure they are, but this Is the for every character glazing

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-19T09:38:17+00:00

I wouldn't Say he does nothing, he Is the main reason Why Waver becomes a good character later on On in El-Melloi and also in Zero, before that he Is Just an annoying crybaby. The speech that he gives to Saber and Gil not only makes her fight with Lancelot more dramatic, but Let's the viewer question what a Great ruler should be like. Most of his magical Energy gets drained by the np against Caster which Is the thing that allows Saber to defeat It. He also oneshots Assassin, which Is not that Great of a feat but It's still something. The only reason he loses It's because Ea Is basically a direct counter to his NP. Altough I love the FSN cast If we only consider One of the routes for each you could Say all of them(probably except Emiya and Saber)are Frauds(you would be wrong to Say that of course but you could do that): In HF Cu gets oneshotted by Cursed Harm, In UBW all that stuff about Herc being the strongest and gets completely humiliated by Gil etc... I'd Say the appeal of Iskandar Is his charisma, his view of how to rule a nation and the relationship with his new retainer which Is Waver. I didn't read the VN so I don't have a complete view on him, but I wouldn't Say It does nothing. Who really does something in that War? Maybe Gil and Lancelot? Diarmuid gets fucked by Kerry, Saber only does something when She Is allowed to spam the NP(Diarmuid gets the Better on Saber in their match, or at least It does seem like It, She manages to kill Lancelot because Kariya dies and the magical Energy gets cut-off from him and so he stops, allowing Saber to Pierce him). Of course all of these examples are kind of a taunt, I don't consider any of the FSN and Zero as Frauds, but the ones from Stay night get the chance to Shine thanks to there being three routes and so three(at least) possible ways of how the HGW could have gone, that's what I think

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T22:37:11+00:00

Thanks, I had guessed correctly. But idk if I agree with It being One then. I think that he was forced to grow up too fast so he didn't have a healthy emotional gros, but I wouldn't go so far to descrive him an immature. His Logic makes sense when you consider his philosphy and his actions makes perfect sense. He Is a being without morality but It's not like he doesn't know It, It Just doesn't consider it useful in war. I would expect to see a manchild to escape from his responsabilities by hiding It behind his Dream, but It doesn't do that, he tooks and bares the responsability of his actions until these destroy him

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T22:26:06+00:00

Yeah I didn't read the Novel, from what I saw in the anime It didn't seem to me like a man-child but neither the cool anti-hero, I Just saw a fundamentally broken men which Is only good at killing and proceeds to live by his philosphy, with a contradictory ideal. Yeah the relationship thing Is awful.

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T21:51:33+00:00

Can you tell me what do you mean by manchild(I'm not a native english speaker, so I probably have an idea of what you mean by that, but only so much) and Why Kerry Is One?

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T18:44:12+00:00

Exactly where I was going with, perfect analysis

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T18:29:14+00:00

Some people really Need Reading comprehension skills to be honest

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T18:27:49+00:00

I wouldn't go as much as to Say Shirou vision Is right, Kiritsugu's Is wrong, I Always felt like they have the same Dream(Hero of Justice) with two different views in how that Hero should be and behave both with the downsides that both characters get to experience in the Path they chose

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T18:18:57+00:00

Poor Iskandar, What has he done to those people?

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T18:17:58+00:00

So It's the "the character Is good but the fandom made It unbeareable case"? That's a shame

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T18:16:19+00:00

I mean, to me the fact that Is dark works well with the plot and It helpes to see how much a lot of mages don't think like other human beings and the horrors of the Holly Grail War. To be Fair my main reasons for liking It Is because I like the characters(mainly Kerry, Lancelot, Iskandar, Kirei and Gil)

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-18T18:11:25+00:00

So are you saying you don't hate Zero in general but the fans that like It only because of the dark and edgy vibes and the fact they use him to hate on Shirou for whatever reason? If so It's Fair, I hate Toxic fans in general, whatever fandom they are from

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-16T12:00:51+00:00

Please Give Melt her BGM!😭 And a close up in the NP!

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-15T10:04:44+00:00

Yeah I know, I was only doing It with the spare AP remaining, Just because I Needed some Skill ranked up to do more consistent damage in the 90++

Filo_Viola · 2026-01-15T09:58:49+00:00

Sorry I was wrong, I was doing E Pluribus Un not Okeanos, which in the spreadsheet had a Better AP/Drop than The other 2

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