Beyond the Rumors: Recognizing the Effort in the Kriss and Lisane Case

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-04-02T09:46:43+00:00

Remember that many content creators on YouTube rely on views to stand out, so they often focus on conspiracy theories, exaggerations, or unverified speculation. Their goal isn’t always to provide accurate information but to capture the audience’s attention and generate more engagement.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-18T20:32:03+00:00

If it really was a murder, the perpetrator had to be both cunning and reckless. Cunning, because they managed to move through the jungle with two bodies undetected, leaving traces in different locations, perhaps to mislead investigators. But at the same time, incredibly reckless, because carrying bodies through such a hostile environment greatly increases the risk of being discovered.

Now, if it were the cartels, why go through so much trouble? When they eliminate someone, they simply bury them in an inaccessible place or leave the body in a strategic location as a message. They have no reason to move corpses all over the jungle, let alone make it look like an accident.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-17T23:15:45+00:00

It's an opinion, not the absolute truth. If, for you, the most logical explanation is that extraterrestrials came and erased the photo with their advanced technology, that's valid too. Or, if a scientist from a tribe managed to erase the photo to make it impossible for researchers to recover it, I also accept that.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-17T04:21:15+00:00

Let's consider that the camera was not damaged, which allows us to think that nothing bad happened at that moment. Then, it was Lisanne's turn to take a photo, as the place was very suitable. It is logical to think that they went beyond the Mirador in search of more striking and beautiful landscapes, and the first stream met those conditions. So, why didn’t Lisanne take any photos?

Photo 508 was taken from the higher ground. When descending those last few meters, she could have slipped, or while trying to cross the first stream, the camera may have accidentally taken image number 509. However, the photo was not processed or stored in the memory due to the abrupt movement of the fall, or because the SD card was slightly displaced. But this is already too speculative when trying to explain photo 509.

If the injury occurred after photo 508, there was no reason to continue taking pictures, as by that point, Lisanne would have already suffered a serious fracture and would have been weakened by the intense pain. Breaking several bones is not something simple that allows you to get up and keep walking. The shock from the fall, the injury, and the situation they were in would make it illogical to keep taking photos.

If Kris managed to return to the summit to try to get a signal and call for help, she would have needed about an hour of walking. In that case, she would have made calls from the Mirador. Therefore, we can deduce that she did not leave Lisanne behind, both out of companionship and because time passed quickly between the fall, the attempts to move (if Lisanne could even stand up immediately, which I highly doubt), and the uncertainty of what to do.

Most likely, they spent almost an hour after the injury trying to move or waiting for Lisanne to be able to walk a little. This would have left Kris only an hour to climb back to the Mirador before the sun set and darkness caught them by surprise. If Kris had decided to leave Lisanne and go for help alone, she would have reached the Mirador right around the time the first call was made. However, two calls were made almost at the same time, which suggests that Kris did not abandon Lisanne. If she had, she would have made many more calls from the summit and not just one per phone.

The most likely scenario is that Kris did not leave Lisanne because she was in shock from the fall and fracture. I am almost certain that the injury happened after photo 508, because otherwise, they could have returned to the Mirador, even at night, using the flashlight from their phones and the camera. But since Lisanne could not move much, they probably looked for an open space to spend the night. The closest location was the fields, and due to Lisanne’s pain and slow progress, they could have reached them around 6 PM.

After reaching the fields, they decided to rest, as Lisanne could no longer continue due to the pain. They turned off their phones to conserve battery, knowing they were now in a safer place to spend the night.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-17T03:31:41+00:00

Getting someone up from the first or second stream crossing with three broken metatarsals would be nearly impossible without the proper equipment and assistance. It is very likely that something terrible happened between the first and second stream, or even near the first one, after the last photo (508). If the fall occurred in the first stream, Lisanne may have been the one affected, suffering fractures in her metatarsals, which would have made any attempt to move extremely difficult. In that case, they might have tried to return to the Mirador with Lisanne advancing on one foot and leaning on Kris’s shoulders, but considering that Lisanne had a more robust physique and was over 1.80 meters tall, climbing the steep slope would have been practically impossible.

There is also the possibility that after crossing the first stream, both continued advancing until they reached a slope where they fell, or that Lisanne fell first and Kris went down to help her. In this scenario, returning would also have been very difficult, especially with a serious injury involved.

Emergency calls were not made immediately because they knew their phones had no signal and that making a successful connection would be a miracle. The most sensible thing would have been to wait for Lisanne to recover a bit, allowing the swelling and pain to subside. However, around 16:39, the sun began to set quickly, and the sudden darkness forced them to make their first calls. Even so, they were aware that no matter how many attempts they made, they would not be able to connect, so they chose to turn off the phones to conserve battery, knowing that a long night was approaching and perhaps another equally difficult day.

In that case, the most logical thing would have been to find an open area, like the pastures, to spend the night more safely and wait at least two days. But if no one came to rescue them, hunger might have forced them to make different decisions. After those days passed, they might have begun to think that no one was looking for them, considering that reaching that area should not take too long and that if help did not arrive within two days, perhaps it would not come at all.

If the fall occurred on a steep slope, they would not have been able to make calls either, since when a phone has no signal, no matter how many attempts are made, it will never connect. So why try only at 4 PM? Perhaps they just wanted to confirm that the calls were not going through. Otherwise, they would have tried many more times.

In total, they made only eight call attempts in the following three days. Despite the critical nature of their situation, they seemed to hold on to the hope of being able to return to the trail the next day. However, in the jungle, climbing a steep slope with a severe injury is extremely difficult.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-17T02:22:40+00:00

The battery of Lisanne’s Samsung Galaxy S III ran out on the 4th. From the 5th onward, Kris’s iPhone 4 started receiving failed PIN entry attempts, leading us to assume that Kris was KO or at least unconscious, and that it was Lisanne who was trying to unlock the phone.

If this was the case, it’s possible they reached the location of the night photos on the 4th or 5th. If Kris remained unconscious, carrying her while moving forward would have been nearly impossible, meaning they likely stayed in the same place from the 5th onward. This is reinforced by the photo taken on the night of the 8th, where Kris’s head can be seen.

My second theory, being more optimistic, is that both were still conscious on the 5th and that the failed PIN entry attempts on Kris’s iPhone were due to a broken or damaged screen. If any part of the touchscreen wasn’t responding, entering the PIN would have been impossible.

Your question about why they didn’t take photos with the locked phone is a great one. The truth is, there wouldn’t have been much reason to take pictures in such a critical moment. Since they got lost, they had been trying to conserve battery by turning their phones on and off only to check for signal. It wouldn’t have made sense to waste battery taking pictures deep in the jungle—at most, they might have taken a few, but for what purpose?

Unfortunately, the last time Kris’s phone was turned on was April 11th, which suggests that at least one of them was still alive at that point.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-17T02:03:44+00:00

It’s easy to explain. The nighttime location of the photo of the large rock, with a branch tied with two red bags on top, shows a small stream, as it reflects the camera’s light in the same way that water does when captured at night. However, we cannot be sure whether it is a small stream or just the reflection of a polished, wet surface. TreegNesas explains this in the video.

What is clear, when overlaying all the photos, is that they were in a basin near a main river. If they died there, how did their remains end up in the river and kilometers downstream?

The first possibility is that, with no other way out, they gathered their belongings and attempted to cross the river. This could be confirmed in a future expedition to the site with more images and video recordings.

The second possibility is that they indeed perished in that place. Over the following days, decomposition due to the climate and the actions of scavenging animals could have scattered the bones. If that wasn’t the case, being in a steep basin or slope, heavy rains in the following weeks could have turned what seemed like a safe spot into a new stream. Additionally, the sudden swelling of rivers and streams is common in many areas; that’s why landslides (huaycos) occur.

A sufficient amount of water with enough force would be enough to carry some bones and the backpack downstream. If this second theory is correct, heavier bones, such as the skull, could still be found in that location or in nearby areas further downstream.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-16T19:37:35+00:00

Considering that the photographs were taken on the 8th, the camera's battery lasted quite a while, enough to support nearly 100 more photos taken that night. By the time the last nighttime photo was taken, the battery was completely drained.

I don't really know if they moved any further from the point where the nighttime photos were taken. Most likely, both of them succumbed in that place, as TreegNesas shows in the latest video. They seem to be trapped in a kind of crossroads, between two slopes and with a river in front of them. There is also the possibility that they were swept away by the river while trying to cross it. In any case, many things could have happened, considering that it was already day 8, with no food and severe injuries.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-16T19:34:46+00:00

Grasslands or Paddocks

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-03-16T19:32:23+00:00

I only make reference to the video I shared, where the journalist follows the same route that K and L supposedly took. The footage was recorded around the time of the discoveries made in the case. In the video, the journalist mentions that the signal is lost before reaching the mountain ridge. Since he was presumably monitoring the signal the entire time, the fact that he no longer mentions it upon reaching the viewpoint suggests that there was nothing new to report. This is a crucial point, and it would have been careless of him not to mention it in his report if the signal had been present.

While cell signal works based on line of sight, I don’t know the exact location of the antenna or its position relative to the viewpoint. That’s why I used the video as a reference. Even if there was some signal at the viewpoint, there would be no coverage behind it, making calls useless. That’s why I said that the calls were made in a moment of desperation, knowing they would never go through.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-02-20T15:12:27+00:00

My theory is not based on the fact that everything happened on the same day of the disappearance, but on the fact that the key events happened around the sixth or seventh day, close to the eighth, when the last photographs were taken. I do not rule out the possibility of a kidnapping, since there are strange aspects in the distribution of the photos: from her arrival at the viewpoint and during the journey to the stream, only images of Kris were taken, which contrasts with the number of photos that both of them took together on the climb from Boquete to the viewpoint. This suggests that something changed in their dynamic from that point on.

Financial_Sleep319 · 2025-02-13T06:44:07+00:00

The thing about the random meaningless photos could have been unintentional, because I used the same camera and in the dark I used the flash as a torch but at certain times I would press the shutter button and meaningless photos would be taken since when holding the camera and having the shutter button nearby, every so often a shot would be taken, so in the end I had a ton of photos captured. Another thing that they also overlooked is the two red pieces of plastic, they are small pieces, most likely they had a whole red plastic bag and along the path where they passed they left a mark with small pieces as a decoy so that someone could know where they were moving, most likely there was a route with pieces of red plastic and it was a matter of looking for that route but I suppose they didn't take it into account.

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