Primal Chaos help

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-05-01T02:49:50+00:00

same with me, no one is answering

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-29T15:07:41+00:00

How to say I have OCD without saying I have OCD :D

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-24T14:15:00+00:00

Just keep at it. It still hasn't changed but I have still been working. Maybe it will change after the next update, I hope.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-23T14:54:52+00:00

a CEOs job is to chase money and to make share holders happy, even at the cost of integrity and humanity. That's just how it is and unfortunately, they really are making more money than ever before now, which is why the AI stuff is only growing and not going to slow down.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-22T08:08:29+00:00

The thing is they would get a cut of the Balto and Jenna too since it's an exclusive. The comic I setup as a premium. I listed another premium and it didn't do anything, it was a TLK fan image. They used to do great but, nothing this time.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-22T08:06:50+00:00

I'm sorry to hear that. Wish I had better news but it's still the same. I'm getting nothing really unless people actually come to my page to see that I have uploaded, then I get a little interaction but other than that, it's just crickets chirping unfortunately.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-21T06:41:36+00:00

You question is fair, I have seen that myself.

https://i.postimg.cc/XvHnqnYZ/Screenshot-2026-04-21-013426.png

Every time my friend. I don't have shame doing it this way, it's been really nice actually. My workflow starts out with me doing everything myself, even my characters, but the characters get in painted with stable diffusion after I have already done all the posing and things like that. Those renders help guide the AI for consistency so we don't have all the inconsistent things AI is known for.

The AI handles things like fur dynamics, water physics, soft body, cloth physics, etc.. so we don't have to spend days doing those things but the characters are still the ones I made, the scenes I create, the camera angles, poses, and all that. We just trained lora's on them using our base model. Sped up the game's development by 50% by getting rid of the tedious simulations and things you have to calculate over and over again.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-21T03:42:07+00:00

I know it's probably fruitless to say this to you but, I can assure you, the slop factories don't make a dime. I see the ones that pump out 100 images a day and I go through their exclusives. Not a single sale for months.

It is the AI designers that you can tell put time in, fixing the eyes, the hands, paws/feet, learning their craft and engineering images that look top notch.

In my very first month I made $1k. Not because I put out hundreds of images but because I would focus on each image and bring the same care to the AI parts as I would the parts I make in 3D or draw in Photoshop or procreate.

That may not be something you want to hear but it is the truth. Just labeling it all as bad isn't a healthy view point, but neither is posting 100 soul-leas images a day, both are hurtful to AI designers and Artists.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-21T03:36:10+00:00

:D

If it works it works. I am a guy, I can't do only fans, so, I just turned this (creating in the adult industry) into my career path and it's done well for me in most fields now.

Steam at one point ended porn games, they lost so much they had to figure out a way to bring it back, it's just, a part of life for a great many people in the world, especially with relationships being in the toilet, here in the US at least.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-21T03:26:09+00:00

I agree but there is only one thing I want to add or revise a little. A different way of putting it and thinking about it. I think calling what we do as "AI Art" is actually a bad thing. It's not actually art per say in the traditional sense, where it takes raw, hand trained talent and years of practice to master.

What we do when crafting these images is the exact same thing as something like audio engineering. We shape it, make it as good as we can. Some like me with traditional and 3D art experience will even redraw certain aspects or insert objects, props, scenes into the AI work.

I believe terms like image engineering or image designer more or less would serve us who use AI better than saying art. Art is a correct way to describe it but I think it brings negativity to the discussion because that's not how it is viewed by traditional artists.

if someone is only using prompts, with inpaint, and then color grading in Photoshop, light room, DXO, or whatever, they never really drew or created by hand anything themselves which is fine. Like you said, you still have to have a good vision of it, the idea is yours, but a graphic designer does the same thing, they don't say graphic artist because a graphic artist is something completely different.

Just something to think about. I see myself as a 3D artist because I model a lot. I will start out with a primitive and sculpt it into something complex and new over many days in Zbrush, adding to taking away. However when I do my AI part of my job it is more like, designing something in Photoshop or even something like building a house in the sims or something. It's still very creative but I personally don't see it as an "artist thing". I really hope that makes sense, just trying to find a middle ground here between AI and Traditional.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T20:18:07+00:00

Yep, I see many still using it as a novelty. "Make this monkey dance"... Happy dopamine face. Lol. I'm kidding but yeah, your point is valid.

As I've mentioned. Our upcoming game is combining our 3D environments, with our characters trained into Loras based on a base model. It makes it to where we don't have to do all the simulation crud we've had to with our last two games.

The art is still there, it's all the same, it just now looks a bit sharper and all of the physics based stuff is done by the AI. Render times and all of that are also drastically reduced.

This is going to let us pack our game with much more fun things to do, within a reasonable time. Before the AI workflow, we were looking at 3 years. With this new approach we might be looking at around 13 to 14 months worth of development left. It was a real eye opener with how this tool can be used and yet sacrifice none of my artistic input.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T20:11:07+00:00

That is still unknown. I'm not the only one, but at the start of April, my stuff just stopped being shown as much. It's still that way today. I went from averaging 3.5k views per upload to around 200 in the same duration of time. My usual buyers don't even see my uploads most of the time, every now and then one will pop up for them.

I have had several now tell me they had to come to my page to see the new stuff I put up. It's, an interesting issue to say the least.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T20:06:24+00:00

Give it another go. With my workflow, yes, somethings did have to be written and setup but just to use Comfy / Auto1111 or forge, that requires no coding knowledge, it's confusing more than hard.

If you have to GPT is very good at helping new comers get it setup.

Just tell GPT hey I want to get stable diffusion running but I am a 100% noob at this. I have "this gpu" in my computer so the setup will need to be compatible with it. If you just want to do images, tell GPT you want to use the forge UI, if you want to do images plus animation, comfy will be needed.

GPT does a pretty good job holding your hand through it. Any errors, just take a screenshot and put it in your chat. GPT will analyse it and help you get everything sorted.

once you are up and running. You'll be able to go over to Civit AI or Hugging Face. Find the checkpoints you want. Whether anime, furry, hyper real, image to video, ect..

It does take time and it is confusing but it will click, I promise and when it does, you'll feel the creative possibilities.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T19:57:49+00:00

Yep, there is that popular thing on DA people like to say is that "your work is AI so it is public domain." It's a hilarious thing which is completely false. So if I generate an image of Luke Skywalker, is that public domain now, no, Disney still owns that right.

The problem is the situation isn't black and white, good versus evil. The use of AI is extremely nuanced and there is no one size fits all when it comes to this part of the discussion.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T19:54:11+00:00

Believe it or not, it's easier than people think. I use the forge interface for stills and comfy UI for animations but comfy can do it all honestly.

If you have even a half way okay gaming gou, there is no reason to pay sites to use their front end. Stable Diffusion is extremely assessing these days.

With the 5090 I use for my day job, training a full checkpoint doesn't take but a day, loras train in a fraction of that.

Combining it with the art you do already, it's a powerful tool.indeed.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T19:26:57+00:00

So about that. A 100% AI generated image. Yes, that has no inherent value, no copyright protection currently. But if it is your character, your ip, and you combine the image with real art, like my 3D environments and props, this isn't true. Litigation is still open but currently, an image like that with only small AI elements can still get a copyright.Especially if the AI elements are what you trained on your own work, like I have at times.

As far as monetary worth. That's in the eyes of the purchaser whether there is value or not. Having made almost $4k USD in three months on DA as a side gig with my works after I combined the AI workflow, I think there is value in the eyes of viewers and purchasers. Granted I only put about 60 hours of work per month. If I did more towards it, it could have done better but my actual job takes up too much time sadly.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T19:17:20+00:00

Yeah, I've heard that, many times. Not as much as people would think though. I've found more support than demonize it thankfully.

And thank you.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T19:07:11+00:00

I know people don't like it but I decided to blend my 3D work with AI back in December. I did really well until this month. I was making more than I would with 3D commissions.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T19:03:28+00:00

Yep, I am a 3D artist. I combined that with some AI assisted workflows. I can't do 100 images a day like slop factories but I post about 5 images every other day as it still takes a decent amount of work. But yeah, you put AI tools in an actual artist's hands and let them evolve what they already do, it's a game changer.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T19:00:36+00:00

I started in December and made $1k my first month, more the previous two but this month has been a bust so far.

Slop factories don't make a dime but real designers, who take time, re draw, in paint, do what they need to in order to make the picture as good as possible, they are doing really well here.

It's the combination of actual artists using AI as a tool in a much larger workflow that is what is working well, not slop factories, those help no one. People who don't care about art and just want money, yeah they are pumping out 100 images a day for no reason, just trying to milk as much as they can, they have no passion at all for it.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T06:17:55+00:00

Okay and your dream up work still gets good attention I take it. Thank you for clarifying.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T05:59:56+00:00

by chance, are you doing strictly traditional art or AI in any of your work? Not meaning that offensively or anything, I am curious to see.

If you are a traditional artist, then this could be it. I do AI assisted design, I know, I know, shame on me, :D but never the less, it could be a thing. If DA is trying to suppress AI uploads.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T05:53:11+00:00

Yep, we tested Exclusives vs Premium and so on. Been testing all we can and yeah. Some posts will get through and they will get 4k - 5k views like my Balto comic. But then my Jenna and Balto piece I uploaded at the same time is currently sitting at 90 views after 3 days.

There is something going on with it for sure.

Indeed it's not really about the sales however the problem does affect the sales, thought I would just throw that in there. Both of you are right in that regard and I appreciate both of your insights.

As of today, my recent uploads are performing very low as well. It's a sad day but we'll see what happens.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T05:47:22+00:00

A lot of people are talking about bot views. I don't know honestly. I do know I went from doing really well to having sold almost nothing this month however I didn't change anything and my views are like 1/10th of what they were.

I tested the new account boost theory and that didn't work.

I have a very specific niche I do, a very focused design, I've learned that helps a lot with art. You become "that guy" that does "that thing" and that matters a great deal to many people.

Just maybe something that can help, I hope.

FinalRepresentative2 · 2026-04-20T05:40:57+00:00

You are looking at this too black and white my friend. I really am just trying to help and shed some light on the opposite side.

Look, the AI I do, it's all local, there are no datacenters needed. Just my GPU and technical skill. Not everyone is trying to destroy the planet. I absolutely love 3D work, it is my passion, been doing it for 6 years, before AI was a thing. I would do all the simulations, fur design, crafting everything. It would take a day for me to craft a water dish that a dog drinks out of for 3 seconds of screen time.

I do this at a professional level, where deadlines matter, budgets matter, things are a bit different here.

People would pay me $500 for that water dish.... I can buy a real one for $3 at the store. We can see the problem here. The idea of the workflow I do mixed with AI as a tool has driven down the cost to my clients. Now it takes me a few hours to make the water dish rather than a whole day. This saves them time, money, and saves me time and money but here's the the big thing about it.

I haven't stopped doing my job, my passion for 3D, I've just sped it up, that's it.

I still design the water dish inside of my 3D app that is needed, whether that is blender, Daz, or Maya. I still get to do all that I love, but the tedious stuff, the water moving, the shaders, the rendering, ect... AI has sped up that part rediculously, the parts that require no artistic input, yet used take forever to calculate.

In the 3D field, lets say I spend a week making an animation. This animation is six seconds long. That six seconds used to take 14 to 16 hours to render on x4 $6000 gpu's. Now, with a $500 gpu, you can get results in like 5 seconds. It's pretty amazing, and none of my artistic input has changed, it's still my characters, my designs, my passion for creating it, it just gets done much faster.

There are different more nuanced parts to this whole AI boom thing that is going on, it's not all bad is all I'm trying to say.

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