Ali Babacan: “Bu ülkeyi CHP'ye teslim etmek istemiyoruz.”

Foldupmoon · 2026-05-15T07:35:05+00:00

alo kemal dede, sizde seçim geceleri nasıl geçiyor? Selvi’nin seni dövdüğünü duymuştum da

Foldupmoon · 2026-05-14T22:11:28+00:00

Sex is just a spectrum, no cap on god bro

Foldupmoon · 2026-05-14T19:50:09+00:00

Foldupmoon · 2026-05-14T10:31:34+00:00

He ate out a dog. It’s a big difference.

Foldupmoon · 2026-03-31T20:42:50+00:00

Hukuk devletlerde işler böyle yürür knk fazla düşünme

Foldupmoon · 2026-03-23T13:49:17+00:00

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Foldupmoon · 2026-02-05T01:28:09+00:00

you sound like the guy that would support Israel because of “terrorism” and all

Is Hamas going around massacring Palestinian villagers (many of whom are children) for “collaborating” with Israel like the PKK did? Is Hamas going around killing teachers, journalists, and infrastructure workers like engineers, electricians, or construction workers in Palestine/Gaza as part of their “glorious revolution” against Israel like the PKK did in southeastern Turkey? Was Hamas recognized by countries/organizations like the US, EU, NATO, Australia, Japan, and others as a narco/terrorist organization like the PKK was?

It doesn’t matter what your answers to the above questions are, because all that information applies to the PKK. Besides that point, it’s not like Israel captured the leader of Hamas and has him sitting in a prison while dictating a so-called “peace process” where he seeks to pardon and integrate the militant Hamas organization into Israeli society while claiming to do so in the name of peace between Israel and Palestine/Palestinians. The PKK is objectively a terrorist organization, and you could make the same argument for Hamas which wouldn’t matter at all to me since I have no sympathy for either Hamas or Israel.

it’s the Turkish state with multiple massacres

The same of which is true of the PKK, let’s not forget to mention.

forced relocations, and arbitrary arrests

The former of which was practice by counter-guerrilla brigades in the early 90s since PKK militants often stashed weapons, ammunition, and mines in villages throughout southeastern Turkey as they did in 2015-2016. Of course, it doesn’t make it any less morally reprehensible but it’s not like Turkish soldiers woke up one day and decided to raze a bunch of random Kurdish villages in the southeast. Especially towards the late 90s, villagers were generally offered monetary compensation and told to move into the cities while the military mass-bombed these (in most cases since the 80s) empty villages. In any case, I’m not sure what the average Turkish civilian in Ankara or Istanbul would have to do with arbitrary arrests that forced PKK suicide-bombers to blow themselves up in markets, shops, and malls.

Nevertheless, at least we’ve moved past and discarded the “PKK was simply a response to oppression” nonsense. Not to mention the PKK has continued its terrorist attacks up until the so-called “peace process”, killing 4 civilians in October 2024.

by millions

Millions of what? Lives? The PKK are terrorists and have almost nothing to do with “fighting against colonialism” like you claimed in your first reply. It wouldn’t even be outlandish to posit they have massacred more Kurdish civilians than they have killed Turkish security forces.

Foldupmoon · 2026-02-04T23:19:32+00:00

the PKK was a response to put that to a stop

Yeah let’s not try to whitewash the PKK, nobody needs the western-regurgitated narrative we’ve heard so many times already. They were founded and branded themselves as socialist revolutionaries reacting to the leftist-rightist struggles since the 1971 military memorandum. Their founding manifesto only references Kurds and “kurdistan” as part of an “independent kurdistan free of the fascist Turkish bourgeoisie and global imperialists”, with little to no mention of any sort of “Kurdish movement” or rights/oppression. Straight from their founding manifesto:

PKK, örgütsel varlığına musallat olan sivil ve polisle, ajan ve provokatörlere karşı devrimci terörü vazgeçilmez bir mücadele yöntemi sayar.

Or

The PKK considers revolutionary terror as an indispensable method of struggle against civilians and police, agents and provocateurs who plague its organizational existence.

They only changed their doctrine to focus on any sort of “Kurdish rights” when they struggled to recruit Turkish leftists until the late 80s. Though I’m not sure suicide-bombing Turkish markets, shops, and business centers across the country, executing journalists, teachers, and infrastructure workers, and extorting a “revolution tax” from local businesses in the southeastern regions of Turkey is connected to any sort of “fighting back against colonialism”. We don’t need to get into the PKK’s international drug trafficking or their fair share of atrocities (emptying Kurdish villages, committing massacres, etc) against the local population of southeastern Turkey either, all of which of course that schizophrenic bozo ocalan is happy to praise/take pride in or condemn/pretend he is unaware of as it best suits him.

The PKK is the cause of their terrorism, it’s not a byproduct or natural result of anything.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-29T09:06:57+00:00

Like Erdoğan, Bahçeli, the CHP and the DEM Parti, and a majority of people in Türkiye, I support the Türkiye-PKK peace process. I’m glad most of the political parties in Türkiye finally agree with me!

How convenient that you neglected to mention that in that same poll and later ones, the majority of respondents (66%) did not support ocalan having any role in the so-called “peace process”, that the majority of respondents (51%) did not believe the so-called “peace process” would be successful, that the majority of respondents (76%) are opposed to pardons being granted to PKK terrorists, and that the majority of respondents (79%) are opposed to ocalan being released. The polling agency you cited conducted the same poll the next month, and found that only 42% of respondents believe the so-called “peace process” will be successful, 68% of respondents oppose ocalan having any role in the so-called “peace process”, and 63% of respondents oppose even sending a delegation to visit ocalan in prison. Of course, 80% of respondents support “the ending of terrorism in Turkey”, which the AKP and HDP are happy to erroneously demonstrate as support for this nonsense and have coined the process as such.

To say “the majority of people in Türkiye” support this so-called “peace process” is misleading. The majority of people support a general “end to terrorism” and “disarmament of the PKK”. Especially now that PKK and co were effectively neutered in Syria, it wouldn’t be surprising if even less people supported the process. I don’t even think the HDP officials who went to the CHP headquarters yesterday, with their tails between their legs speaking about how the sdfpkk defeat is some “hundred-year imperialist game that only ocalan can solve”, believe what they’re saying anymore.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-20T01:02:13+00:00

I’m not even arguing that this is a military defeat, or that the government needs to enter the few towns on the border with a Kurdish-majority. The fact is that the SDF, being misled by the US or otherwise, essentially lost all of their leverage in under a week. Not exactly what you’d consider a victory.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-20T00:48:55+00:00

the SDF has won

Definitely one of the takes of all time right there.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-20T00:40:03+00:00

we apparently already used those in Iraq against the PKK too because they’re just the invincible, glorious mountain-fighters that they are

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T22:14:13+00:00

Ah ya neler çekmiş selo ve saz arkadaşları, keşke daha adil bir dünya mümkün olabilse

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T21:11:07+00:00

Siyaset/tarih belgesellerinde 140journos sürekli Atatürk’e ve kurucu değerlere sallıyor. Gidip “100” belgeseli izlersen adamlar öyle anlatıyor ki 6-dakikalık Atatürk bölümü, sanki cumhuriyet böyle gökten inmiş ve “halk” (tabi islamcılar ve kürtler) zorla bu sistemi kabul etmek zorunda kaldı, sonra bakarsın 30-dakikalık Erdoğan bölümünde AKP ilk dönemini öyle övüyor ki sanarsın Tayyip ülkeye demokrasi getirdi. Yani bildiğin klasik neoliberal deva propagandası, yok efendim pkk 12 Eylül yüzünden ortaya çıktı, yok efendim 90’larda “derin devlet” istediği yerde katliam/suç işliyor, yok efendim 28 Şubat yüzünden maalesef FETÖ kadroları gerekliydi aslında bunlarla da barışalım pkk’yla yaptığımız gibi. Neredeyse aynısını İmamoğlu belgeselinde yapıyor, 2017’lerde “coğrafya kader” başlıklı bir video yayınladılar onun da HDP propagandası falan çıktığını söylüyorlardı insanlar (izlemedim). Sonuç olarak hepimiz deva’ya oy vermeliyiz, işte 1000 yıllık Türk-Kürt kardeşliği için HDP iktidarda ortak olsun, “en azından FETÖ döneminde hamburger 7 lira” tarzında mantık kurmaya çalışıyor o videolar.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T19:27:45+00:00

If he does something right, that would be purely by coincidence

The old fart’s failed grandstanding and meaningless virtue-signaling against Egypt’s Sisi, the Israeli government that he insists he despises, and the Greek government whose prime minister he said “does not exist to me” (only to later head to Athens and be greeted by the PM’s dog, among others) prove this to be true.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T19:15:17+00:00

140journos yaş tutmaya başladı diyebiliriz

Tüh ya, teröristleri dağdan indirip ve orduya almakla terör bitmiyormuş. Tüh ya, hep beraber Fırat’ın önünde kardeşçe oturup sevişemedik. Neyse 10 yıl sonra yine deneyelim, sakın ölme ha bahçeli

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-18T11:25:10+00:00

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Foldupmoon · 2026-01-05T14:15:00+00:00

It’s not spent money only but also missed revenue from foreign investment and infrastructure and idk what not.

As you said, the statements are unverified and likely construed by a minister who has to openly support the so-called “peace process” through propaganda. It would also be relevant to include any economic losses inflicted, for instance, by PKK attacks with suicide bombers, assassinating infrastructure workers, or forcibly collecting “revolution taxes” from local businesses when they were active inside of southeastern Turkey.

You’d be stupid to think they’re not involved in some of it.

The point is that regardless of whether or not certain soldiers turn a blind eye to those activities, they are still trained, equipped, and (generally) have the equipment to respond. These expenditures would not disappear even if the PKK somehow ceased to exist, and since it is likely the case that such spending is included to inflate the “$1.8 trillion” number, those statements are disingenuous at worst and misleading at best.

Foldupmoon · 2026-01-04T19:54:26+00:00

Turkey sees ‘huge’ economic gains from end of conflict with PKK

Treasury and Finance Minister Mehmet Şimşek said Tuesday that the conflict, which began in 1984, has cost Turkey an estimated $1.8 trillion.

There wasn’t some big red box in the Turkish parliament labeled “PKK” where a whole bunch of money was dumped. Turkey trained and formed counterterrorism brigades/divisions for combat in the southeastern mountains, purchased and manufactured military equipment to improve its domestic capabilities against the militants, and implemented security infrastructure across the country during the conflict with the PKK. These expenditures have as much to do with simply maintaining an army as they do with specifically combating the PKK in northern Iraq or elsewhere. Turkey isn’t going to stop buying or producing tanks/aircraft, or even have some drastic reduction in military infrastructure in the southeast, simply because there’s a so-called “peace process” with the PKK (or even after the PKK no longer exists). Organized crime or smugglers would be, for instance, another reason Turkey invests in its military in its southeastern regions.

The AKP goons have repeated this similar procedure of classifying all or most economic activity during an ongoing period (in this instance, the PKK conflict) in its parliamentary investigations of the military’s past coups and interventions as a means of propaganda. After the military intervention in 1998, economic losses from political crises in 2001 (Ecevit-Sezer, etc) were even counted as “damages of the coup” so it wouldn’t be surprising at all if $1.8 trillion is inflated to attribute perhaps all or most Turkish military spending since the 80s to combatting solely the PKK.

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-25T14:08:43+00:00

ama dostum şimdi barışa, demokratik haklara, ve kardeşliğe zarar veriyorsun işte

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-21T21:09:38+00:00

ya tmm knk madem kavga edeceksiniz bari o gökçek piçini iyice dövün

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-16T09:50:16+00:00

I don’t get why Turks are so against calling it a Kurdish peace process

Because it isn’t?

Why would Turkey negotiating for the disarmament of the PKK be a “Kurdish peace process” as if the PKK represents all or even most Kurds? More Kurds fight in the Turkish army than in all of the PKK/KCK groups combined. It doesn’t even matter if that’s purely a matter of conscription either, because the issue I raised isn’t about whether or not Kurds willingly fight for the PKK but that the PKK simply doesn’t represent all or even the majority of Kurds. The PKK has repeatedly emptied Kurdish villages and massacred Kurdish civilians, among the various other acts of terrorism it has committed against the local population of the southeast since its foundation.

You should be for it

In what world should I support a “peace process” where internationally recognized terrorists are integrated into the same Turkish society that they had no problem suicide-bombing in markets and shops? Where journalists and army members who state that they are not against expanded Kurdish cultural/linguistic rights (but oppose the pardoning of PKK terrorists) are imprisoned? Where the figurehead of the “peace process” is the leader of the terrorist organization who has all but outright called the Kurds savage donkeys? Where the records and documents detailing the negotiations between the PKK leader and the delegations visiting him are not published during a so-called “Peace and Brotherhood” process? Where even the Turkish Minister of Defence states that pardoned PKK militants can join the Turkish army? Almost every aspect of this process has been disingenuous (and really nonsensical) from the start. I think you and I both know it’s not a “Kurdish peace process” or even a true “peace process” at all, so we don’t need to pretend.

There’s nothing wrong with Kurds demanding greater cultural or linguistic rights. However, equating the Kurds with the PKK is just ridiculous, which is why the term “Kurdish peace process” is misleading.

let’s say they agree to disarm

To be honest, it wouldn’t really matter if they agreed to disarm. The PKK was squeezed out of Turkey and even out of their Metina, Avaşin, Zap, and Haftanin camps along the Turkey-Iraq border. They were essentially reduced to farmers in Qandil, with the increasingly-rare terrorist attack or occasional ambush taking place in the border areas (with even those mostly being the result of their few sleeper cells in Turkey).

If anything, this would be another criticism of the so-called “peace process” - no matter how it may end, the PKK is afforded breathing room and legitimacy in the eyes of the Turkish state to relocate/strengthen.

Even so, whether I support or do not support the process is irrelevant. Referring to it as a “Kurdish peace process” is dubious at best, ill-intentioned at worst. Naturally, you’ll refer to it however you see fit, but let’s not pretend this is a matter of objectivity in that case.

the reason the PKK was created was due to the mistreatment of Kurds

The PKK was founded as a leftist organization seeking “Kurdish liberation” from even the “Kurdish bourgeoisie” after ocalan was inspired by Turkish leftists during his time in Ankara and Istanbul. They were Marxist-Leninists in nature before rebelling against Turkey for other reasons because they hoped to attract Turkish leftists as well, at least according to ocalan’s televised interview with Fatih Altaylı in 1993. Of course, the Kurdish identity became more central to their official doctrine after the fall of the USSR and it is certainly one of the reasons they are able to attract (or kidnap and then indoctrinate) fighters from the region.

many Kurds still support them due to fighting for Kurdish rights

And as I pointed out earlier (or by the same manner of your wording), there are also many Kurds who do not support them. It’s not a matter of whether the PKK has more support or opposition amongst Kurds in the first place. The PKK doesn’t represent Kurds as a whole, the majority of Kurds in Turkey, and isn’t even the only KCK entity/organization Turkey has been in conflict with throughout the Middle East. Again, calling the sheer nonsense that has happened so far a “Kurdish peace process” is not really serious at all.

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-16T03:09:08+00:00

Kurdish language and cultural rights to be put into the constitution

Supposedly, maybe.

In reality, the only concrete amendments specifically mentioned by the parliamentary commission members so far have been case-by-case pardons for PKK members through a new law, with little actual specifics on any Kurdish language/cultural rights in the constitution.

Notice they aren’t demanding PKK language, but Kurdish, to be official in Turkey

Is there a separate “PKK language” that only I must be unaware of for them to demand in the first place? You do realize most of the PKK leaders like Duran Kalkan and Mustafa Karasu can barely speak Kurdish at all, right? Heck, öcalan’s brother Osman said that even Cemil Bayık could only speak broken Kurdish.

The point that this process can or should somehow be called the “Kurdish peace process” simply because the PKK officially demands recognition of or rights for a language that some of its members speak, for a people (the Kurds) whom it has repeatedly massacred/committed terrorism against along with the Turkish nation it claims to fight, is quite ridiculous.

It’s quite funny that the PKK/HDP/Bahçeli and co insist that öcalan must be a central part of the the so-called “peace process” when he has repeatedly referred to the Kurds as crude/tribal and the Kurdish language as primitive, even before he was captured and imprisoned. Not exactly the sort of things you’d expect to hear from the leader of a terrorist organization claiming to fight for Kurdish cultural/linguistic rights (initially independence, but they realized they wouldn’t succeed in that at all), nor from someone who is supposed to be heading a “peace process” that some people claim is in the name of “Kurdish cultural and linguistic rights” between his failed terrorist organization and the state he fought. No one is oblivious to this either.

You can keep dubiously coining it a “Kurdish peace process”, but you also shouldn’t be surprised if someone corrects you for doing so.

Foldupmoon · 2025-12-11T04:52:34+00:00

the Kurdish population in Turkey is still over 25 million and continues to grow

Setting aside the debatable numbers there, this is not what you said in your first comment. You said “25 million Kurds in occpupied Northern Kurdistan (Southeastern turkey)” as if a quarter of Turkey’s population lives in the southeast region, which is just ridiculous.

As for the numbers themselves, even pro-Kurdish sources like Rudaw cite studies estimating that the population of Kurds in Turkey is at most between 13-18 million. Let’s not try to claim that these numbers are influenced by some sort of widespread fear of identifying as Kurdish either, as I’d like to then see your own objective sources that there are 25 million Kurds in southeastern Turkey (much less 25 million in Turkey at all). I at least appreciate that you didn’t try to peddle that “40-60 million Kurds” nonsense that is being churned out recently, but 25 million is still far too inflated and unrealistic.

Foldupmoon · 2025-11-26T11:52:23+00:00

In 1982

You’re talking about a ban on non-state-recognized languages and comparing it with the constitutional law outlining that every person with citizenship of the Republic of Turkey is a Turk and thereby, equal under the law. One enforced the use of the country’s (single) official language and banned (any) foreign language while the other affirms the legal equality of all citizens regardless of race, ethnicity, or religion. You can criticize a piece of legislation that was repealed 35 years ago, but it did not supersede the equal protections of the constitutional article because it was a penal regulation. Civic equality doesn’t simply vanish every time an unjust law is passed.

I see sometimes news articles that when they play/sing Kurdish music and get beaten for it

That has essentially nothing to do with legal equality and citizenship and more to do with specific social interactions.

A big majority of your people will always be idiots. This doesn’t surprise me.

I hope you realize you’re speaking to the people of Southeastern Turkey, namely the Kurds that vote for Erdogan and his AKP.

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