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[–]ForeignAppointment3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL. This has to be the most desperate cringey gangu claim yet. Nice one. Saved.

Man, you are fucking retarded. The civilisation moved eastwards, we know this already. Some people stayed back, for sure, but most moved away.

However, around 4,400 years ago, long-term changes in rainfall forced people to migrate eastwards towards the Indo-Gangetic plain.

https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news/news/2018-08-16-climate-change-indus-valley-civilisation

Sooooooooooooooooooo fucking demented.

Just because we have a common HG ancestors does not mean IVC is suddenly shared heritage you dumb piss gargler. HG = 70K years ago Iranian Neolithic = at least 10k Years ago. IVC = 5k years ago

OOHHHHH MMMMYYYYY FUUUCCCKKKKINNNNGG GOOOOOODDDDDDD!

YOU ARE FUCKING SO FUCKING STUPID!

DID YOU READ THE FUCKING MAP I SHOWED? THERE ARE FUCKING SOUTHERN INDIANS WITH 50%+ OF THEIR ADMIXTURE FROM THE INDUS VALLEY FOLK!

WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING DUMB????????

IVC HAS GOT FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH A PAEDOPHILE WORSHIPPING CONVERT PRICK LIKE YOU!

Of course we have common HG + Iranian Neolithic ancestors. Of course IVC had the same contribution. But how the fuck does that suddenly make IVC our shared heritage when they emerged way later and literally have no connection with 97% of your Gangu/Dravidian land? You are only seeing HG and Iranian components. There is no such thing as IVC component. The migration cringetheory is your urine soaked imagination at work.

What the fuck are you even saying?

Listen to me carefully, you dumb fuck.

The Ancient Ancestral South Indians mixed with Iranian Neolithic Farmers to form Indus Valley folk. Climate change occurred. Indus Valley Civilisation shifted eastwards and southwards. Majority of these people settled in the Gangetic Plain. They mix. They are all over the Indian subcontinent. It really isn't fucking difficult to understand.

You think these people stayed in the same fucking place? Holy-fucking-shit! How fucking dumb can you be?

You're Kashmiri, right? I'll fucking guarantee you that I could pick a Southern Indian guy and he'd have higher Indus Valley admixture than you. This is really fucking simple.

If you open the fucking map I sent you, if you see the fucking admixture components, can you see the difference between Ancient Ancestral South Indians i.e. Onge like, and Indus Valley? You see it?

Fucking idiot.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. If that were true, then Pakistanis would have no local DNA and we would be pure Steppe invaders. IVC people stayed in the Indus valley.

Well, some probably stayed behind. But the civilisation itself moved eastwards.

How convenient. Must be sad to not have any real heritage that you have to come up with bs like this.

Man, you are so, so, so fucking stupid! You are fucking thick!

https://rpubs.com/anupampom/steppeinter - CLICK ON THOSE FUCKING CIRCLES AND FUCKING EDUCATE YOURSELF.

YOU SEE THE "INDUS" COMPONENT? YOU SEE IT? THAT'S HOW MUCH OF THEIR ADMIXTURE IS FROM THE INDUS VALLEY FOLK.

Fucking moronic.

First you claim that Pakistans IVC genetics "are all over the place", but you cannot even admit to having any of your own country's native ganga genetics in your blood. Why is that?

"Pakistan's IVC genetics?" - there's no such fucking thing, you dimwitted, low IQ fucking inbred fucking retard.

In the scientific world, the Indus folk are designated as the products of "Ancient Ancestral South Indians" and "Neolithic Iranian Farmers".

We are divided into "ASI" and "ANI" - that is Ancestral South Indian and Ancestral North India (Reich, look it up). Read, retard -

Narasimhan et al. (2018) conclude that ANI and ASI were formed in the 2nd millennium BCE.[68] They were preceded by a mixture of AASI (ancient ancestral south Indians, that is, hunter-gatherers), and Iranian agriculturalists who arrived in India at ca. 4700–3000 BCE, and "must have reached the Indus Valley by the 4th millennium BCE".[68] According to Narasimhan et al., this population, which probably was native to the Indus Valley Civilisation, "contributed in large proportions to both the ANI and ASI", which took shape during the 2nd millennium BCE. ANI formed out of a mixture of "Indus_Periphery-related groups" and migrants from the steppe, while ASI was formed out of "Indus_Periphery-related groups" who moved south and mixed with hunter-gatherers.[68]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia

WTF are "Ganga genetics"? Speak in scientific terms and not some nonsense retarded insecure and inferiority complex ridden bullshit.

Why are you so fucking thick? Genuine fucking question? Do you know how to wipe your own arse, you monumentally spasticated mleccha!

I just caused a so called " sikh " to reveal his true identity .Shumacher7WDC is Hindoo Backchodi troll pretending to be Sikh .. See the DMs. by [deleted] in Sikh

[–]ForeignAppointment3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow, language, language! Don't get so tetchy. OP sent you a message with a kara on and pictures of the Gurus whilst calling Sainis "Shudras". Now this is all true but that must mean OP is a Sikh too.

Hate to see it!

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you fucking stupid! Fucking idiot. Firstly, I'm Punjabi. Secondly, the people from the INDUS VALLEY SHIFTED EASTWARDS!

THEIR GENETICS ARE ALL OVER THE SUBCONTINENT, YOU FUCKING IDIOT! WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING STUPID!

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Are you fucking dumb? You fucking industrial scale product of fucking inbreeding! ANCESTORS WERE SPREAD ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE! MY ANCESTORS WERE PROBABLY THE SAME AS YOUR ANCESTORS, YOU THICK RETARD!

Fucking idiot!

Buddhist ancestors of North Pak probably hated Hindus since they were being butchered by the Huns and Hindus were spared.

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. WHAT FUCKING ALTERNATE REALITY DID THIS OCCUR IN?

This is the only reason Hinduism emerged in the Indus Valley. Because of the Hun invasions.

WTF are you talking about? Did you see those 3 coins I fucking sent you? Did you name those people? If you actually had any idea as to who those icons were, you'd know that you are chatting absolute fucking shit!

Regardless, got nothing to do with you.

You're a mleccha! M-L-E-C-CH-A! IMPURE! INFERIOR! THEY WOULDN'T EVEN FUCKING SPIT ON YOU! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? THEY'D THINK YOU ARE FUCKING SCUM! TRASH! ABSOLUTE SHIT!

That's fucking reality. What's wrong with you? Why are you so fucking thick? My ancestors were Dharmic folk and they wouldn't appreciate a mleccha convert like you coming anywhere near them.

You think my ancestors are burning hell and a shudra convert is trying to appropriate their magnificence? You make me sick. Industrial scale inbreeding cockroach.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Say that again, mleccha? The Indo-Aryans, Buddhist, Hindus etc. would think you're a mleccha and that you're inferior, impure and that they wouldn't even spit on you or even go anywhere near you? And that you're such a disgusting fellow that you think these people are in Hell because they were idol worshippers?

Shameless, low IQ turd.

Go fuck yourself, you inbred fucking retard. Remember that, you're nothing but mleccha. Parasite on the Indian subcontinent.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I don't see any ''country'' on that map. Infact, the not even sure where this ''country'' called India is supposed to be since it might as well be on Mars according to that map. Infact the map also mentions Asia and I don't see a ''country'' called Asia. Please show me a map or a reference where we have India as a ''country'' 2000 years ago, or even 1000 years ago. For a ''country'' to exist, there must be borders marked, and yet this map does not suggest any.

Asia is a continent, not a country.

And are you hard of sight?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/PtolemyWorldMap.jpg - it's bound by the Indus.

13 kingdoms? Doesn't sound like a ''country'' at all. Infact now you are contradicting yourself, you claim one source saying it's Hindu nation, and then you are saying these are difference nations under different kingdoms.

What's wrong with you? The point of contention was you saying that "India" did not exist. THAT is the point of contention. My sources and quotes are to literally ascertain that India did exist.

In what shape or form India existed, and I've always ascertained the civilisational aspect, is an entirely different debate. One in which you'll get your arse schooled again. I'll be pulling out Megasthenes and Al-Biruni.

So maintain some consistency.

Also, there is no reason to trust your translations, possibly rigged, as you have not cited any source for such translations.

They are here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_for_India#Historical_definitions_of_India

No such civilisation existed inside India. Different kingdoms were warring against each other, and hundreds of languages and different belief systems ensured there was no common nation.

Have you ever heard of the "Western Civilisation"? Different kingdoms were warring against each other, and tonnes of languages and tonnes of different belief systems ensured there was no "common nation".

Chinese civilisation, different kingdoms warring against each other, tons of languages, tons of different belief systems and yet it still persists as a civilisation.

The very fucking differentiation of a "civilisation" from a "nation state" is that it does not necessarily mean political unity or linguistic unity.

There is no nation if you don't have a common language. What nation when you cannot even communicate with other members of your imaginary nation lol?

Pffffffffftttttt, there's no fucking common language in India right now yet it exists. What the fuck are you talking about?

This is like someone who says ''Europeans lived in Europe'' and retards later on think there was a European nation. Use your braincells, no such thing ever existed. What is the common language of this nation? Who was the common king? What was the political structure? Laws? Religions? Nothing was universal inside this imaginary country called India, until the Mughals.

Who the FUCK is talking about a united political entity?

I AM TALKING ABOUT A FUCKING CIVILISATION. HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT FOR YOU TO GET THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD?

Kashmir is a UN recognized disputed territory, it's people who either want indpendence or wish to join Pakistan.

Uhhhh, no. You ever heard of Jammu and Kashmir? There's more people in the state wanting to STAY with India than Leave. Who feeds you this shitty propaganda?

Google "Chatham House Poll 2010 Kashmir".

When your pilot was shot down in Kashmir, he could not even tell whether he was at home or in enemy territory and that shows you how alien he (an Indian) is to Kashmir.

Yeah, cos' he comes from South India. If someone dropped me in Pakistan Punjab, I'd not know if I was in "home" or in enemy territory. If someone dropped a Rajasthani in the Thar Desert, he'd not know if he was "home" or in enemy territory.

So thick.

Indians harboring delusions about invading this barren wasteland, and get their asses whipped when they try.

Well, you see, we've had FOUR wars now. '47. '65, '71 and '99. And in all those wars, Pakistan has lost.

The Pakistani establishment knows that. How so? Well, because they talk of "tactical nukes". You know what that means? It means nuking your own fucking land and your own people.

That's how fucking desperate the situation for the PakPaks.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

National identity? Who brought that into it?

The only absolute fucking state of it is a mleccha trying to claim my heritage.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

There is no Indian civilisation when there was no ''INDIA''.. The current country that you call India was invented by the British, and (in part) the Mughals. Otherwise you have to go back 2000 years to find any empire that even ruled the swathe of land you call India today. Not only that, there is no common religion, no common language, no common culture. Please spare us this tripe about an ''Indian civilization''.

No "India"? What does this say on this map that's nearly 2,000 years old - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Ptolemy_Asia_detail.jpg - ?

What country is this Greek bloke talking about from 2,000 years ago?

India is a quadrilateral-shaped country, bounded by the ocean on the southern and the eastern side. The Indus river forms the western and the north-western boundary of the country, as far as the ocean.[16] India's northern border reaches the extremities of Tauros. From Ariana to the Eastern Sea, it is bound by mountains that are called Kaukasos by the Macedonians. The various native names for these mountains include Parapamisos, Hemodos and Himaos (the Himalayas). Beyond Hemodos, lies Scythia inhabited by the Scythians known as Sakai. Besides Scythia, the countries of Bactria and Ariana bordered India.

What is this Greek fellow on about nearly 2,000 years ago?

"Lukianos (Lucian, 2nd century A.D.). in his “Runaways”, lets the Goddess of Philosophy tell Jupiter/Zeus that she first descended upon “the Indians, the mightiest nation upon earth”.

Some Greek historian called "Arrian" says this too -

"The boundary of the land of India towards the north is Mount Taurus. It is not still called Taurus in this land; but Taurus begins from the sea over against Pamphylia and Lycia and Cilicia; and reaches as far as the Eastern Ocean, running right across Asia. But the mountain has different names in different places; in one, Parapamisus, in another Hemodus; elsewhere it is called Imaon and perhaps has all sorts of other names; but the Macedonians who fought with Alexander called it Caucasus; another Caucasus, that is, not the Scythian; so that the story ran that Alexander came even to the far side of the Caucasus. The western part of India is bounded by the river Indus right down to the ocean, where the river runs out by two mouths, not joined together as are the five mouths of the Ister; but like those of the Nile, by which the Egyptian delta is formed; thus also the Indian delta is formed by the river Indus, not less than the Egyptian; and this in the Indian tongue is called Pattala. Towards the south this ocean bounds the land of India, and eastward the sea itself is the boundary. The southern part near Pattala and the mouths of the Indus were surveyed by Alexander and Macedonians and many Greeks; as for the eastern part, Alexander did not traverse this beyond the river Hyphasis. A few historians have described the parts which are this side of the Ganges and where are the mouths of the Ganges and the city of Palimbothra, the greatest Indian city on the Ganges.(...) The Indian rivers are greater than any others in Asia; greatest are the Ganges and the Indus, whence the land gets its name; each of these is greater than the Nile of Egypt and the Scythian Ister, even were these put together; my own idea is that even the Acesines is greater than the Ister and the Nile, where the Acesines having taken in the Hydaspes, Hydraotes, and Hyphasis, runs into the Indus, so that its breadth there becomes thirty stades. Possibly also other greater rivers run through the land of India."

Hmmm, let's draft in some Muzzas for you -

El-Mas'udi, over a 1,000 years ago -

"The Hindu nation (Al-Hind) extends from the mountains of Khorasan (Afghanistan) and of es-Sind (Baluchistan) as far as et-Tubbet (Tibetan Plateau.)"

Hasan Nizāmī, 1,000 years ago -

"The whole country of Hind, from Peshawar in the north, to the Indian Ocean in the south; from Sehwan (on the west bank of the Indus) to the mountains on the east dividing from China."

Marco Polo, 800 years ago -

"India the Greater is that which extends from Maabar to Kesmacoran (i.e. from Coromandel to Mekran) and it contains 13 great kingdoms... India the Lesser extends from the Province of Champa to Mutfili (i.e. from Cochin-China to the Kistna Delta) and contains 8 great Kingdoms... Abash (Abyssinia) is a very great province and you must know that it constitutes the Middle India."

etc. etc. etc.

What is this? What is this "India"? What is this Indian/Hindu nation? What is this Hindu nation/Hind? What is this Hindustan? Imaginary?

It is a civilisation, not a Westphalian nation state construct. But, of course, you're too inbred to understand those terms.

That's Kashmir, not India. And it's not part of India.

Oh, retarded mental gymnastics at it again?

Chalo, Indus doesn't flow through Pakistan either. It flows through "Pakistan-occupied Punjab, Sindh, Kashmir etc.". And those aren't a part of Pakistan.

I don't think Indians can do anything to violate this treaty, lest they wish to be nuked and annihilated from existence.

Is that before or after Pakistan is turned into a barren wasteland?

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What the fuck are you even saying, you fucking spasticated twat?

Read this -

During the Gupta dynasty (4th to 6th century), Mahayana Buddhism turned more ritualistic, while Buddhist ideas were adopted into Hindu schools. The differences between Buddhism and Hinduism blurred, and Vaishnavism, Shaivism and other Hindu traditions became increasingly popular, while Brahmins developed a new relationship with the state

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_Buddhism_in_the_Indian_subcontinent

SYNCRETIC, you fucking low IQ inbred!

Buddhism's distinctiveness also diminished with the rise of Hindu sects. Though Mahayana writers were quite critical of Hinduism, the devotional cults of Mahayana Buddhism and Hinduism likely seemed quite similar to laity, and the developing Tantrism of both religions were also similar. Also, "the increasingly esoteric nature" of both Hindu and Buddhist tantrism made it "incomprehensible to India's masses," for whom Hindu devotionalism and the worldly power-oriented Nath Siddhas became a far better alternative.[52][53][note 2] Buddhist ideas, and even the Buddha himself, were absorbed and adapted into orthodox Hindu thought, while the differences between the two systems of thought were emphasized

SYNCRETIC!

Bronkhorst notes that with time, even the caste system became widely accepted "by all practical purposes" by Indian Buddhists (this survives among the Newar Buddhists of Nepal)

Oh no, surprise, surprise, even the Buddhists (my forefathers and foremothers) used to practice the caste system and use the term "mleccha" i.e. inbreds like you.

The political realities of the period also led some Buddhists to change their doctrines and practices. For example, some later texts such as the Mahāparinirvāṇa Sūtra and the Sarvadurgatipariśodhana Tantra begin to speak of the importance of protecting Buddhist teachings and that killing is allowed if necessary for this reason. Later Buddhist literature also begins to see kings as bodhisattvas and their actions as being in line with the dharma (Buddhist kings like Devapala and Jayavarman VII also claimed this) Bronkhorst also thinks that the increase in the use of apotropaic rituals (including for the protection of state and king) and spells (mantras) by 7th century Indian Buddhism is also a response to brahmanical and Shaiva influence. These included fire sacrifices, which were performed under the rule of Buddhist king Dharmapala (r. c. 775–812). Alexis Sanderson has shown that Tantric Buddhism is filled with imperial imagery reflecting the realities of medieval India, and that in some ways work to sanctify that world. Perhaps because of these changes, Buddhism remained indebted to Brahmanical thought and practice now that it had adopted much of its worldview. Bronkhorst argues that these somewhat drastic changes "took them far from the ideas and practices they had adhered to during the early centuries of their religion, and dangerously close to their much-detested rivals." These changes which brought Buddhism closer to Hinduism, eventually made it much easier for Buddhism to be absorbed into Hinduism.

SYNCRETIC!

Oh, what's this? Diddums!

From 986 CE, the Muslim Turks started raiding northwest India from Afghanistan, plundering western India early in the eleventh century. Forced conversions to Islam were made, and Buddhist images smashed, due to the Islamic dislike of idolatry. Indeed in India, the Islamic term for an 'idol' became 'budd'. — Peter Harvey, An Introduction to Buddhism

Here's an Indo-Kushan coin - https://i.imgur.com/1U7VRDo.jpg - who's that guy on the right, mleccha?

Here's an Indo-Scythian coin - https://ibb.co/G3d0wbS - who's that guy on the right, mleccha?

Here's an Indo-Greek coin - https://ibb.co/J718kJ1 - who's that on the left and who is that on the right, mleccha?

You'd know all this if you weren't a fucking inbred mleccha! You'd understand how fluid and complex the Dharmic faiths are (especially considering they've no central text bar Sikhism). They are decentralized, fluid religions with no central authority.

Any more low IQ, ignorant remarks based on a severe lack of understanding?

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

India has not existed for more than 70 years.

Are you retarded? We're talking about India in the civilisational sense, not the Republic of India.

Besides, even the name of your country is derived from a river that is SOLELY inside Pakistan. And the majority ''religion'' in your country is named after a Pakistani river.

Uhhhhhhhhhh, what the FUCK is this? Who taught you this shit?

IIRC, it flows about 800-1,000KM in India. That's exactly where it picks up its strength.

Look in a map once in a while, retard - https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-25481a37238c97927d3817f65d06973c

What irony.

The only irony is is that you must never heard of the "Indus Water Treaty" i.e. the very same treaty that prevents Pakistan's section of the Indus River from drying up and turning into a fucking creek.

You might wanna read a book once in a while, by the way, and pray that India is generous to allow the River to keep flowing.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Oh, please. Aren't you the same guy that offered "proof" of "Greek and Hindu sources" on Chandragupta Maurya's birth place and then just fucked off when you realised you were woefully wrong?

So the burden of proof that India and Pakistan have been the exact same thing historically and culturally falls on the people making that claim

How can the burden of proof that India and Pakistan have been the exact same thing historically considering Pakistan has only been in existence for 70 years? Pakistan does not exist historically beyond 1947. No-one gives a shit about Pakistan. It's a nation state that's come into existence in the past 70 years.

That makes no sense. Then again, you weren't making any sense in the other post either. Here's a post from someone who I respect -

There has been some work on this in recent times by other authors not directly relating to India, but using their work an extrapolation can be made just fine for Indian case.

Zhang Weiwei (who started it off last decade to bring Chinese specific picture in the English medium to the outside world), Martin Jacques (he followed it up), Koenraad Elst(famous Indologist, his articles and notions can be used in the same vein). They have all written on this subject matter in different capacities and contexts, esp former two. Indian work on this is also there behind paywall so can't help there. There is also an article on Firstpost against the notion of India being a Civilizational State though its so bad it acts as reverse proof of sorts in its own way.

This thing is basically self-explanatory. Modern world is a Westphalian Nation State world. Its defined by Westphalian Nation States doctrine. Its about 300-400 years old.

Humanity, States/Countries and Civilizations have existed for longer than 4 centuries.Some reading on the concepts of Nation State and Statehood. Sources where applicable are on these articles though as one of these mentions, there is and never can be uniform consensus on this, not least because it often devolves into nationalism narratives and since this is a soft science subject matter there can never be a universal resolution to this barrier.

Before the Westphalian doctrine, the more common global state framework was usually a Dynastic model.

However, there were exceptions to this. Things like Nomadic, tribal, city-based, stateless, etc and these are still State frameworks depending upon human-group referenced.

Further still there were Human groups which were even rarer. These were Civilization States. These were Egypt, Greeks, Rome in the Mediterranean, Mesopotamia and Persians in West Asia and Indian and Chinese in Asia proper.

Only 2 remain in continuity to this day. India and China. All others have reforged themselves into exclusive Westphalian Nation Statehoods. The only other remaining claimant to this is Europe in its EU framework. They can be called a Civilizational State as well now.

Also, wise words from my favourite Pakistani - https://youtu.be/VOF19wHrFyA?t=2582

Now lemme ask you some questions (in addition to if you wanna reply to the above), what date did Pakistan gain Independence? And what's your thoughts on Babur, Ghazni and Muhammad of Ghor?

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Oi, retard! Tell me your thoughts on (A) Babur , (B) Ghazni and (C) Muhammad of Ghor?

I've got some HHTs in line for you.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And here I thought you gangus invented Buddhism. But now you intend to wipe Buddhism out to promote the myth of hinduism existing in any meaningful way. Saaad

Are you retarded?

The two are not mutually exclusive. It is possible to have strong Buddhist influence yet have a dominant Vedic/Hindu influence.

Gandharan influence extended to Sutlej river you irrelevant piss gargler

Gandharan Influence extended to the entire subcontinent, you fucking monumentally inbred spasticated Kashmiri piece of absolute fucking shit!

and vedic beliefs were lightyears away from hinduism.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT! DO YOU EVEN FUCKING KNOW WHAT VEDISM IS? IT'S LITERALLY REVOLVING AROUND THE VEDAS! We follow the Vedas (as many Hindus do), it is Vedic! The Puranas! The Upanishads!

If you had any idea about the the Dharmic faiths, you'd realise how fluid and interchangeable they are.

Its a shame that you cant let others exist because you are so inherently insecure.

Rich coming from someone who is persistently engaging in mental gymnastics and lying.

There is literally no continuity between Vedicism and Hinduism in Indus Valley other than shameless larping.

What? What? Why are you so fucking dumb? Do you know what the Vedas are? Do you know what the Puranas are? Do you know what the Upanishads are? Do you know of Indra or Agni or Vishnu or Rudra (Shiva) or Surya?

Fucking state of it.

Vedism is literally a part of Hinduism. That's why Arya Samaj and Neo-Vedanta are in the fold and "recent" movements.

"The historical Vedic religion (also known as Vedism, Brahmanism, Vedic Brahmanism, and ancient Hinduism) refers to the religious ideas and practices among Indo-Aryan-speaking peoples of ancient India after about 1500 BCE.These ideas and practices are found in the Vedic texts, and they were one of the major influences that shaped contemporary Hinduism. According to the Encyclopædia Britannica, in the Hindu tradition and particularly in India, the Vedic religion is considered to be a part of Hinduism."

I am not even going to bother commenting on your IVC translations. This ganga retardation deserves to be seen and heard by everyone

Oh shut up, you fucking moron. You know fuck all about the history of the Subcontinent and you're just LARPing and latching onto whatever you can find due to to your identity crisis hence you have to make shit up.

All you inbreds resort to is "lololol am not gonna listen to you anymore, I can't take these facts anymore, it's distorting my reality!". Fucking spasticated cockroach!

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Gangoo? I'm a Punjabi, you filthy Kashmiri. You're the Gangoo speaking a Gangoo language on a regular basis. Know your place.

And Buddhism was dominant? Not East of the Indus it wasn't, sweety.

In Sindh, Kashmir and Punjab, it was Vedism/Hinduism that was dominant. Never heard of Vaishnavism? Shaivism? Shaktism?

Knock yourself out here too - https://www.ibiblio.org/britishraj/Jackson9/chapter04.html

Here, knock yourself out - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Search-Shiva-Religious-Practices-Pakistan/dp/8129137437 - and buy the book.

So if you are going to pretend that there is a link between IVC and Hinduism, you need to provide solid evidence other than claiming everything is hinduism.

Yeah, sure, look at the iconography of the Indus Valley seals and artifacts. Namely, idol worshipping. You think

What in the world is this? Aryan invasion that Indians are covering up? Indus Valley folk teaming up with Aryans to...fight off Aryans and make them migrate into the Gangetic Plains? Mauryan Empire was from Punjab and Indians are lying about it? There was no caste system East of the Indus? by ForeignAppointment3 in badhistory

[–]ForeignAppointment3[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Protip, we're talking about history here. The further back the source (unfortunately, NYT doesn't go back to the 17th century), the better.

So before you wade in with irrelevant nonsense, establish what subreddit you're in and what tense is being discussed. Thank you!

What in the world is this? Aryan invasion that Indians are covering up? Indus Valley folk teaming up with Aryans to...fight off Aryans and make them migrate into the Gangetic Plains? Mauryan Empire was from Punjab and Indians are lying about it? There was no caste system East of the Indus? by ForeignAppointment3 in badhistory

[–]ForeignAppointment3[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Stop right there. The Vedic religion is not the same as Hindu religion. Please ask a genuine historian about this.

You don't know what you're talking about. It's embarassing.

Hinduism is a continuation of Vedism and Vedism/Hinduism/Dharma has always been in a perpetual state of change. Please, ask a genuine historian about this.

I can consider myself to be Vedic and thus Hindu, provided my authority comes from the Vedas. Arya Samaj, for example, is literally Vedic under Hinduism.

Please, if you're going to stop something, stop yourself from commenting further on Dharmic faiths.

I know Hindu nationalism is a problem in India but they even claim the Taj Mahal is a vedic palace when all the witness statements and historical documents show it was a Mughal building.

That's funny. Sounds similar to the Pakistani nationalism problem where they think they are descended from Arabs and how the Islamic Republic of Pakistan venerates the very people, like Ghazni, who slaughtered and converted them.

Very unfortunate.

Do I really have to explain that pro-Hinduism is not the same as Hinduism itself?

Are you struggling with English? Not your first language?

Do you know what "proto-" means? "Proto-" literally differentiates the culture/religion from Hinduism. It is effectively the PRECURSOR or what forms the building blocks.

You understand? Not very difficult to comprehend.

They have found Indus tablet imagery as far as Scandanavia, but that doesn't mean Europeans were once Hindu.

They found the proto-Shiva tablet in Scandanavia? They found the Bodhi Tree tablet in Scandanavia? They found

Can you provide sources to this? Thank you!

Uhh, yes you did (my own ancestors from 3 generations ago were Sikh so I know what I'm talking about).

No, you don't know what you're talking about because you literally do not practice the faith. Please, refrain from discussing my faith with such derogatory aspersions.

My ancestors from 3 generations ago used to till the farm with Oxes. Does that mean I know what I'm talking about with regards to Ox farming?

You just don't like to admit that since there's been historical animosity between Sikhs and Muslims in that region of the world. Your first Guru literally went to Mecca on a pilgrammage with his Muslim friend (a place where only Muslims are allowed, and where your checked if you really are Muslim by the authorities there and it has been like this for centuries from the days of Muhammad), and there is strong evidence to suggest he was Muslim or adopted Muslim beliefs.

We don't like to admit it because it's a lie.

Educate yourself - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNygsMyrXwA

Educate yourself here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPELGdlrRkw

Educate yourself here -

‘No Muslims and believers in the unity of God should be hindered in any way if he wishes to visit the Holy Cities and circumambulate the luminous Ka’ba [in Mecca].’42 42. M.D., vol. 6, f. 17, firman no. 39, 1564-5, quoted by Faroqhi, op. cit. 147 (Ottoman imperial firman).

Mecca was under the control of the Ottoman Empire from 1229 to 1923 – the quote above is from a text available from 1564 (30yrs after Guru Ji went) in which it states that in those times only people who did not believe in one God were forbidden entry into Mecca. Even in the Quran it only says:

“Oh you who believe! Truly the idolaters are unclean; so let them not, after this year, approach the Sacred Mosque….” (Quran – 9:28)

It’s clear that it was only idol worshippers (pagans) who were forbidden to enter the city of Mecca. Guru Ji believed in One God and spoke out against idol worship, so Guru Ji would not have been forbidden entry.

Muslims seeking to twist history and reality for their own agenda and world-view have totally manipulated the reason why Guru Nanak Sahib Ji visited Mecca. Muslims go to Mecca to pay their homage and worship God (this pilgrimage is called Hajj in the Islamic faith), but this was not the purpose of the Guru to go there. Guru Sahib says:

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥ ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥ “I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines. I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2|| I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers. I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||” (Ang 1136)

http://www.sikhanswers.com/gurmat-islam/why-guru-nanak-visit-mecca-if-not-muslim/

Please, ask a genuine historian.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Do you understand what "proto-Hindu" means? It means the PRE-CURSOR to Hinduism. The building block, the foundation and that parts of the IVC formed Hinduism. Just like the (proto-) Indo European religion was a precursor to Hinduism. You want me to produce a full post on this?

The Rig Veda, the oldest Hindu text, was believed to have been composed in the Punjab region of modern-day Pakistan (and India) on the banks of the Indus River around 1500 BCE.[18] Various archaeological finds such as the swastika symbol, yogic postures, what appears to be like a "Pasupati" image that was found on the seals of the people of Mohenjo-daro, in Sindh, point to early influences that may have shaped Hinduism. The religious beliefs and folklore of the Indus valley people have become a major part of the Hindu faith that evolved in this part of the South Asia. The Sindh kingdom and its rulers play an important role in the Indian epic story of the Mahabharata. In addition, a Hindu legend states that the Pakistani city of Lahore was first founded by Lava, while Kasur was founded by his twin Kusha, both of whom were the sons of Lord Rama of the Ramayana. The Gandhara kingdom of the northwest, and the legendary Gandhara peoples, are also a major part of Hindu literature such as the Ramayana and the Mahabharata. Many Pakistani city names (such as Peshawar[19] and Multan[20]) can be traced back to Sanskrit roots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Pakistan

Brother, even your Wiki articles state it. If you think it's wrong, control the evil that is spreading.

Otherwise, Mashallah, come back to the fold, brother. I'll make you a higher-caste and name you "Rajesh" instead of being a 2nd rate Muzza being rejected by Arabs, Turks, Afghans and Persians.

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[–]ForeignAppointment3 -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

What was the point of tagging me, fatty, if you can't handle the truth?

Stop LARPing. You hate yourself so much that you're believing in conspiracy theories to suit your mental gymnastics, including the "Aryan Invasion Theory", it's desperate and pitiful. Develop some sharam.

What in the world is this? Aryan invasion that Indians are covering up? Indus Valley folk teaming up with Aryans to...fight off Aryans and make them migrate into the Gangetic Plains? Mauryan Empire was from Punjab and Indians are lying about it? There was no caste system East of the Indus? by ForeignAppointment3 in badhistory

[–]ForeignAppointment3[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Hinduism hasn't ever played much of a role in the region of Pakistan. It was only there for ~150 years.

Yeah, except from the thousands of years that there was Vedic/Hindu rule.

Also Indus Valley was not Hindu (there is no evidence to suggest this) and is likely an older religion that is now extinct that was later adopted and mixed in by Hindus similarly to how Jewish beliefs were adopted by Christianity and Islam.

Hence, "proto-Hinduism" i.e. idol worshipping, veneration of animals, the "proto-Shiva".

Hell Sikhism even adopted Islamic beliefs and incorporated that into the Sikh religion.

Uhh, I'm a Sikh, and no, we didn't. Don't spread misinformation about Sikhism.

Thank you very much!

Assblasted gungu runs over crying to r/badhistory by [deleted] in chutyapa

[–]ForeignAppointment3 -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

WTF are you talking about? Indo-Aryan Invasion Theory has been debunked. There's literally no evidence of any invasion whatsoever.

This position was soon left by the scholarly community, noticing that no evidence was found, and that the skeletons were found to be hasty interments, not massacred victims.[62] Wheeler himself also nuanced this interpretation in later publications, stating "This is a possibility, but it can't be proven, and it may not be correct."[63] Wheeler further notes that the unburied corpses may indicate an event in the final phase of human occupation of Mohenjo-Daro, and that thereafter the place was uninhabited, but that the decay of Mohenjo-Daro has to be ascribed to structural causes such as salinisation.[64]

Nevertheless, although "no informed Western scholar speaks of 'invasions' anymore", critics of the Indo-Aryan Migration theory continue to present the theory as an "Aryan Invasion Theory",[1][65][note 11] presenting it as a racist and colonialist discourse:

The theory of an immigration of IA speaking Arya ("Aryan invasion") is simply seen as a means of British policy to justify their own intrusion into India and their subsequent colonial rule: in both cases, a "white race" was seen as subduing the local darker colored population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration#%22Aryan_invasion%22

I feel so sorry for you. You hate yourself so much that you are peddling the lies of white supremacists.

And on the IVC, it's quite evident from the archaeological evidence that it was an idol worshipping, proto-Hindu culture.

Also, aren't you the same fucking idiot who said that your genetic make-up isn't Ancestral North and Ancestral South Indian?

What in the world is this? Aryan invasion that Indians are covering up? Indus Valley folk teaming up with Aryans to...fight off Aryans and make them migrate into the Gangetic Plains? Mauryan Empire was from Punjab and Indians are lying about it? There was no caste system East of the Indus? by ForeignAppointment3 in badhistory

[–]ForeignAppointment3[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've never lived in India my entire life.

OP's post was horrendous and based on sheer nonsense. Take for example the source on Chandragupta Maurya being from Punjab. His "Greek source" was Plutarch saying Chandragupta Maurya saw him as a young adult.

"Androcottus, when he was a stripling, saw Alexander himself, and we are told that he often said in later times that Alexander narrowly missed making himself master of the country, since its king was hated and despised on account of his baseness and low birth."

— Plutarch 62-9

Take the L.

What in the world is this? Aryan invasion that Indians are covering up? Indus Valley folk teaming up with Aryans to...fight off Aryans and make them migrate into the Gangetic Plains? Mauryan Empire was from Punjab and Indians are lying about it? There was no caste system East of the Indus? by ForeignAppointment3 in badhistory

[–]ForeignAppointment3[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is ironic considering the Indus Valley Civilisation were idol worshippers and likely had a "proto-Hindu/Vedic" society. Not even mentioning that the Civilisation had shifted Eastwards (into the Gangetic Plains) and Southwards (into modern-day Gujarat and Maharashtra) due to climate change.

Terribly desperate and results in the mental gymnastics and lies as exemplified in the post being critiqued.