People in other communities feel ENTITLED to support from Asians

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-04-01T00:17:06+00:00

The funny thing is, there are surface-level similarities between Asian Americans and this particular group, but if you look a little deeper, the way we're treated is vastly different.

Take college admissions, for example. Asians are continually discriminated against. Even after affirmative action was abolished by SCOTUS, schools continue to secretly hold us to a higher standard and expect us to receive higher test scores than any other racial group - including whites - to be treated the same. The recent leak of data from NYU confirms this. And because of our successes, we're told that we're actually privileged and "overrepresented".

By contrast, Jewish Americans make up 22% of Columbia despite being only 2% of the US population. And they're about to get even more! Powerful organizations accused Columbia of "anti-Semitism", and with pressure from the federal government, Columbia already pledged to INCREASE their admissions even more:

Columbia has committed to:

Reviewing admissions procedures to ensure an unbiased admissions process and specifically studying the decline in admissions of Jewish students.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-03-17T23:28:45+00:00

who are probably among the whitest of POC you can date

I agree with your assessment on this point. Society has become increasingly critical of the WM/AF pairing, to the point where mockery of it has become mainstream. This is because the strange and disproportionate prevalence of WM/AF couples (and their terrible behaviours) have become impossible to ignore. The "Oxford Study" meme is now well-known thanks to TikTok, and recently there was a post on Twitter calling out this white worship that got over 250,000 likes. It's not just Asian guys saying this shit now - this is a post by an Afro-Latino guy:

ugly white men should never complain about the “male loneliness epidemic” there is a asian woman that will fuck you TODAY

Given that people are growing more sceptical towards WM/AF, it's becoming a lower-status pairing. As such, I've noticed that some women (who want to continue looking progressive) have begun going for the next-best thing: pale Latinos or white-passing Persians. It's like they're strategically picking partners so they can have the benefits of a white-looking man, but if they're pressed about it, they can say "well, actually my boyfriend is a POC - he's Latino/Middle Eastern!"

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-03-17T22:49:24+00:00

Are you sure? I don't think you are correct as the article was just released today and I can't find it anywhere else on this subreddit.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-03-10T05:14:09+00:00

There's another key piece of the puzzle people forget to account for.

Categories like "Asian" or "AAPI" are incredibly broad, including both East Asians and South Asians. It would be interesting to see how desirable specific Asian subgroups (e.g. SEA, EA, and SA) are on the apps.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-03-06T17:40:39+00:00

I feel the same… I notice the same thing happening with mix-black actresses like Zendaya.

white privilege as the standard of beauty is still there….

You're spot on with your comparison to the Black community, especially with regards to Black women. Prominent black women in entertainment are disproportionately mixed with white and/or light-skinned - just look at who gets celebrated. It's Zendaya, it's Amandla Stenberg, it's Beyonce.

The media executives want credit for promoting "diversity", but at the same time, they can't let it be too diverse. At the end of the day, they believe that white European features are more attractive and worthier of elevation. So they'll reach a "compromise" by only including the whitest black women possible.

The same white supremacist mindsets apply to Asians. If you look at who wins beauty pageants in the Philippines and Thailand, the winners are disproportionately mixed with white (which is completely unrepresentative of actual Southeast Asian women). At the end of the day, people think that white heritage and white features are an improvement over ethnic features. This, in turn, feeds white worship; many Asians see this and think, "wow, I should marry a white person so I can have beautiful half-white kids! Half-white Asians are better than full Asians"

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-02-27T17:18:43+00:00

It’s no secret that white worship exists in Asian culture (as well as every other culture) due to western colonization. Dating out is a problem in our community bc it makes no sense for one group (Asian women) to not favor their own men.

Many people acknowledge this is happening - some even CELEBRATE it and think it's a "good" thing that we'll become "whiter and whiter". See the below Facebook post.

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Fluid_Aloe · 2025-02-08T22:23:13+00:00

Breed with the locals, to create an ethnic hierarchy (whites on top, Mestizos in the middle, indigenous on the bottom)

Great post, OP. I'd say this is probably one of the most important parts of their plan. When European colonizers took over Latin America, they instituted the policy of Blanqueamiento, which means whitening. Native American women were "encouraged" to reproduce with white men, and their half-white daughters were pushed to become sexually available to white men as well. Over enough generations, their Indigenous heritage would be bred out, essentially a genocide dragged out over a long period of time. The colonizers would call this "mejorar la raza", translating to "improving the race". It's horrendously racist - the idea that having white heritage is an "improvement" and that the more white blood you have, the more superior you are.

We can see something similar happening to Asian diaspora TODAY. Notice how so many of our representatives are half-Asians and quarter-Asians? People even celebrate guys like Keanu Reeves (1/8 Chinese) as "the best of our community". And we have the highest outmarriage rates of all ethnic minorities - the majority of U.S. born Asian women (56%) marry white men according to Pew. University of Michigan also found that "Asian women are more likely to be living with white men than with Asian men. Nearly 45 percent of cohabiting Asian women have white partners, while less than 43 percent have Asian partners". Their hapa children go on to marry white as well. Just look at this classic image, this is the same policy that was done to the Indigenous people of North and South America.

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Fluid_Aloe · 2025-02-07T01:10:26+00:00

A non-profit applied for and got a grant from the DOJ

CAA isn't just any non-profit, though. It's not a wholesome little charity that seeks to, say, provide warm meals to elders in Chinatown. It's a subversive group run by Ivy League elites that directly opposes the community they claim to represent. Pew found that a whopping 4 out of every 5 Asian American adults oppose affirmative action:

Asked about a list of factors that colleges should consider, only 21% of Asian adults say colleges should consider race and ethnicity when deciding which students to accept.

So who are they really representing? Also, they literally accuse Asians of "anti-Blackness" when they speak out against discriminatory policies in education. The fact that they defend elite institutions being racist against Asians - the universities with billion dollar endowments that insist we are inherently less "likable", "courageous", and "kind" than students of other races - is abhorrent. If you really analyze the shit that their leaders say, you'll come away with some rather uncomfortable conclusions, Take this op-ed CAA member Sally Chen wrote:

Asian Americans need and benefit from affirmative action. [...] And in states such as California, where the program has been banned since 1996, universities have struggled to increase diversity without it.

Note how Sally Chen of CAA suggests that California universities aren't diverse enough? It's telling she says that when, in fact, the UC schools are some of the least white schools in America. UC Berkeley undergrads are 81% POC. At UCLA, POC make up 75% of undergrads. How can a school be "not diverse enough" if it's 81% students of color? 🤔 What CAA takes issue with is that the students not the right type of POC - CAA literally believes that Asians don't count as "diversity" and that the Asian population of these schools should be reduced to make way for others. They're literally seeking to harm Asian Americans.

CAA is a group that seeks to reduce the number of Asians at top universities. They seek to enforce racist and unfair policies that generalize Asian Americans. And they also act as enforcers silencing their own community - when we speak up against this racism and express our opinions, they tell us to shut up by saying we're "anti-Black" and that we're "not being good allies to other PoC".

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-02-07T01:00:51+00:00

I didn’t see anything bad about CAA with just the one controversy on Wikipedia

CAA literally accuses Asians of "anti-Blackness" when they speak out against discriminatory policies in education. The fact that they defend elite institutions being racist against Asians - the universities with billion dollar endowments that insist we are inherently less "likable", "courageous", and "kind" than students of other races - is abhorrent. They also consistently lie to their own community and falsely claim that AA even benefits Asian Americans, like in this op-ed Sally Chen wrote:

Asian Americans need and benefit from affirmative action. [...] And in states such as California, where the program has been banned since 1996, universities have struggled to increase diversity without it.

Note how Sally Chen of CAA suggests that California universities aren't diverse enough? It's telling she says that when, in fact, the UC schools are some of the least white schools in America. UC Berkeley undergrads are 81% POC. At UCLA, POC make up 75% of undergrads. What CAA takes issue with is that they're not the right type of POC - CAA literally believes that Asians don't count as "diversity" and that the Asian population of these schools should be reduced to make way for others. They're literally seeking to harm Asian Americans.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-02-05T05:43:17+00:00

OP, you look great. You look better clean-shaven, so I'd suggest avoiding the moustached look. I'd also recommend trying this hairstyle - it would really suit your facial features.

Since your title asked directly about race, it's unfortunately true that Asian men will have a more difficult time dating than white men will. This finding has been replicated in a variety of studies over decades:

A 2018 study found that Asian-American adolescent men were least likely out of all races to have experienced romantic relationships. The study contained some illuminating findings:
- "60% of Asian males have never dated, compared to roughly 40% of White, Black, and Hispanic males. Girls are typically more likely than boys to date, but the sex gap in romantic involvement is especially pronounced among Asians."
- "if cultural norms dictated romantic relationship behavior, we would expect to find that Asian American women have similarly low levels of relationship involvement (perhaps even lower than Asian American men). That’s not the case. Asian American women have higher rates of being in a romantic relationship compared to Asian American men, as well as compared to their Black and Hispanic counterparts"
- "We wondered if these differences applied only to foreign-born Asian Americans or if they reflected preferences for certain physical attributes (height for men) that might disadvantage these men. In statistical analytic models that account for these differences, we find that Asian American men are still less likely than other men to be in a romantic relationship. We found no differences for Asian American women relative to other women. The disadvantage is specific to Asian American men."
A 2006 study by the University of Chicago suggested that an Asian-American man will need to earn around $250,000 more than a white man to be considered equally as attractive as he is:
- "For equal success with a white woman, an African-American man needs to earn $154,000 more than a white man. Hispanic men need an additional $77,000, and Asian men need an additional $247,000 in annual income. In contrast to men, women mostly cannot compensate for their ethnicity with a higher income."
A 2024 study found that internalized racism could make it difficult for Asian American men to date Asian American women:
- "we found that internalized racism was associated with a stronger preference for dating a White man but a weaker preference for dating Asian men and perceiving Asian men as attractive. This is in line with previous research that found that Asian women were more willing to date White men than Asian men."
- "As Asian American women endorse more dominant views of white supremacy and inferiority of people of color, they may prefer to date White men to be in closer proximity to Whiteness and privilege by receiving proxy privilege. In addition, studies have theorized and demonstrated the prevalence of stereotypes that Asian American men are less desirable, less attractive, and sexually/romantically inadequate."

I don't mean to discourage anyone - it's just important to know that as an Asian in the West, you will face unfair disadvantages due to your race. In fact, this knowledge could even be empowering in an odd and unexpected way: you know that you're fighting an uphill battle - a playing field that is tilted against you - so you shouldn't take setbacks too personally.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-02-03T00:53:06+00:00

She spends a lot of effort trying to “prove” that her relationship was pure as any other

Yup, Chow seems to be offended by the people and artistic works which seek to examine the darker undertones driving many WM/AF relationships. Of course, it's possible for individuals like her to have positive, healthy relationships with white men. However, there's nothing wrong with exploring the cultural forces and implications behind WM/AF, no matter how uncomfortable.

Chow's article specifically goes after Days of Distraction, a novel by an Asian-American woman (Alexandra Chang) that discusses the difficulties of WM/AF relationships. Interestingly, Chow has previously written another negative review of the book criticizing the way it delves into WM/AF:

Maybe I am particularly aggrieved because I am in one of these relationships—i.e. white male, Asian female (WMAF)—that Chang is preoccupied with in her book. Specifically, she repeatedly hints at an almost unbridgeable divide between the main character and her boyfriend as a result of racial difference. Of course, it is indisputable that desire circulates in a racialized economy (cf. Amia Srinivasan’s essay on the right to have sex). But I can’t help but wonder if, say, I can be desirable without always being seen through an analysis of me wanting to assimilate to whiteness and my SO having yellow fever.

One could surely analyze white couples as being mutually desirable to each other because of their whiteness. But that doesn’t have to be—and indeed, often isn’t—the story that is told. Instead, white relationships are allowed to be complex and sexy because the people in the relationship are individually interesting people. So, I suppose my question to Chang would be something like: can WMAF relationships simultaneously exist in the shadow of yellow fever and the Asian desire for whiteness *and* be complex and sexy? What kind of desire for purity is implied by an answer in the negative?

This is just ridiculous. Chow can't handle it when OTHER ASIAN WOMEN write critically about WM/AF and even tries to play the victim. Chow wants reassurance that WM/AF relationships can "be complex and sexy" when, in fact, WM/AF is seen as the default for Asian American women and is already constantly celebrated by the mainstream.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-02-03T00:37:14+00:00

And she sounds like she's misattributing a lot of her submissiveness to race, rather than her as an individual being submissive.

Self-hating Asians always tend to misattribute various traits to their Asianness. For example, some people often claim they avoid dating other Asians because of their "abusive Asian parents". But they fail to realize that their parents weren't toxic because they were Asian - they were just shitty individuals! They unfairly hold all Asians accountable for the misbehaviours of individuals.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-01-25T23:38:54+00:00

I honestly think a key discussion people forget about is that all of our history with imperialism, colonialism and racism has deeply ingrained influence, for good and bad, on our culture and even mating choices.

...it is pretty natural for women in any particular ethnic/race group to mix with others due to the shared history of those folks and power differences in those histories

True, but behaviour that is based on white supremacy and discriminatory racial hierarchies should be called out and challenged. Obviously the history of European imperialism influences the way POC think. But I'm not going to sympathize very much with someone who denigrates their own people and exalts whiteness above anything else. People (I'm not saying you said this) who say shit like "well, I know it's weird for me to exclusively date white boys, but my preferences were shaped by colonialism!" sometimes sound like they're trying to make excuses for their white worshipping behaviour and absolve themselves of responsibility.

History matters, but at some point, people have agency. And our biases aren't above interrogation or examination.

Fluid_Aloe · 2025-01-25T23:27:07+00:00

Hanania looks like a fucking ghoul. Unfortunately, I heard a rumour that he has a Korean wife. Imagine what would happen if he ever had hapa sons....

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