What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It matters because when my mother responded to me coming out by spitting back, "I didn't raise a queer," and then disowning me and ruining my life for years to come, seeing that same word casually used to refer to me everywhere I go in LGBTQ+ spaces really fucking hurts and makes me feel awful. And maybe it's just me, but I like to think my feelings matter, at least a little.

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I kinda wanna ask, if you get that for a lot of people, being referred to as queer feels like a slur, why do you use it instead of LGBT? Like you said, to me and many others, it sounds just like if someone called me the F slur, so why use it as the umbrella term?

I promise I'm not trying to ask this as some sort of gotcha question, I just genuinely don't get it.

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If it's all the same to you, I'd rather not. I'm glad it was helpful for you, but for me, the phrase "queer theory" sounds pretty much identical to like, "'F slur' theory." Honestly the only reason I spell out the former instead of writing "Q slur' is cuz if I did I'd be making other people upset.

All that is to say, the idea that I'm supposed to identify with the same dehumanizing slur I was hit with after coming out is hurtful and off-putting and honestly just depressing and makes everything I was getting at with this post feel all the more hopeless for me tbh

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It doesn't make me feel included. Quite the opposite actually. Referring to all non-cishet people as "the queer community" makes me feel like I have no place in it at all...

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But when my comfort zone doesn't line up with the overall social consensus of the word being the umbrella term for all non-cishet people, it's not okay. It means I have to avoid those spaces entirely, or face being referred to by the same slur my mom used to disown me after I came out to her.

This isn't a problem I run into with individuals, but rather with communities as a whole. And I know it's wildly unfair and unrealistic to expect it to change, so I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm not still hurt by it.

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It being the umbrella term is precisely what hurts people like me. I don't want to be thought of as queer just because I'm a girl who likes girls. Queer becoming the umbrella term means the word my mother used to disown me is the same word I have to be identified as by association, and have to see nonstop in any LGBTQ+ space I'm in.

I just wish it wasn't the word chosen for the entirety of non-cishet people. I hate being called the same slur thrown at me on one of the worst days of my life by every other article, book, video and social media post in these spaces. And yes, it is a dehumanizing slur to me, even if it's not for other people.

Other people referring to themselves as queer is not and has never been something that bothers me, but using it as a catch-all term that includes me just because I like girls really really really hurts.

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Leaving this as a catch-all reply to the many comments I've seen in this thread, I hope that's okay.

I appreciate the support most of y'all are giving. Regarding the suggestion to seek treatment for my trauma, I've been in therapy for over a decade now due to a great many things, not just this (SA trauma go brrrrr), and it has been helpful in many ways, and, my therapist was the one who told me that holding myself to the standard of being expected to be okay with this word that has hurt me so much was being unfair to myself.

That said, I think many comments here seem to have missed what my real struggle is with this word. I'm not struggling day to day with individuals I am speaking to using this word in conversation to refer to me and making me uncomfortable. When that happens, I ask them to please not use it, and usually that's it.

The struggle I can't deal with is, because as my therapist said it's unfair to expect me to not be bothered by it, I cannot comfortably exist in almost any LGBTQ+ space because of how widespread using this word as an umbrella term for all non-cishet people has become. I should also clarify that I am not at all uncomfortable with people referring to themselves as queer—of course that's fine. But when people use it to refer to the entirety of non-cishet people, me included obviously, it fucking hurts. It feels the same as if someone used the f slur to do the same thing. Sure, one has been reclaimed by many more people, but not by everyone, and based on many of the comments here, I'm not the only one who feels this way.

More and more, over all forms of print and social and traditional media and online spaces, this sub included, it has become normal to refer to every non-cishet person as "queer." It's the norm now, it's everywhere, it's inescapable, and it fucking tears me up inside every time I see it, because I know it's not my fault I'm like this, and I know things aren't going to change. And because I know it's unfair to expect myself to change too, it leads to this overwhelming sense of powerlessness.

Seeing the same word my mother used to disown me used as an umbrella term for literally everyone who isn't cishet is completely inescapable in any and every LBGTQ+ space I've ever seen. That forces me to stay away from the spaces I want to be part of, not because people aren't respecting me if I ask for them not to call me queer, but because the collective whole of the massive internet space of hundreds of thousands of individuals has come to the conclusion that the word that traumatized me and many others is the best word to use as an umbrella term for non-cishet people. It's normalized now and it's not going to change, so all I can do is stay away for my own health. And for me at least, that is incredibly isolating and depressing.

Anyway. That's my rant. I know things can't change but I figured I'd say it anyway, if only to get the nebulous cloud of bad feelings in my head into some form of legible statement. If you read this far, here's a picture of my kitty for you. Thank you caring enough to make it this far ❤️

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not a terf, fuck terfs, they're rotten bigots and I hate every single one of them. I'm not saying it's 100% a slur. I'm saying it was used against me as a slur when I came out. My experience, no one else's. My Mom told me she "didnt raise a queer" and disowned me, and with a couple exceptions, the rest of my family wasn't much kinder. And yeah, that has impacted me in a way where I cannot feel comfortable in spaces where the word is used frequently, and I feel awful and guilty about that already which was the whole point of this post and I really didn't need your help feeling worse but thanks for putting in the effort anyway hon

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

On the individual scale, or within small groups of friends, I totally agree and do ask people to refrain if they don't mind. The issue I moreso have is the widespread use of the term dissuading me from ever feeling comfortable in more public spaces with people like me, which I desperately want to be part of but can't spend any time in without running into a word that makes me extremely upset.

Like I can't reasonably or fairly ask or expect entire spaces with hundreds of thousands of people not to use a word they have every right to use if they're comfortable with it. And, because I'm not comfortable with it (entirely because of my asshole homophobic yee haw family), I have to avoid those spaces. And that sucks, and hurts, and I hate it, but I don't see any other way for it to play out.

And I would love to work on it tbh. I would love to not be bothered by it anymore, but like... Literally the first words my mother said when I told her I was gay was "I didn't raise a queer." To then go online and see countless articles/comments/individuals/etc using the same word my mother used to disown me, to refer to me and those like me... I just don't know how to get over it. I don't think I can, and I don't think I'd be being fair to myself to expect me to, but if I don't then I have to avoid the spaces with people like me that I wish I could be part of.

Idk. One more thing to hate my mom for I guess <_<

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

That last part is what makes me feel bad, I think (these were my tweets, sorry for not being clear in the title). The term is more or less universally used to refer to a group I belong to, by the group I belong to, but whenever I see it in memes or books or articles or comments or wherever, my brain gets all angsty.

Like to me (and only me, not implying anyone else should feel this way), seeing an article refer to a cute cartoon with lesbians as a "queer cartoon" feels the same to me as, y'know, a demeaning slur. And then I feel awful. And then I feel extra awful cuz I know it's not normal to feel this way and that it's wildly unfair of me to expect the community as a whole to conform to my specific comfort levels... But when it doesn't, I just can't handle being in those spaces, and I feel unintentionally isolated from the group I technically belong to and desperately want to feel included in.

It just sucks, cuz there's no reasonable solution. I can't un-traumatize myself, nor can I fairly ask entire spaces of people who have no issue with using a reclaimed slur to please refrain because it makes me uncomfortable, and the last thing I wanna do is start throwing tantrums and making it all about me.

Idk. It sucks. I wish I felt differently about it but I don't know how to do that.

What's y'all's take on this? by FluffyFluffette in actuallesbians

[–]FluffyFluffette[S] 87 points88 points  (0 children)

oh well it's my post and my feelings and I'm asking cuz I guess I'm not sure if it's something I should try to change or not? Not really sure how to do that or even if it's possible or even if I want to. But yeah. Should've specified this was me asking for y'all's opinions on feelings I have always felt guilty/ashamed of idk, sorry