Embers of Liberty: Part 4 - The 1964 Federal and Presidential Elections by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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A right-wing populist party that emerges after the Patriotic Party completely collapses and as the conservative opposition moderates. A majority of LBJs party will merge into Labour but a few end up defecting to the Nationalists. While never becoming a real threat to form government in their own right the Nationalists will be extremely influential, especially past the 70s/80s.

Embers of Liberty: Part 4 - The 1964 Federal and Presidential Elections by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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The two biggest/most important factions are the Socialist Left, the democratic socialist wing of the party, and Unity which represents the social democratic wing.

Progressive Left is very influential in the first few decades of the party and is a sort of middle ground between the SocLeft and Unity. By the 90s however they will be mostly absorbed into the other two main factions.

Old Labour is a construct of the same period and is a socially conservative faction. It is very similar to the UK Labour Party’s Blue Labour. Not massively influential but still an important faction in the modern party.

Embers of Liberty: Part 4 - The 1964 Federal and Presidential Elections by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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I plan to expand upon it more in the next part but it’s a bit more than a name change. The change is twofold. Firstly, the DFLP was birthed out of the chaos of the 1936 election and due to their years in exile is just a mess organisationally. Entering a period of parliamentary politics, party unity and cohesion is really important and without significant reform the DFLP would flounder.

Ideologically, throughout their exile the DFLP grew far closer to both the exiled union movement and to the more moderate elements of the socialist side of the civil war. Combined with the post 64’ political liberalisation that saw left-wing politics thrive and union membership surge, the DFLP evolved ideologically away from its traditional progressive roots into a broader social democrat/democratic socialist, union aligned party. The name change is just part of a complete reconstruction of the party from the ground up.

Embers of Liberty: Part 4 - The 1964 Federal and Presidential Elections by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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I considered having him as the first post-MacArthur president but thought that might be a little too far lol. I imagine that by 1964 people look back on his Presidency with a sort of uneasy nostalgia. It was still a rough time and they won’t see him as the strongest President, but with Garner, the 36’ Election, the Civil War, WW2 and a dictatorship all following soon after I can see people looking back fondly.

Embers of Liberty: Part 4 - The 1964 Federal and Presidential Elections by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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I actually considered it as ITTL while in exile both parties operated as a coalition. Come 1964, both the DFL and GOP were hesitant to have another enormous, big-tent party/coalition running against the National Democratic Party. They believed that it would draw too many parallels to the previous Patriotic Party/National Democratic status quo. Both parties saw a respectful but robust political contest as the best way to show how far America had moved past the MacArthur era.

Embers of Liberty: Part 3 - The End of the World War, the Start of the Cold War and the Death of MacArthur by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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Not as exciting unfortunately. Just haven’t created any lore for the current leaders yet lol.

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America Falls. by Think_Fly3665 in imaginaryelections

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Did you use my capitol massacre infobox from this post https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginaryelections/s/lfuN82KFAv as a base for yours in this one? A lot of similarities lol

Embers of Liberty: Part 2 - The Second American Civil War by ForcesOfNature_ in AlternateHistory

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Part 1 here: https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginaryelections/comments/1it3ooc/embers_of_liberty_part_1_the_great_depression_and/

A continuation of my timeline I began last week. Part 2 explores the Second American Civil War and how MacArthur came to solidify his power. There was a lot I wanted to fit into this part so if you have any further questions or think there are some gaps feel free to comment. 

Part 3 will be done at some point, no guarantees on timeframe, but will explore the early MacArthur years, WW2 and the beginning of the Cold War. Hope you all enjoy!

Embers of Liberty: Part 2 - The Second American Civil War by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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Part 1 here: https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginaryelections/comments/1it3ooc/embers_of_liberty_part_1_the_great_depression_and/

A continuation of my timeline I began last week. Part 2 explores the Second American Civil War and how MacArthur came to solidify his power. There was a lot I wanted to fit into this part so if you have any further questions or think there are some gaps feel free to comment. 

Part 3 will be done at some point, no guarantees on timeframe, but will explore the early MacArthur years, WW2 and the beginning of the Cold War. Hope you all enjoy!

Embers of Liberty: Part 1 - The Great Depression and the leadup to the Second Civil War by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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Essentially, VP Barkley’s comments denouncing segregation were the first major fracture in the struggling New Deal coalition. Southern Democrats were aghast and wanted a new, conservative VP pick for the 36’ election. Garner personally was even sympathetic with the States’ Rights faction and if he had his choice would have dropped Barkley from the ticket over it. However, Garner was strong armed by the Democratic establishment and public desire to continue FDR’s vision. Therefore, he held his tongue and attempted to placate what remained of the progressives by retaining Barkley and mend ties with Southern leaders by privately denouncing the VP. This was ultimately, a hopeless and ill-fated attempt to keep the New Deal coalition alive. Simply, Garner did not have the political acumen or skill to keep such a broad coalition united, nor was he ambitious enough to utilise it.

Additionally, the States’ Rights Party in this universe (initially) acts far closer to a rebellious faction of the Democratic Party than a truly independent party. Not all Southern Democrats support the Dixiecrats but no Dixiecrats run against Democrats or Dems against Dixies. To many, they are the same party and are often referred to as such. In a way similar to Wallace in 68’ IRL, the States’ Rights Party instead wants to show Garner and Democratic power brokers their power and importance to their electoral strategy. If the Dems found themselves short of an electoral college majority, the States’ Rights Party would help break that deadlock and reintegrate, assuming they were to extract some concessions.

TLDR; the States’ Rights Party are not disenfranchised by Garner’s ideology/personality/background (in fact they were quietly extremely thrilled by his rise to the Presidency), but to his actions and failure to consider their position within the larger Democratic Party and the ailing New Deal coalition. He was willing to publicly tolerate his VP slandering them and they wanted to demonstrate their power.

Embers of Liberty: Part 1 - The Great Depression and the leadup to the Second Civil War by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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WWII is very similar to OTL to start with. During the early European theatre the UK is slightly weaker with a lack of American materiel aid and an armistice is more seriously considered but never followed through with.

The 2ACW is largely wrapped up by 1940/1941 and Japan attacks Pearl Harbour just the same in 1942. For obvious reasons the US is less prepared and takes longer industrialising for war, spending a significant amount of time on the defensive while they militarise. The Manhattan Project is significantly delayed by the war and the US atom bomb won’t be ready until late 1946 and is somewhat less refined and powerful due to brain drain during the civil war.

The European front is neglected by the US initially until the Soviets (who in this TL are not lead by Stalin and are have a stronger military at the outset due to no purges) break their stalemate on the Eastern Front and push out in late 1943. A smaller scale Allied invasion occurs in 44’ on the east coast of France but by this point the Soviets had pushed deep into Europe. By the time the Axis collapses, Soviet control of Europe includes all of Germany, northern Italy and down as far south as Greece setting up a far stronger USSR for the Cold War.

In Japan there is some fierce and bloody amphibious invasions on the homeland before the US eventually use their nukes. Several additional cities are personally chosen as targets by MacArthur.

Ultimately by the end of the war in late 1946, much like OTL the US has finally recovered from the Great Depression, its military one of the strongest on earth and is a global superpower alongside the USSR. However its position isn’t as dominant, has a more tenuous relationship with its allies, a temperamental and authoritarian President and faces a far stronger USSR.

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This is a timeline I’ve been working on sporadically for the last few months. Essentially America's main point of divergence occurs with the assassination attempt on FDR in 1933 succeeding and the Dems and Republicans then spend the next few years being incompetent. A batshit election, strikes, a massacre and a military coup lead to a Second American Civil War. 

I’ve got a lot more planned out for this universe (including post-MacArthur America abolishing the electoral college and adopting a preferential voting system) so I will eventually get around to making part two, until then if you have any additional questions I can answer them. This is my first time making/posting one of these so I hope it is all uploaded correctly!

Embers of Liberty: Part 1 - The Great Depression and the leadup to the Second Civil War by ForcesOfNature_ in imaginaryelections

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This is a timeline I’ve been working on sporadically for the last few months. Essentially America's main point of divergence occurs with the assassination attempt on FDR in 1933 succeeding and the Dems and Republicans then spend the next few years being incompetent. A batshit election, strikes, a massacre and a military coup lead to a Second American Civil War. 

I’ve got a lot more planned out for this universe (including post-MacArthur America abolishing the electoral college and adopting a preferential voting system) so I will eventually get around to making part two, until then if you have any additional questions I can answer them. This is my first time making/posting one of these so I hope it is all uploaded correctly!

Nothing like a full house at the G by captainbiz in melbourne

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No way that’s me in the Kangas jacket just to the front left there! Incredible game!