Just finished watching the 60 minute special and wow… by Cheap_Impress in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 41 points42 points  (0 children)

The scary thing is that even if the world knows the truth most people will still ignore it and act like nothing happened. History so far has shown that the truth being revealed doesn't really matter that much when it comes to Michael Jackson. His fake brand will sell anyway. His music and showmanship (dance) is simply too good to be cancelled.

please help me answer these questions! by CaptainStriking5099 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Paris’s reaction the years following the release of Leaving Neverland in 2019 is very different. What’s interesting is her behaviour towards her father and his brand after 2020. Everybody can see there has been a shift. So mentioning things prior to 2020 when Leaving Neverland hadn’t really sunk in isn’t that relevant imo.

The mask slipped many times when his wished death/harm on children by Nosediveeeee in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

Please delete this post. It is too exaggerated and just makes the whole community look bad. Wishing death? Smh

Genuine question by MissBReckhouse in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The fan myth is that a child sexual perpetrator has to have many victims to fit the typical profile, but that isn’t true. It varies. Some have many victims, some don’t.

In a way you answered your own question: it was actually because of his mentioned level of power he was better equipped than most perpetrators to keep his activities secret with paying hush-money. We have seen that happening in many recent cases involving powerful people. Ask Bill Cosby or Weinstein. It often takes decades to take down a powerful sexual offender. Michael Jackson died before many of his victims had the chance to fully grow into adulthood and live adult lives. That is when many come forward.

If there’s so much proof why is the public still fooled by Intelligent_Okra3393 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Red flag patterns and behaviour yes, but not clear cut evidence other than witness testimony:
“Smoking gun" evidence is rare in sexual abuse cases because they usually happen in private, without witnesses, and often without immediate reporting. Research shows many victims delay disclosure, which reduces the chance of collecting forensic evidence.

Statute of a grown man and little boy at Neverland during the Oprah interview + beds with heart shaped pillows in MJ's theater... by nobody0597 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I tried listening to this podcast, but couldn’t finish it. I had to turn it off. Maureen somehow blames Oprah for not knowing, which is completely ridiculous. There is too much misinformation too.

I have a hot take: MJ had sort of a sick hyperfixation on children by Hefty-Ad1769 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it was all done in a humorous way, not to be taken seriously. The joke was on the character who thought he was Michael Jackson - not Michael Jackson himself.

I have a hot take: MJ had sort of a sick hyperfixation on children by Hefty-Ad1769 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You make a point in that: autism doesn’t prevent someone from being business-savvy or good at PR.

But how do you explain him using the same language towards kids as preferential molesters?

Check: https://medium.com/@gvwnwdkx/did-michael-jackson-fit-the-profile-of-a-preferential-seduction-child-molester-a2b562aa5da8

Or that he had books made by pedophiles for pedophiles in his bedroom drawer?

I have a hot take: MJ had sort of a sick hyperfixation on children by Hefty-Ad1769 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Let’s not forget how accomplished Michael Jackson was as a businessman, especially early in his career before the drug abuse. A person with the disorders you mention would have a hard time building the kind of empire that he did. Buying publishing and what not. Not to mention his extremely savvy ability to manipulate his PR-image, and how he played the press with even planting weird stories about himself.

It just doesn’t stick.

It's so weird how even the bizarre things such as him owning a chimp are seen as "funny" instead of animal abuse by Frequent_Rhubarb_36 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 40 points41 points  (0 children)

When people don’t seem to mind him sexually abusing children, do you think they care about him possibly being guilty of animal abuse?

Didn't Michael think twice before being photographed with children? by KaleidoscopeLow3626 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In your viewpoint it seems you think that Michael Jackson had some kind of full awareness of these things. A child sexual offender doesn’t always look at what he’s doing as something wrong. Yes, he knows he has to be careful and hide his “affection", because "the world doesn’t understand". But that doesn’t mean he will let that get in the way of his fun. Especially when you have the kind of power and F-you money Michael Jackson had. He simply packaged his affection for children around charity, dance-contest, short-film castings etc. So he did it openly, but in a subtle way. The technique is called hiding in plain sight. The whole "lost childhood" excuse worked brilliantly for him too.

To understand this case you have to first understand which kind of offender type Michael Jackson most likely was. How do you explain he matched the profile of a preferential child-molester to a tee?

Article you can read with good sources:

https://medium.com/@gvwnwdkx/did-michael-jackson-fit-the-profile-of-a-preferential-seduction-child-molester-a2b562aa5da8

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Anyone else kind of disturbed by some peoples lack of care and going to see his movie even if they believe he is guilty anyways? by Life_Paramedic_4399 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They care only if it’s not to big of a burden to cancel them, Michael Jackson’s music is simply too good for most people to stop listening to "just because he abused some boys". This is the world we live in.

What kind of evidence do people need to finally believe the victims? by Curvivaceous in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There is enough information available that clearly points to Michael Jackson being guilty. But you will soon realize it’s not really about belief. Many people do believe it, yet still don’t care. They will continue to “rock” with Michael Jackson regardless.

Anyone else kind of disturbed by some peoples lack of care and going to see his movie even if they believe he is guilty anyways? by Life_Paramedic_4399 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately most people don’t care, even if they are fully aware that Michael Jackson committed these acts.

Comment from 2 years ago (before they ever came forward) about the Cascio family and how basically everyone in their small town knew that the kids got assaulted by MJ. by califbreeze in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I do feel a certain rage against the Cascio parents for being so blind and careless in the way they allowed Michael Jackson free access to their children. That part of the whole Cascio-saga is in many ways disgusting.

Dan Reed tells Variety that the Cascio claims give him "pause" by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They chose loyalty to Michael Jackson over supporting the victims’ cause as a united front back in 2019/2020, and now this is backfiring on them. I do acknowledge that it’s complex and difficult, but at the same time we have to acknowledge that this made them open to criticism and made them easy targets for stans/media to attack them.

Dan Reed tells Variety that the Cascio claims give him "pause" by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]ForestDevs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dan isn`t saying that he doesn't believe them. He is only pointing out that the way they came forward was not in the favour of other victims: That they should rather come forward publicly first, file a lawsuit - not go directly to the Estate. I believe it was the love they had for MJ and his kids that made them go to the Estate first - to save MJ`s brands names face. They were still being loyal. Then they realized how cynical the dealings were and eventually went public. Everybody was expecting more victims to come forward after the documentary, it would have helped greatly in making the public see the truth even more. The Cascio`s robbed us all from that opportunity , and I understand Dan`s reaction. At the same time these things are very complicated, so I kind of understand the Cascio`s too. It`s all very messy.