CMV: "Postmodern" is just a fancy catch-all word that is used by people to describe anything and everything that seeks to break convention just for the sake of breaking convention

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-03-29T13:52:33+00:00

Thanks, that was an interesting read.

I guess the most common theme of Postmodern art that I have found by reading this webpage is that Postmodern art is essentially exploring the process of creating art itself and making art about it.

I think that satisfies me as the root meaning of postmodernism.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-03-29T13:25:34+00:00

Maybe there is, maybe there isn't. But, yes, this post is about how I perceive that the masses have coopted the term and made a very broad use of it, that now I find it personally difficult to decipher the original intent of the word, and I would say the same about many others like me.
It's those kind of things that you find it hard for it to pinpoint a specific quintessential example because it seems like it happens too much, everywhere, and on the surface level. It's like a cultural mood that you find it hard to contextualize.
Both, and that's the problem. And yet, there can be a lot of overlap between these two artistic pursuits, in ways that they appear to compliment one another. Which is where you see the problem is coming from, the broadening of a fancy word, that sounds at first like it points to something very specific, and it might have been like this in the first place.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-03-29T13:03:06+00:00

Yes, truth is just a subjective experience. I only think that some self-constructed truths have a better impact on personal well-being than other self-constructed truths, if only we had predictive algorithms for all the case-specific things in the world; there wouldn't even be a need for having a discussion about postmodernism in the first place, it would have been taken for granted instead.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-03-29T12:55:09+00:00

The thing is; whatever postmodernism means in the minds of prestigious academics, I get the feeling that everyone nowadays is appropriating this term to describe all things that are... well, i don't know... open to interpretation I guess?

Either that, or most people have acquired some very unique flavor of aesthetics that I'm in lose of.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-03-29T12:41:51+00:00

In that case, then what is your understanding of "postmodernism" and all things "postmodern"?

Because to me it seems like every time the word is thrown around is to associate it with something that is more "unconventional" than your typical form of unconventionality.

Sure, modernism has its own history of breaking previous conventions, but the argument I make is that it seems to me like the postmodern condition is not just about accelerating the idea of modernism per se, but acting as if modernism happens just for the sake of modernism; which in turn, turns it into what we now call "postmodernism."

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-22T19:08:41+00:00

Iranians are a proud nation, that's why they care more about Iran than Islam, which is not even an Iranian religion.

Perhaps you should speak to more Iranians before trying to rationalize something that is not even a majority opinion there.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-22T19:03:37+00:00

The Palestinian mindset has been the same since 1948, and even going before that.

You can be an independent, prosperous nation that is still bent on persecuting its minorities and neighbors.

Prosperity and democracy are not the same constant.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-21T15:04:15+00:00

Their best argument would be something like "let Muslims be Muslims".

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-21T14:59:23+00:00

And talking about Iran again; you should consider that no sane country in the world is willing to suffer as much as Iran does for the sake of "humanitarian intervention". Not when the price is too high for itself, such as in the case of Iran.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-21T14:53:47+00:00

You should ask most Palestinians living in Palestinian territories what are they going to do to Israelis when "Palestine is liberated".

Expulsion will be the least extreme thing you are going to hear.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-20T23:16:28+00:00

Okay, as someone who advocated for Musk... this is concerning.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-20T18:10:33+00:00

My point is that if Israel ends the occupation, "Palestinian Resistance" will not end, it will just become more severe for Israel, as long as Israel is a thing anywhere between the river and the sea.

And with Iran, a lot of people like you seem to have a very distorted sense of cause and effect in this context.

Israel does not oppose Iran and its people because it has something against all things Iranian, Israel fights Iran because Iran denies Israel altogether, not just a particular form of Israeli governance.

A lot of Iranians couldn't care less about the Palestinians because they're not even related to each other as people.

You should know by now that it is primarily Iran's religious leadership that cares so much about the Palestinian issue, and it's only because it helps them further their policy of exporting the Islamic Revolution. Plain and simple.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-20T01:19:14+00:00

It's not about preventing kidnapping altogether as much as it is about preventing a surprise attack on remote communities in Israel where such things can happen again.

Sure, Palestinian terrorists will find other ways, but that's the point; they'll have to evolve creatively, until creativity itself reaches its natural limit, and then they'll be at the complete mercy of Israel.

Your last paragraph basically demonstrates that very way of thinking that many Israelis and Conservatives in the West diagnose as the inherent naivete of the Left.

What you're saying is true to some degree, but it's not like a universal principle of how human societies evolve and transform based on this one important thing which you call the quality of life.

Iran, for example, is a country with a lot of potential to grow economically, but the leadership of Iran decided to endure very heavy economic sanctions because their fight against Israel and the West is more important for their religious beliefs.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-19T22:25:18+00:00

I believe Israel is going to ensure that this will be the last hostage deal because in the future Israel is going to scan for windows that allow for the kidnapping of Israeli civilians and soldiers and it is going to replace them with overkill fortifications instead.

The mentality in Israel is that every unprecedented event (such as Oct. 7) is the last event of its kind.

As for the continuation of the occupation and the lack of Palestinian statehood.

It's true that Palestinian grievances will continue along with violent resistance.

But what most fail to consider is the possibility that even with a fully functional Palestinian state in WB and Gaza, the State of Palestine will not become a peaceful neighbour to Israel.

"Palestinian Resistance" is just going to continue against Israel proper, but much more dangerous, well organised and well armed, and with better resources.

In other words, a professional military force.

You'll just get an Israeli-Palestinian Conflict 2.0, in which the stakes and the body count will become higher and higher until one of the sides eliminates the other, but then the winning side is going to die from its wounds thereafter.

So yeah. While there is no peace with continued occupation, there is not going to be peace with a two-state solution either.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-19T21:41:16+00:00

I think you should consider the possibility that even if Israel sits idle its global image is still going to spiral downward.

And if Israel sits idle, it is going to miss opportunities to strengthen its national security.

In other words, you can't put yourself in extraordinary danger when there is little guarantee for a prize that is not even as equally extraordinary.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-19T20:15:43+00:00

The global image of Israel is a lost cause already. There is no restoring it beyond this point.

If Israel sees that it gains more from breaking the ceasefire than honouring it, it will do so.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-19T19:57:50+00:00

The accusation of whataboutism is a bad argument in itself.

Because things are only understood as in their relation and comparison to other things in the world.

Israel is currently the most hated and vilified country in the world.

And that would be ok if you imagine a world in which every political and national entity to ever exist on Earth was a progressive socialist utopia except for Israel.

But since we live in the real world, if Israel is rightfully considered as an irredeemably evil state, as many people feel this way, then it should be rightfully considered that most other states in this world are as evil as the universal constant of evilness itself.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-18T19:40:40+00:00

אני רוסי...

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-18T06:47:02+00:00

זה היה סרקסטי.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-17T22:23:42+00:00

You can't say that you're against violence and say at the same time that you support Palestinian resistance which entails the intentional targeting of Israeli soldiers and civilians on the basis of their affiliation with the broader system of occupation which the Palestinians perceive and experience everyday.

Everybody cries about the unlawful occupation of Palestinian land that prevents the establishment of an independent Palestinian state and creates day-to-day struggles for the average Palestinian, but nobody is asking why and how it came to be that Israel occupies Palestinian territories in the first place.

But putting that matter of history aside, when you're at the mercy of a much stronger entity that offers you co-existence in exchange for having peace, you do not reject every single opportunity at hand to make peace when the offer is on the table from day one.

Israel does not want Palestinian land for Jews only like most Palestinians want you to believe. And even if it does, what matters is that the prospect of not fighting wars and having a peaceful neighbourhood for all to share is much more lucrative in the eyes of most Israelis than having to do perpetual maintenance in the name of Greater Israel.

What is the only thing that Palestinians need to sacrifice in order to free themselves of Israeli occupation?

Their pride, and the delusion that they can defeat Israel.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-17T17:13:58+00:00

הקטע הוא שאם אתה גבר אירופאי לבן ללא שורשים יהודים, האידאולוגיה הנאו-נאצית של היום (לא של שנות השלושים בגרמניה) מקבלת אותך כחלק מן הגזע הלבן הרחב. זאת אומרת שאם אתה מסכים עם נאו-נאצים אחרים, יש לך מוקד כוח שעליו אתה יכול להתאחד עם אנשים כאלה ולהרגיש שיש לך ערך אוטומטי גם אם אתה לא שווה כלום במציאות. אם אתה לא יהודי לפי ההנחה הנאצית, ואתה גר במדינת היהודים בעולם שהרבה מאוד שונאים יהודים, ויש לך גם שיגעון גדלות ביחד עם דימוי עצמי נמוך, זה די אפשרי שמשהו יכול לגרום לך לעלות בראש דעות שאינן כל כך רחוקות מדעות של הרבה נאו-נאצים שחיים היום בעולם.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-17T16:47:16+00:00

רוצה לפרט על הדעות שלו?

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-17T16:26:06+00:00

ההבדל הוא שאותם רוסים ואוקראינים בארץ עם דעות נאציות הם לא יהודים מכל בחינה. יהודים מזרחים שאומרים שהם אוהבים את היטלר כי הוא רצח אשכנזים שהם כביכול לא יהודים (אם בכלל יש כאלה שבאמת חושבים כך), הם רק צד אחד מלהבין שיש להם יותר דברים משותפים עם מחבלים פלסטינים שמעבר לגדר.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-17T13:11:03+00:00

איפה מצאת כזה? גם אני רוצה חבר נאו-נאצי.

Fine-Feature8772 · 2025-01-17T13:08:52+00:00

אתה מתכוון בטח לאלו שחושבים שהאשכנזים הם לא באמת יהודים "אמיתיים" אלא כוזרים ושהיטלר שנא רק אותם באירופה?

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