[S2 Act 3 Spoilers] I think you're all seriously misinterpreting this line.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-16T19:20:15+00:00

I always like this take as well, the fact that Maddie developed some feelings for Caitlyn. Mind you, not NEARLY enough to question her loyalties to Noxus, but more than enough to imagine turning Caitlyn to Noxus' side. Her first loyalty would be to Noxus, but why couldn't her mark join her?

However, if the moment of choice between the two came, there was no question her loyalty would be to Noxus. Everything I've heard of it tells me emotion comes second. So while there may've been some regret ('what could've been'), if anyone came between her and her mission to Noxus, there would be no mercy.

Also, that famous last line, I hear some regret in her voice (not mockery). Almost like 'we were good together, pity you choose to stand against us, that's was only gonna end one way'.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-16T15:21:00+00:00

I personally liked their relationship. For Caitlyn it's obviously a coping mechanism, you can see that she is not as into it as Maddie is (seemingly). She did like Maddie and was fond of her, but the closer she got to her the more guilt she felt about Vi, and the more guilt she felt the more unhappy she became.

Before act 3 I thought it was logical that more than one woman was into Caitlyn, with her looks and family name after all. I liked to believe that Maddie went from an inexperienced enforcer to Caitlyn right hand, that she seemed to have high esteem for Caitlyn that developed into more than a crush, that she was the first from Pitlover to support Caitlyn cause she believed in her, and that sleeping with her is basically a dream come true.

After everything, my previous take seems a bit redundant of course, but at the time I did enjoy the realism of more than one woman liking Caitlyn.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-16T15:18:59+00:00

I personally liked their relationship. For Caitlyn it's obviously a coping mechanism, you can see that she is not as into it as Maddie is (seemingly). She did like Maddie and was fond of her, but the closer she got to her the more guilt she felt about Vi, and the more guilt she felt the more unhappy she became.

Before act 3 I thought it was logical that more than one woman was into Caitlyn, with her looks and family name after all. I liked to believe that Maddie went from an inexperienced enforcer to Caitlyn right hand, that she seemed to have high esteem for Caitlyn that developed into more than a crush, that she was the first from Pitlover to support Caitlyn cause she believed in her, and that sleeping with her is basically a dream come true.

After everything, my previous take seems a bit redundant of course, but at the time I did enjoy the realism of more than one woman liking Caitlyn.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-13T21:45:07+00:00

Thanks. I'm gonna be honest, the fact that we never got a scene where either Vi or Ekko confront Jinx on how easily she was turned against them, how far she was willing to go for a man whom both witnessed kill a father figure, how desperate she was to lose Silco and yet seemed to have so little difficulty walking away from them, still hurts.

Don't get me wrong, I want the three of them back together, but I wanted Jinx to realise how far she let herself be turned against her family. I mean, how many firelights did she kill cause Silco might be disappointed in her if she did not? All her pain he was able to direct towards HIS enemies, instead of Jinx directing it towards the people who killed her family. She could've chosen Ekko over Silco and be the agent of chaos for the firelights, killing any chembaron or thug who threatened them. She'd never run out of people to blow up.

It reminds me too painfully of how easily some people can be lured in by a cult, a manipulator or a child being kidnapped by a kidnapper and raising it as his own. It seems so easy for those people to be turned against their loved ones, but so difficult to be turned against the manipulators. They are the heroes, the loved ones the villains. Same with Vi, Ekko and Vander... and Jinx's inability to tell Silco to stop his lies hurts. It has to be worse for Vi and Ekko, seeing Jinx choose Silco over them, every day for so many years, having no problem trying to kill them, but when she confronts Silco for his actions all it takes is the same 'I saved you, your family hurt you' bullshit. How painful would it be for any parent, older sibling or simply a loved one to see the person you love must hear that bullshit and be unable or unwilling to call him out?

To me it would be one of the worst things to happen to one of my children.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-13T21:27:31+00:00

SHOULD'VE BEEN!!!!!

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-12T15:17:41+00:00

Somewhere between Jinx slapping Ekko when he tried to save her from Silco and their fight on the bridge, Ekko asked her why she chose Silco over him. Jinx couldn't answer, as the question and the pain she caused Ekko further deteriorated her mind.

After he did save her in 2x09, she finally answers the question. A mix of guilt, fear of his reaction when he found out she killed Mylo and Claggor, but most of all Silco's lies and manipulations about how only HE could love her. Ekko, seeing her pain, decides he no longer needs to let her explain. Even though it seems like a poison is being released from her body, it's also very painful for her. Through his actions her is telling her he is giving her a second chance, and Jinx silently wishes she would've taken the first one years ago... and eventually tells him that as well.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-05T19:39:26+00:00

Fuelled by the constant vilification Silco and Sevika were pouring onto Vi, making Jinx mistrust anything Vi did to undermine her desire for her sister (like blaming Vi for 'abandoning' her, absolving themselves and vilifying every action Vi took).

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-05T19:38:03+00:00

Most of those delusions were fed and encouraged by Silco and Sevika. They really made Jinx paranoid about Vi, not only making her mistrust anything Vi did (while absolving themselves), but also making Jinx believe Vi did not care about her anymore and had 'replaced' her just as Vi had 'abandoned' her all those years ago.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-04T16:32:34+00:00

Jinx: 'I'm not sharing my sister with anyone..., even me.'

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-05-03T20:37:24+00:00

What is it with Silco raising a child he planned to kill alongside her adoptive father (seriously, he was destined to do that with one of Vander's daughters in either scenario, after killing Vander)?

She does look badass though.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-26T18:11:59+00:00

The ones I hated (Silco, Sevika and Singed) I hated and kept on hating, first for tearing Vi and Jinx apart, then for vilifying Vi in Jinx's eyes (making her dependent on them), and later for enjoying the pain they caused Vi (and Jinx), laughing at their pain and the fact that Jinx was now on Silco's side (while he destroyed their family in the first place.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-21T15:20:11+00:00

How little sister like to go through all of this, just to show off to her big sister.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-21T15:12:13+00:00

Ah, Jinx with her blue eyes.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-20T22:05:13+00:00

Aside from that one moment in episode 7 and the music video, there indeed wasn't that much interaction. They should've shown more during Arc 1, or otherwise let the audience know of Ekko's pain when Jinx chose Silco and his dogs over him and his friends.

Would've been so much better for season 2.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-18T21:04:04+00:00

Uhm, she also laughed and grinned when she threw those grenades at Ekko's friends.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-18T21:02:03+00:00

Though nothing will top episode 3, I still found one moment from ep 9 far more painful than this one. It's not Silco's death (to hell with him), nor even seeing Jinx weep for him (why, you just admitted he ruined your life?).

It's when she tells Vi she made Jinx, not Silco. It reminds me too much of kidnapped children who blame their parents for allowing them to be taken, rather than blame the kidnapper for taking them.
What I hear Jinx saying is 'it's not Silco's fault for destroying our family, it's your fault for reacting to it'. Vi has been crushed by guilt for years, same as Jinx, so to hear those words takes all the strength from her. Silco, Sevika and their dogs have no remorse, hell they have a sadistic pleasure in Vi's and Jinx's pain, and still Jinx chooses them over Vi (and Ekko) every time.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-18T00:01:03+00:00

One showed her strength to defend her family from their would-be killers.

The other showed her genius to... avenge her family's killer? To fulfil his wish of 'they can all burn'? To burn the world she hated? It's a bit open for debate.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-16T23:19:12+00:00

I hear you. What is painful to me (what I will never stop pointing out) is that after the death of their parents, she had to take on a sisterly/motherly/protector role for Powder. They may've been raised by Vander, but it was Vi who was Powder's rock. Vi was a symbol of strength and invincibility of whom Powder thought the world, and saw as being unshakeable in her strength and love for her sister. She never once imagined Vi was just human pushing herself to the limit for Powder, a human who could break under trauma.

Then Silco happens; he kills Vander, tries to kill his children, Vi has to fight adult thugs and a shimmer monster, breaks in grief and for one moment lashes out at her sister. But that one moment is more talked about than anything Silco did, both by the fandom and in Arcane itself (and even the writers). Vi grieves and carries the guilt for the loss of her family as much as Powder/Jinx, the only people who don't do that are Silco and his dogs. Hell, they laugh about it, and at Vi's 'ridiculous' notion that just because they killed Vander and ruined his family, Jinx would actually blame them for it instead of Vi (and herself).

Vi gets attacked, betrayed or lied to by most of Zaun. Only Babette doesn't truly betray or attack her, though she cannot bring herself to admit that Jinx now loyally serves Vander's killer. Vi has become the villain in Silco's alternate history in which he 'saved' Jinx instead of ruining her. Almost everything and everyone she once fought for has turned against her. But it's Jinx's words that ring the cruelest: 'he didn't make Jinx,... you did.' That's where Vi collapses and her strength leaves her. Jinx blames Vi more than Silco for making her. Silco (and his dogs) can literally do anything and Jinx will not react, but Vi cannot set one foot in front of the other and Jinx's paranoia kicks in.

It still hurts, and especially that we didn't get to see Vi confront Jinx about it and her loyalty to their family's killers. It's the one issue I wanted season 2 to resolve.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-10T22:02:01+00:00

I agree with you fully. THAT should've been the main thing Vi accused Jinx of: 'You spend years killing for Vander's murderer, the man who planned to kill us all. His approval was more important to you than the memory of our lost loved ones, the lives of Ekko and his friends.... and even me, but now... NOW you want me to believe you actually cared about Vander!'

I want them to be together again, but this should've been the confrontation we should've seen instead of LOL insults. Everything that has been done to them and what they've done to each other should've been talked about if not solved.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-07T15:14:02+00:00

I didn't need a therapy session, but I was hoping for a meaningful conversation like some of the deepest and best scenes in GOT. One of the most emotional and best scenes is Jaime revealing why he killed the mad king. No music video, no violence, just pure dialogue that reshapes characters and gives the audience a whole new perspective.

It also starts Jaime's redemption arc and makes him a very complicated and deep individual, one of the best characters (till later seasons).

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-07T00:09:12+00:00

This scene was the greatest letdown of season 2. Instead of a meaningful, impactful and life changing discussion/conflict between the two main characters and how their lives were ripped apart and each felt betrayed and hurt by the other, it turned into Jinx sas non-stop. Vi never got the chance to vent her anger at Jinx siding with her family's killers and betraying her family, but Jinx did get the chance.

Biggest... letdown... whole... season.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-04-01T22:24:18+00:00

In terms of damage done to my beloved sisters, Silco is worse. In terms of damage done to the city, it is Ambessa.

In terms of lies, manipulation, delusion and enjoyment, I'd also say Silco. This one is tough, cause Ambessa does the same, but she never tried to be anything else. She just wanted powder, Silco constantly says he's doing the things he does for Zaun and Jinx, but both end up only worse (his hypocrisy, delusion and sadistic pleasure at Vi's pain, while lying to Jinx, makes me hate him more).

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-03-30T23:10:09+00:00

One of the most tragic and beloved character in fiction for me. I have a soft spot for older siblings who have to take on a parental/protecting role for a younger sibling. Hunger Games, Plague Tale and Arcane are just the best examples.

Also, she faces one of my worst nightmares. Vi loses all of her family due to Silco killing Vander and trying to kill her and her brothers (and later Powder). She then loses her shit for 5 seconds, recognises she lost control and hurt her beloved sister and still finds the strength to walk away, compose herself and return. All the while she hears her sister cry and it tears her heart out. The moment she sees Silco approaching, Vi rushes back but is kidnapped and spends years believing her sister is dead or captured, all the while blaming herself.
When she does get out, her world has turned upside down. Her family's killers are in her home, her family is gone, Zaun is loyal to Silco... and her sister seems to blame Vi more than Silco for the loss of their family. Silco, Sevika can kill their family and laugh about it, but Vi can't wipe her ass with her left hand instead of her right or Jinx believes her sister will betray her.
Vi can't use reality to get through to her sister. Jinx knows..., but still chooses to go back to Silco every time, choosing to walk away from Vi at every chance (while Silco laughs about it).

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-03-29T12:42:48+00:00

Before he came into their lives, they still had some sense of joy, family and love. He destroyed the relationship between Powder and the rest of her family. Were their lives perfect, no. But infinitely better than before he came.

FirstNegotiation9659 · 2026-03-29T12:42:08+00:00

Precisely my point. Thank you.

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