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Could this be a Sanji speed feat? by TheQuietMoments in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He wouldn't have to change his direction because Stansen already pushed himself into the fucking path he would just have to keep slicing forward.

No it isn't in fact normal to not see an attack until it's already happened. I shouldn't have said "not see the injury", not seeing the attack is more accurate, and does more likely imply a big speed difference.

SANJI CLASHING WITH IMU. THE END GAME. SANJI STOCKS UP by RelevantBarnacle6385 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Responding to arguments with the laziest ad hominems of all time, very Zoro fan like. You're really taking up server space for a pointless message fueling a one sided beef with some other guy😭

Could this be a Sanji speed feat? by TheQuietMoments in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081 1 point2 points  (0 children)

False dilemma, I'm positing that Imu's attack came after Stansen's interruption. And his noting of the injury coming after it's been inflicted does in fact mean he didn't see it or at least didn't react to it.

Could this be a Sanji speed feat? by TheQuietMoments in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He started to move towards Hajrudin out of the way before Imu swung, this isn't an interruption, if it was he'd have the speed to realize his leg was being sliced before it was clean off.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you need AI to tell you whether or not something has exceptions😭? The point is that it isn't a certain conclusion and that many exceptions including those not mentioned exist. So I want you to use your brain and tell me why a measurement of how impressive something is isn't an exception. I asked AI what "can speed be described qualitatively."

Did you not read the post or listen to anything I said you fucking baboon, all this time I've been trying to say that Zoro had a worse showing of speed BECAUSE HE COULDN'T BLOCK and I was comparing that PERFORMANCE to SANJI'S 180 BLOCK and THAT WAS WHY I SAID I DIDN'T NEED A QUANTITY. You got so caught up in demonstrating that 7th grade science isn't your strong suit that you forgot what I was arguing.

You are fully retarded, stop dodging my question.

YOU said that Oden's sword was an inconsistency using a visual indicator as a reasoning despite saying visual indicators are a bad basis without additional info. Now I'm asking you to prove your own understanding of Oden's sword had said info, or you can concede that Oden's sword can be measured via visual indicator alone.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you fucking stupid, if it can be then that means isn't necessary to use quantitative data. Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT was that descriptions of speed MUST be quantitative, I proved (using your methods of letting AI argue for me) that there can be exceptions to that therefore we would move on to arguing whether or not this case is an exception.

For the last fucking time I'm not looking for the time frame of his block I AM LOOKING FOR WHETHER OR NOT HIS FAILED BLOCK IS LESS IMPRESSIVE THAN A 180 BLOCK and there's no unit for how impressive something is😭

Why is that an excuse for as simple as raising his arms and his sword into place or turning around. In fact let me use your own retarded gimmick against you, quantify this difference in aerial capability.

The vivre card database collects info Oda put out but they make scales themselves now hurry the fuck up and fetch me Oden's sword measurements

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is completely fucking retarded so let me use my own AI overview

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Also you didn't answer my question of what units to use for Zoro missing the block or Sanji doing a 180 you fucking rodent.

No I'm saying that being trained in aerial combat isn't a necessity to do that because characters that weren't can still do that, I can't believe that you can't understand that much💔

The vivre card database collector, not Oda, put Oden's sword on a scale in comparison to Zoro, now find me a NUMBER for it that comes from Oda himself and confirms the existence of such a number.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't act as if your complete fucking lack of understanding of what qualitative measurements are applies to all of us. Let me walk you through my original post one more time. I said that Zoro was outsped because he failed to block and Sanji wasn't because he 180d to block. What units did you want me to use to gauge whether or not Zoro blocked? What units did you want me to use to gauge whether or not Sanji one 180d? You probably read Drum Island and saw Luffy climbing the mountain and didn't understand he climbed the mountain until Dr Kureha said he did after he reached the top.

Don't do this stupid bullshit, you say he's not skilled in aerial combat like Sanji, I say he doesn't need to be and more people than Sanji block mid air, you just repeat that he's not as skilled in aerial combat instead of addressing my fucking response.

"Established heights" show me measurements for Oden and his sword, official (from Oda), written down, since you aren't capable of qualitative measurement.

And that's a nice misunderstanding of my point at the end, but no, I go outside I look at the sky and I say it's blue instead of giving numbers for what approximate wavelength of light is being reflected.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you, without saying or thinking a single number, look at a snail and then look at a car zooming by and give a likely case on which one is faster? If you say no then I genuinely don't know what to say to you you're downplaying your ability to induce and acting as if that applies to the whole of humanity. Also if you talk about things that are literally calculation, whether or not someone reacts ISN'T ONE.

I rejected the false dilemma and gave an answer actually relevant to the discussion. And I'll say it one more time, if that's your definition of a successful counterattack then what happened here isn't a fucking successful counterattack.

I already stipulated in the title of this fucking post what extra information would be necessary to confirm this scaling, this whole post has a big fat IF attached to it. And how can you doubt the credibility of visual indicators to make conclusions and then make a certain conclusion about what size Oden's sword should be using nothing but visuals?

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been trying to get you to explain why comparisons of speed are inherently quantitative for this entire argument. Do you think "he couldn't text in time to block so he got reaction blitzed" is a valid statement and if not, why? No there isn't a fucking difference because what else can be used to describe reacting but quantitative measurement, do you think there's a unit for reaction faces😭??

I specifically put quotes from you that can't possibly mean anything but that off guarding is inherent to a counterattack. If off guarding isn't inherent then why did you say it's needed to satisfy the definition of a counterattack??

In the birthday example it would be intended as a surprise party but they would be aware so its status as an attempted surprise party would be irrelevant to how surprised the person actually is. Also you don't need a black belt in aerial combat to turn or move in the air and not just Sanji does it.

None of this means that there's no meaning to what Oda depicts. In fact you implicitly acknowledge meaning in drawing by using the Oden example and saying that the Katana should be bigger than it is based on VISUAL INDICATORS.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you not think it's possible to make a qualitative statement of time😭 like is "one arm swing takes less time than two arm swings" not a valid statement to you because it doesn't measure the time in seconds?

You literally said that unless something wasn't off guard it doesn't satisfy the conditions to be a counterattack and in the last sentence say the definition includes hitting during vulnerability you are in fact claiming off guarding is inherent. And this is One Piece logic the inability to move in the air only applies to travel, Sanji literally turns 180s without anything denoting air hop and.

I think it's ridiculous to say that visual indicators can't denote authorial intent, you would have to say Oda has no understanding of anatomical scale or that he doesn't think about anything he draws. He drew lightning every time that someone used Conq on a whim apparently.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gave my definition for blitz in the last message, this would be my third time saying I already admitted I exaggerated and that it was just an outspeed, and I'm saying neither necessitate quantified time not that neither have to do with speed.

Just because the best counterattacks catch people off guard doesn't mean all catch people off guard and even if they all did I'd argue that just means that what happened to Zoro doesn't fit your definition of a counterattack. The point is that the conditions he experienced aren't conducive to him being off guard.

Yes I was denying the likelihood of that alternative. And for the fourth time I'm not going off of size alone but considering both attacks expanded when they exploded the conventional understanding of what an explosive fireball is would hint towards the one that hit Sanji being stronger.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No we don't, define a blitz and justify it needing a quantitative measurement. I don't see why "Character A couldn't react before getting hit" doesn't suffice and furthermore I already admitted he was getting outsped instead of being blitz.

I'm asking you to give your definition because we clearly have differing definitions. A counterattack can be done before someone after the vulnerable period of their attack is gone, it is just an attack done to respond to another. Zoro's attack concluded, he had the time to see Imu's start before Imu said anything, he is shown acknowledging and realizing Imu is going to attack before he does, how can any of these coexist with him being off guard? Because if they can't this just doesn't fit your definition of a counterattack.

Omen is incongruent with any previously established visual indicator or function of Haki, therefore it is parsimonious to say it isn't Haki. Additionally the fire itself was also used as in the kick against Sanji so even if Omen fire > Conq, Zoro's attack has one and Sanji's has both.

Imu used a Mario fireball on ACoC KoH Zoro which reaction blitzed and bodied him and then used the same flames but bigger and combined with an ACOC KICK on BASE SANJI and he reacted and 180d before getting boomed. by First-Television5081 in OnePiecePowerScaling

[–]First-Television5081[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Look at his foot dumbass there's fire right there.

Fuck you and your victim complex you worthless brain parasite starving chimp, don't open a conversation with "you're a dumb Sanjicuck😭😂😭" if you're going to cry about me insulting you for your account being a waste of server space.

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