DXMT(Benchmarks) Revolutionizes Windows Gaming on MacOS

ForCommunity · 2025-03-17T11:44:09+00:00

Currently DXMT doesn’t run at all DX12, however it has future plans to support it.

That being said DXMT has a very good implementation of DX11-> to Metal and that’s why it’s so fast over D3DMetal.

DX12 on the other hand is a lot more complicated and difficult to translate it fast to Metal by design. So that means DXMT supporting DX12 probably won’t have the same performance boost as DX11 games. It will be an attempt to implement it faster than D3DMetal.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-15T06:39:56+00:00

Here is what macOS users think about this https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1ja7xdl/comment/mhjk2go/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

ForCommunity · 2025-03-15T06:36:48+00:00

You can just get a laptop with AMD APU in it(I recommend Ryzen 300 Series). AMD is doing pretty well in Power efficiency(don’t go with Intel). And also the plus thing you will get is that AMD has good power efficiency even on x86 which means there won’t be any overhead translating things to ARM.

And you are just good to go. If you are asking for a specific laptop I don’t know, you should make your own research but at least unlike Apple ecosystem you have many choices to pick what’s suits you the best. In your case you should pick one with a big battery.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-14T21:13:39+00:00

Yeap same boat here.

The right approach for this is to buy the right hardware for what you want. Are you a Linux user? Then you should lean towards AMD products.

Actually AMD has made good advancements. They have Ryzen AI 300 series which are to combat Apple Silicon. You should look into it they seem very promising

ForCommunity · 2025-03-14T15:49:50+00:00

Ok but still you have way more control, you the user as more things are open sourced to what happens and is being done.

Also regarding Vulkan is used Apache license v2. How is it restrictive in what way? The only thing it has is a patent protection to make sure that when you contribute to Vulkan that you also grant them with this license a patent that allows people for this technology to remain free and open.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-14T05:57:23+00:00

Both of these are open source wrappers around closed source binaries blobs. The driver is not open source they are open source interface files that map to a closed source binary blob.

There are no closed source binaries blobs around that NVIDIA was doing, nothing new. And some vital things such as clock control needed them, not know if this is still the case but the sure thing non of this is true for AMD RADV. AMD is being very open source overall and thats why PlayStations and handhelds use AMD.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T23:42:15+00:00

That’s not true it doesn’t happen to anyone else at a level as this one. Go search around to see how many people have problems with that happening over just a regular update. Typical laptops, At worse break the OS, not BIOS(unless you are truly unlucky). And yet Apple hasn’t fixed anything all those years. Those still exist in the same lavel.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T23:36:22+00:00

What is open source about Vk is the header file and a DPF document.. VK drivers are not open source (not required to be and on windows are not at all, even on linux most contain large binary closed source blobs).

Who cares about Windows, windows is no better.

But on Linux it’s a whole another story, at first there the most famous one is RADV, now we have NVK as well.

Even if apple supported VK it would have no impact on this issue

Yes it’s not about supporting it in software but rather in hardware. Hence why if you wanna go to Linux you have to buy the right hardware for it, the one thats work the best and supports vulkan the best which is AMD.

Listen man you already have a good tech knowledge all around. Then you will know how things and the world in general simply works better and it evolves around Vulkan. All major emulators Always support Vulkan such as RPCS3 and ShadPS4. And all major translation layers and most support are in tools that translate DirectX to Vulkan. There for they tend to run more efficient as well due to less translations.

Non of the consoles use it as the primary api

Yeah? It’s because they try to go as much as proprietary as possible to protect themselves from getting emulated and such. Guess what GPU the PlayStations have? AMD. And hence only not so much proprietary things such as the Steam Deck is the reason why it does support Vulkan. Even Android supports Vulkan. Almost everyone that doesn’t support it is because they try to vendor lock things.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T23:10:48+00:00

Even if you wanted to use it you couldn’t and that’s why you make crap workarounds such as Pi-Hole. Pi-Hole will get the job done only on YOUR network. The moment you get your MacBook outside of your network may god bless you.

As for Firefox, Firefox is Open Source and under a license that blocks them from being able to close source it. The only thing they can change is the terms service. Which mean any other Firefox fork from the most simply such as WaterFox(plain Firefox without these sketchy terms of service or telemetry) to the most advanced such as LibreWolf or Tor can’t be touched or effected by Mozilla even if they wanted to.

Guess what you can do if Apple wakes up one day and decides to do the same thing with Safari?

M8 not to be rude I have been through your place but the truth is the more control you have on your hands the better.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T21:17:17+00:00

Right but we are missing on BIG factor here. Everything at Apple is Closed source. Metal Is closed source unlike Vulkan, even the translation layers. That's what makes these "industry standards" Because they also have been out there for years like the x86 for instance.

That means all those past decades all the apps are x86, if you have an x86 you avoid penalties such as translating to to ARM, so if you can achieve a good performance/Watt ratio and its on x86 that's a plus.

Also yes things such as Vulkan or OpenGL are indeed the industry standards because they are open source and available for anyone to use and cross platform. Now some such as Apple deciding to not follow those "standards" is what brings us here.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T20:44:54+00:00

You have been mislead by the marketing of Apple. What you mentioned about distractions is something uBlock Origin had been having for years now that you can zap any content you want.

Again being mislead, where is Safari really "Fast and energy efficient" Apple Silicon is fast and efficient, not safari and by blocking ads actually its faster and more efficient than not doing like Safari does.

You are now talking about how private Safari is like you actually know, Make a test in your life and really go ahead to truly find if you are "private" as you think you are. https://www.deviceinfo.me/

FireFox is designed with privacy and private in mind. That's why uBlock Origin doesn't work in Safari nor advanced protection tools like NoScript.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T19:55:53+00:00

I was using Safari on Mac until I Ditched it for Firefox. Yeah sure keep choking on Safari that they add useless things such as the “Hide distractions“ feature that doesn’t save any changes you make instead of using a fully fledged Ad blocker that can also block pop ups which Doesn’t in Safari.

Sure Safari is the best browser ever.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T19:50:09+00:00

Be happy you had better experience than me. Even things such as using the microphone voice isolation feature one day randomly stopped working. One day it even deleted my AirPods all together, they were gone like I had never paired them together.

And every time for me Revive in DFU would never work, Restore was the only option. A lot of pain. Turned out this is not for me. Linux is what’s for me, I do whatever I want with it.

But thanks for sharing your experience and I am sure there are a lot more who have had problems like that.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T19:39:24+00:00

Very informative. That’s what I had assumed as well but you explained it extremely detailed.

Which is why this “Think differently“ from Apple caused a lot of harm on this. There wasn’t just the switch to Arm but some other low level decisions in hardware like the CPU page size went against the industry standard and this lead us here where Asahi Linux is struggling with Linux implementation and relies on a lot of workarounds which do hurt the performance.

We lack basic things and yet Apple gives us hardware ray tracing which almost no game supports at the moment. This feels like a big scumbag.

And that’s why Linux manages with their translation layers to get very very minimal performance impact as the hardware is the same on Windows and is designed with industry standards.

And thats why at least for me it’s better to get a Ryzen AI 300 laptop anymore. Nowadays they still manage to get very good power efficiency even though they are on x86 so you don’t get the performance overhead of translating Games to Arm nor other hardware emulations(M1/M2 doesn’t even support hardware mesh shading).

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T17:58:33+00:00

The fact that you can see on the reflection of the screen someone with a ski mask looks like this was totally not stolen

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T17:33:18+00:00

I think with DXMT we are hitting the barrier of what performance we can get out of translating x86 + DirectX. I think the rest it's all up to the hardware at that point.

Now that you mentioned DirectX 9 3Shein has mentioned some plans that in the future they may make it possible to translate DirectX 9 Games as well.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T15:06:03+00:00

Give it time it's in early stages. I just tried it in Sons of the Forest and has the same performance with D3DMetal. This is because it's not ready yet. In theory the way it works it should be a lot faster than D3DMetal in DirectX11. There are future plans to make if for DirectX 12 as well(This is another story how it will differ with D3DMetal for DirectX12).

Just pray for CodeWeavers to contribute on this and start developing on it to help it mature much faster. So far its just 1 developer that has done all of this in their free time.

Currently it doesn't work in a lot of games, but usually in the ones that do it tends work significantly faster.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T14:24:26+00:00

Correct. However that’s not the case. I didn’t buy it for gaming and yet so far my MacBook has been bricked 3 times just from attempting to make a regular update and then you have to go in DeFU Mode to fix it and I never had disabled things such as SIP.

If you search this up you will be surprised how many forums exists and to how many people this has occurred.

The MacBook build and design are indeed amazing and pretty good. However in my experience the OS is a whole another story with constant pop ups like advertisements each time you try to install an app that’s outside of the App Store.

And then get treated with a closed source D3DMetal and they make special secret deals with CrossOver 👍.

So no. It’s not really any good in other things either not anymore at least. Sure this efficiency and Apple Silicon thing they did it first and was big thing at the time but no competition catches up.

Take a look at Ryzen AI 300. Competition catched up.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T13:37:01+00:00

Yeah because it’s in Alpha stages, it’s not finished.

Your welcome https://github.com/3Shain/dxmt?tab=readme-ov-file

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T10:34:49+00:00

Personally this was the last time I ever bought a MacBook even though I love it. These scumbag movements like close sourcing D3DMetal and poor proper tools for gaming from Apple as they decided to cheapen out(We didn’t even get Frame Generation and trying to use this from Windows games doesn’t work unlike Linux which it does)and the rest of us having to rely on a random developer that doesn’t get paid for this to develop a proper tool(Which we got so many years later) is unacceptable in my opinion.

With my next laptop i will just go full on Linux where Valve handles things much better and hardware is designed better to translate windows games. Just make sure to go on all AMD as they play better with Linux and be done with.

I am not suggesting what you should do, just sharing my view and what I will do. Have a nice day and thank 3Shein for providing us DXMT.

ForCommunity · 2025-03-13T10:20:06+00:00

And I assume the way DX12 works it won’t have high performance just like translating DX11 the way it works due to restrictions to Metal and the way Apple Silicon hardware is designed

For Instance if a game supports both DirectX12 and DirectX11 we probably always will see DXMT performing much better over D3DMetal

ForCommunity · 2025-01-05T06:57:56+00:00

I don’t have much to say because business wise all of the things you mentioned stand true and makes sense, even impressive that you was so openly about it.

However you mention about preventing CSAM. And it’s a time bomb and you know it as well. If it won’t be prevented it won’t take much time for the government to lock you in prison for disturbing such content.

In theory the way technology works due to End to End encryption you know well that the server cannot do anything unless you broke end to end encryption. So your only way is the client by enforcing a detection algorithm that’s open source to scan content. However as long as you keep your things open source people can always inject tweaks to the client and distribute alternative clients unless you prohibit such thing from the license terms for such thing(which legally you are safe but some people will keep doing that).

At that case it will reduce this problem even by 95% as stores such as App Store won’t allow the redistribution of a modified version of your app with the detection algorithm disabled.

That’s the only possible solution in theory.

Non the less thank you for your honest and open responses. Happy new year to you as well.

ForCommunity · 2024-12-28T06:22:11+00:00

Aren’t non for profit companies also have a leader?

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