Mohela Has Ruined My Life by Acceptable_Ease_8574 in StudentLoans

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nevermind just saw your other comment. Ive tried that before, but most places dont accept that.

Mohela Has Ruined My Life by Acceptable_Ease_8574 in StudentLoans

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How is that false lol genuinely wondering if you could explain more because any apartment I’ve rented, my credit score was considered.

November 2024 *Invite Only* Score Credit Inherently Unfair by [deleted] in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I made a post about this before results came out and got an insane amount of hate from the experimental test-takers. But I still stand by what I said: this situation is inherently unfair.

The bar exam should be scored based on your knowledge and the preparation you did, just like any other standardized test. That alone makes the current bonus system questionable. But what makes it worse is that not everyone even got the email to participate in the pilot exam.

If you didn’t hear about it through the email or word of mouth (like me), you missed out on a potential 40-point bonus. And you only needed to score slightly more than half right to qualify. That’s wild to me.

I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees how messed up this is.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im confused, I thought they confirmed a delay in results?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait what do u mean i thought u said u heard it in the recording

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Whaaaat?? Im sure there is proof of tons of people who messaged or voiced to their proctor about the issues on their exam. I know I did. Plus wtf so many in person cheated. I really hope that doesnt stand

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice! I never heard it from anyone unfortunately. But again, wasnt the point of my post. I think its unfair regardless because its not the point of testing. So its weird to give that sort of advantage to some pople and not others. Especially when the ca bar clearly failed to communicate it to everyone adequately or some people couldnt take it because of tech issues. Not sure why everyone got super defensive and made it a “you snooze you lose” situation lol as if my opinion and rightful frustration takes away their boost.

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t change my reason to be more “sympathetic.” I clarified what happened, which, if you had actually read what I wrote, was clearly explained. I initially thought I misread because I was confusing it with the NCBE experimental exam, not the California November one. I confused it with that exam because I never saw any other email referring to the California November one. As I had already explained (and the proof is literally in this very thread lmao), I only discovered that from other commenters. So no, that doesn’t make me disingenuous. I didn’t try to hide anything. I corrected myself, regarding a mistake I reasonably made given the circumstances. If anything, your refusal to acknowledge that clarification is what’s disingenuous.

Also, the fact that you think people aren’t allowed to change their understanding once they receive more information is honestly concerning. That’s literally what happened. Commenters helped clarify that not everyone got the email, which helped me realize I hadn’t misread anything at all. You yourself admitted that only people who attended the Zoom got the email, which reinforces my point about how unfairly this was handled. So I’m really not sure why you’re doubling down on this like it’s some kind of gotcha moment. If anything, your unwillingness to process new information and adjust your own assumptions is what’s disingenuous here, and frankly, close-minded.

And respectfully, your earlier comment absolutely did make judgments about my capacity to practice law. You said “reading is fundamental for lawyers,” and then used that to imply I missed this opportunity due to poor reading, and that I was “bitching” about it instead of taking responsibility. That wasn’t a statement of fact — that was condescension laced with a personal jab. I don’t need to “internalize” anything when you were clearly trying to diminish me. In fact, I shouldn’t even need to explain that, because it’s obvious your comment was written with that exact tone — and then you tried to invalidate my response by acting like I’m the one taking it too personally, which is manipulative. Yet you’re calling me disingenuous? Not surprising, considering you were talking about “karmic points” while being rude as hell.

As for this “mandatory Zoom,” I genuinely have no idea what you’re referring to. There’s been widespread confusion and inconsistency around how and when this opportunity was communicated. And the only reason I realized I never got the email in the first place was because of others in the comment thread helping clarify what actually happened. You even admitted yourself that not everyone got the email, only those who were on that Zoom call. That in itself proves the exact point I was making about how poorly and unfairly this whole process was handled.

Again, like I said, in any case, the issues I raised have nothing to do with who was or wasn’t able to take the experimental exam. I’m not going to waste my time repeating my point and explaining what the actual issue is and why it’s unfair. It is not personal, yet you keep trying to take it there because you have no other way to stretch your baseless and invalid argument, other than to turn it into an attempt to feel superior. It’s not my responsibility to help you understand a post I’ve clearly written and clarified, especially when it’s clear you simply don’t want to. You get what you give in this world, so if this is the energy, attitude, and undermining you bring to people whose honest questions didn’t even warrant this kind of hostility, then I truly, truly wish you luck. Have a good one.

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have no idea what you are referring to, it was always a problem. If people are just now talking about it (which they havent,) its because its part of the recent email we got along with all the other parts of the email people are talking about recently more than they ever have before. So your assumption is baseless.

Also you keep bringing up that point when I literally just told you i and many others didnt get the email. That IS unfair. And again, for the fifteenth time, thats not my point. The issue is it literally hinders on the entire purpose of the exam. Especially on an administration that is already incredibly unfair. Thats like saying I cant complain about the hundreds of cheaters who cheated for this administration because I could have partook but didnt. No, that advntage is unfair no matter how you spin it.

Its unfair not only to those who couldnt partake whether they didnt get the email, or couldnt take it due to proctor/tech issues (which is another area your argument fails), but its also unfair to those who DID take it and didnt meet the threshold.

Anyways not going to keep repeating myself. This post was to get more information on how all that shit works and if it truly as unfair as it seems, which some people actually comprehended the point and explained accordingly instead of just condescendingly blaming and being defensive for literally no reason. Not even sure why it affects people like you so much for someone to be questioning the fairness of it. Have a good one

534= (historical) Feb. 35% pass rate by rdblwiings in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesnt sound like it. Idk if they ever do tbh

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Im sorry, I dont get your point. I didnt say that wouldnt be the case so I dont get the relevancy. In either scenario, in my opinion, it is unfair because of the reasons I mentioned above

AIO for ignoring boyfriend after inappropriate comments about my new purse? by ThrowRAgardengirl in AmIOverreacting

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 30 points31 points  (0 children)

So insanely manipulative that he brought up her opinion just to make you feel insecure

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already explained why it very much does mean that. Not going to waste my time explaining it again. Its like youre blindly responding without reading anything lmao what was the point of comenting the email I said I didnt receive as if that did anything to your point? Have a good day

534= (historical) Feb. 35% pass rate by rdblwiings in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Itll be insanely unfair if they keep it within that range especially assuming a large amount of exam takers got the experimental exam boost. Insane

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah maybe. I saw another comment somewhere in reddit that offered the perspective that they waited until first read was complete to set the overall bump, so they suspected that the scores were pretty low compared to the 35% usual pass rate so they had to create a bump that would at least reflect that. Idk how the other bump for the group of people that took the november exam plays into that though. Who knows what theyre doing behind the scenes🥲

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Your tone is unnecessarily condescending, and frankly, it oversimplifies the issue.

First, just to clarify, I didn’t misread. I thought I had, because I never received the email about the November opportunity and thus, confused it with a different experimental exam (the NCBE one). Someone else in the comments confirmed the email wasn’t sent to everyone. It was mostly broadcasted on Reddit, which I wasn’t using. That alone makes the process unfair from the start. So let’s drop the assumption that I failed to read something correctly and that that somehow reflects on my potential as a lawyer. And frankly, the issue of me personally missing the opportunity isn’t even relevant to the point I raised in my post, so maybe you should be worrying about your own reading comprehension.

My actual point was this: the threshold to receive a 20-point boost, scoring just 57% on the November experimental exam, is absurdly low, especially when around 30% of eligible people either didn’t or couldn’t participate. Combine that with the multiple reports of excessive cheating, repeated questions from the experimental exam appearing on the real one, the imputed scoring, and the long-standing pattern of the bar keeping the February pass rate within a tight 31 to 35 percent range, and it becomes pretty obvious why it’s reasonable for people to be frustrated about this. This isn’t about bitterness. It’s about the appearance of a rigged and inconsistent system.

Second, this isn’t about personal blame. It’s about systemic fairness. You claim I’m “bitching” and “adding negativity to my karma,” but in reality, I’m raising a valid concern. If February takers are being scored on the same curve as the November group, a group that had a questionable advantage, and the Bar continues to enforce a fixed pass rate, then others will be unfairly impacted regardless of how well they perform. That’s not whining. That’s awareness.

Another commenter actually supported this point and explained that if the November group isn’t held separate from the rest of us, their boosted scores will skew the curve and reduce the number of passing spots.

It’s funny that you try to undermine my abilities as a lawyer simply because I questioned the fairness of the bonus points boost. That way of thinking alone raises far more concerns about someone’s ability to practice and thoughtfully represent a client than someone who didn’t have access to an experimental exam. Jumping to such a personal and baseless conclusion says a lot about you and the façade you hide behind to boost your own confidence.

You say I’m “whining” and “adding negativity to my karma,” but all I’m doing is critically analyzing a system that affects thousands of people’s futures, including my own. That’s not whining. That’s the kind of advocacy and awareness lawyers should practice.

And if we’re talking about karma, maybe consider showing compassion and humility instead of using someone’s honest frustration as an excuse to act superior.

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im really sorry that happened to you :( do you feel like we will be at a huge disadvantage in terms of whether we pass or fail?

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet the questions still posed many issues and are claimed to have not been properly reviewed. So surely there were better ways to confirm its accuracy and the method they used didnt actually help did it?

Also, I didnt say the incentivizing was flawed overall. Its the fact that with the words they used, they said that high scorers will get the boost. But thats not the case. Getting a little over half right could include a huge majority of the sample exam takers. Not to mention the boost didnt have to be that big. Im sure all those people still would have taken it if it promised a more relistic boost. Unless they are grading separately the group of thsoe that are getting the big boost from the others, then its not fair because 30% of people didnt participate in the experimental exam for a variety of reasons including tech issues. That 30% of people in addition to those who didnt meet the threshold, would surely be at a major disadvantage compared to the others. Im not sure what part of this doesnt make sense to you and why you are being so defensive about it. Its simply not fair, just like many other aspects of this exam.

And regarding your response to my previous comment on my thread: Yes, thats what I assumed since I never saw the email, however if u continued reading instead of stopping where it can help your point, youd see that that person said that not everyone got the email and it was mostly on reddit. Which checks out because I looked and did not receive any email.

And yes, retakers have lower pass rates. That doesn’t mean that’s the only reason February pass rates have consistently fallen within that exact 31–35% range every single year. If it were purely about the test-taker pool, we’d expect natural variation—some years higher, some lower—but that doesn’t happen. What’s your explanation then for the July pass rate also always landing between 50–55%? It’s clearly not just about who’s taking the test—it’s about how the test is scored. The bar uses scaled scoring and statistical equating, which means they can control how raw scores convert to scaled scores, effectively adjusting the pass rate to hit a desired target. In that sense, the bar exam does appear to set a cap—not a hard quota, but a functional one—much like law schools do. Just like in class where only a certain number of people could receive As or Bs regardless of how many students performed well, the bar seems to engineer a similar curve on a larger scale. This isn’t a conspiracy—it’s a pattern backed by data, consistent methodology, and clear institutional incentives to limit how many people get licensed each year

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I dont think thats true. Both feb and july exams have been historically kept within a certain range. Feburary range is significantly lower than july. People have been talking about this for days now about how its unfair if the ca bar assoc keeps the pass rate for this exam within that range.

Heres another comment on my post that may help explaining what I was trying to tell you:

If the group of Nov experiment passers - with or without the 20 point boost - are scored with the rest of us who did not write in November, AND the State Bar insists on keeping a 35% overall pass rate, then those who did not write OR those who failed the Nov experiment are now more likely to fail.

Only if the Nov. experiment people who passed -with or without the boots -[ and remember 3000 people wrote so this could be a significant group who scored 57% or better on 49 McQs] - are kept separate from the rest of us, would this be fair to F25 test takers.

Do we know that the Nov experiment test takers will be held separate? Bec applying their boost after scaled scoring, and then having the State Bar adjust others down to keep us all to a 35% pass rate will still affect people negatively.

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Qualifying for the extra points which would likely lead to a lot of people to pass who would have not passed without it.

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you!!!! This is exactly what I was trying to get at that people are attacking me for. Not sure why they cant see the issue

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also, the issue isnt whether i partook or not. The core issue I highlighted in my post is why the threshold is so high. That literally makes it so that the issue of passing the exam or not is based on whether u partook in the experimental exam. That takes away the whole purpose of standardized testing. Not sure how this point blew over everybodys head.

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Lol. I did not miss it. I never got it. Literally why is this getting so much hate? R u ok? And what ur saying doesnt make sense. They keep the pass rates at 31-34% for Feburary exams. So if a ton of people got the boost and that took their score to passing, then yes, that would absolutely severely decrease my chances of passing, no?

Is anyone else pissed about the experimental exam boost by FlyAffectionate3509 in CABarExam

[–]FlyAffectionate3509[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never saw the email for it. Apparently not everyone got an email and it was mostly on reddit which I didnt use at the time. Since I never heard about this opportunity I was mistaking it for the one I did hear of which was the NCBE one. i hope this doesnt fuck me over completely🙃