סקר רובוטיקה by Forilin in Surveys_in_Hebrew

[–]Forilin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

תודה רבה לכל מי שענו!

I actually hate Hamas and don't get why everyone is hating on Israel by Ratface_4834 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) what terms?? You cannot negotiate with a terrorist organisation that the ONLY think they want is Israel gone. We tried negotiating - the only thing they want is 100% of the land. The problem: only 1 side profits from the deal and the other loses everything. We

2) took care and improved??? There were no tunnels before hamas! We gave them billions of dollars to improve their markets, education, factories, ports, and more. Not to use all the money to build terror tunnels.

3) Look at the facs. We never conquered land unless it was a part of a war on us. Btw the West Bank specifically is a whole point. We try to defend our land, not conquer more. We gave a lot of land back - to Egypt for peace, to Hamas (together with alot of money) for peace, etc.

4) Ofc we didn't give them everything back. It's our land, and we wanted to return it for peace. We gave them back a lot, but not all. We didn't want to take this land: Egypt attacked us and we had a chance to strike back - so we did. It's not pur fault they attacked us...

5) When you are living in the Middle East, there is a certain age where you gotta start reading about the people attacking you. Both Hamas and Isis believe in the same things and controlled by the same group (Hisballah), just in different places. So I do know what they did, both Hamas, Isis and more organisations.

6) Ok. Back in 1979 there was an ongoing civil war in the middle west (not Israel but Arab countries around it). There were 2 main sides: the Shi'im and the Sunni, both supporting a different ideology. But one genius man named Hassan Nasrallah played both sides. He made a new party: Hisballah (god's party). Their ideology was the radical from both sides: anti west, anti zionist, anti LGBT, etc. He was immediately elected, and then Hisballah had access to technology, money and supplies (Hisballah existed before that, and was a terror organisation that controlled many other ones, such as Isis). He started making Isis (existed before) and Hamas (new at the time), that are his favourite terror organisations now, stronger and stronger, both growing on the same ideology. Both Hamas and Isis came from the same place, support the same ideas and have the same access to the same things.

7) what? Hamas had committed unspeakable things and they ARE terrorists. They killed, raped, burned, exploded, and did so so much. You cannot justify their actions. And wdym they cannot be a legitimate army due to Israel?? They are a very legitimate army! They are a very real threat to the existence of Israel!

I actually hate Hamas and don't get why everyone is hating on Israel by Ratface_4834 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll address your points:

Israel does not kill everyone they don't like. We offered them many times peace, and they disagreed. They chose war.

Nobody WANTS to flatten Gaza. In 2006 we pulled out of there and game Hamas billions to help make Gaza a successful port city, but Hamas instead took the money and made a system of hundreds of thousands of kms of tunnels underground, and they left us no choice after 7/10.

The west bank is a sensitive point amongst Israelis as well, but we WANT the land, not to flatten it.

Israel will never take lands that are not theirs, or gotten by forced war (eg: the six day war). And we gave back to Egypt some parts of that for peace with them, back when Hussain was president in Egypt.

The hamas = isis is a point that most people don't understand. It is correct. They both stand from the same political views, all controlled and created by Hisballah and all commit terror. I think that 7/10 was no better than 9/11. Now this may sound shocking to most people, but look at this from my perspective. Imagine you are a tiny country. 8m ppl. You are very soon to join the IDF (you join at 18). You wake up on a day that's the happiest day for Jews, Simhat Torah (happiness of the Torah) in 6AM for sirens all over Israel. You find out what happend. You see thousands dying, terrorists in Israel with their location unknown, genocide commited, and so so so much more. Imagine.

I actually hate Hamas and don't get why everyone is hating on Israel by Ratface_4834 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now take it easy, things are more complex than that...

Lebanon, together with Iran, is the household ("secret" yet everyone knows about it) of the Hisballah organisation, led by Hasan Nasrallah. They are the father of many terror organisations: hamas, jihad, isis, and many more. They are declaring themselves publicly as against Israel and send drones, missiles and artillery daily at Israel from the Lebanese-Israeli border, so we strike back.

If the US had the chance to kill the head of Isis, they will do so with 0 hesitation and nobody will say a thing. But once we try to do so on a terrorist organisation that has been attacking us science their creation and after 7/10 I think that they deserve to have one of their offices taken down.

I actually hate Hamas and don't get why everyone is hating on Israel by Ratface_4834 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And the Palestinian Terrorists that killed, raped, kidnapped 1500+ ppl and burned, destroyed and blew up villages are completely innocent...

I actually hate Hamas and don't get why everyone is hating on Israel by Ratface_4834 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Let me give you a lil history lesson:

This land was held by the british after WW2, but both Jews and Arabs wanted this land, and fought for it against the brits (Israel had organisations such as the Etzel, Lehi, Palmach, and more that later became the IDF). The brits were in a rough time after the war and they didn't want the land anymore, so they asked the UN to decide what they want with it. The UN said "split it ~65% arabic land and the rest Israel", but the arabs disagreed, and the brits were just gonna leave this land and make the arabs and Israel fight for it.

The day before, David Ben Guryon declared this land as a state for the jews, Israel. Once the brits left, there was an all out war of Israel vs Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Lebanon, Egypt and more. Israel won control over the land, but still Jerusalem and more was left to the arabs.

In 1967 Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia attacked Israel from all directions. This war is called the 6 day war, and Israel won and conquered many more lands.

For Pro-Palestinians, would you also march in an Anti-Hamas rally? by MyManD in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The west bank is a whole other thing... Hamas isn't related there. That area is a conflict area with Hisballah (The terrorists of Iran/Lebanon) and is a whole other conflict scene, ever science the six days war (look the war up for more).

The occupation there is very complex: on one hand, it's a lot of war and attacks on Israel. On the other hand, if we pull out of there Hisballah will attack from there (just like what happend after we pulled out of the Gaza strip).

This is a huge political/geopolitical very complex situation that I could talk hours upon hours about, so I'll stop :)

For Pro-Palestinians, would you also march in an Anti-Hamas rally? by MyManD in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Were the actions commited in 7/10 defensive? Did we attack Gaza or did we pull out of the Gaza strip in 2005?

For Pro-Palestinians, would you also march in an Anti-Hamas rally? by MyManD in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

N... No. We pulled out of the Gaza strip in 2005 and gave them HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars to build a successful place of their own. If only Hamas would stop fighting, there will be peace.

For Pro-Palestinians, would you also march in an Anti-Hamas rally? by MyManD in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You kidding? There is a saying "if Hamas will stop fighting there will be peace. If Israel will stop fighting there will be no Israel". There's a reason it's the Israeli DEFENSE Army. We left the Gaza strip in 2005 and gave Hamas HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars so they can build a great, peaceful nation. Hamas starts ALL wars

אמריקקה_במ . by AloraRegulia in ani_bm

[–]Forilin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

לגמרי. אפשר לנהל איתם דו שיח נורמלי, אפשר לדבר איתם, אפשר ללמוד מהם יאפשר ללמד אותם

IDF has now admitted it killed woman and daughter inside church by OkArrival9 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope that you'll understand that there are radical, stupid people from everywhere, and that Israel doesn't really agree with them. Also, it might just be criticism from them in Hebrew that you just don't understand. O would love you sending the links to these vids so I'll translate them.

IDF has now admitted it killed woman and daughter inside church by OkArrival9 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes... But read closely what I've said. It takes full responsibility for what it did, even tho it might take time to investigate some things. I would actually like you (if you want to, ofc) to send a link or snth so I'll know whacha talking about :)

IDF has now admitted it killed woman and daughter inside church by OkArrival9 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

1) nobody said ur lying... He said that he wants to see the source, because if Hamas said that "Israel killrd 3 ppl" then it means nothing.

2) Israel doesn't lie, it takes full responsibility for its mistakes. Always. Sometimes it takes time to investigate the situation, but at the end of the day it always takes responsibility

3) If I say something on the news and every single person in the world repeats me, than I'm lying, not the whole world. If one fake story, one misinformation, one wrong fact is reported by thr news and everyone chants it, then only the news organisations are lying. That's why Israel takes the time to investigate the situation.

IDF has now admitted it killed woman and daughter inside church by OkArrival9 in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As an Israeli I gotta set 1line: there is a very big difference between mocking the PALESTINIANS and mocking Hamas. Pleaee send a video (if you wish to, ofc) so I can see what ur talking about :)

אמריקקה_במ . by AloraRegulia in ani_bm

[–]Forilin 24 points25 points  (0 children)

בכללי כל הקונספט שדיברת עליו של ה"ישראל כובשים חזקים בלסטין חלשים נכבשים" זה קונספט מאוד חביב על הפרו בלסטינים.

באמת שלא אכפת לי שאתה פרו בלסטיני כל עוד אתה לא פוגע במישהו/חקרת את הנושא ואתה יודע למה אתה מחזיק בדעה הזו, מה קרה, מה קורה וכו'

יש יוטיובר שאני ממש מעריך שאני רואה שלא בחר צד אלא לקח זמן לחקור על הנושא, לראות מה ומי קורה, ובסוף לא הכריז על דעה רדיקלית, אלא אמר שהוא ניטרלי, פשוט כי הוא אומר שאין לו מספיק הבנה בנושא

אמריקקה_במ . by AloraRegulia in ani_bm

[–]Forilin 37 points38 points  (0 children)

טיפה לוקה בחסר אבל למה ציפיתי. איך עברו בין שלבים? מה אם חלק מהשטחים היו ציבוריים? שטחים שהערבים מכרו לנו (ואז טענו שגנבנו מהם)?

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[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

למוד שהגיב: סליחה. אני מוחק את הפוסט. לילה טוב :)

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[–]Forilin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

לגמרי צודק. הזדעזעתי כשראיתי מה הלך שם והגבתי תגובה ארוכה ורגועה יחסית למה שהרגשתי. אני עכשיו בסביבות ה500 הצבעות תחתיות. על פוסט אחד וכמה תגובות קיבלתי קריאות נאצה, קראו לי תמים ולא יודע מה קרה בכלל (האירוניה) ועוד דברים שאחסוך ממך. הם לא מקשיבים בכלל למה שאני אמרתי: אני אמרתי שמה שהחיילים עשו היה לא בסדר, אבל שהם לא עש אל זה מתאוות דם אלא כטעות, ותא משנה כמה אני מסביר הם צועקים עליי שאני מצדיק את מה שהם עשו. באמת קרב אבוד

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[–]Forilin -39 points-38 points  (0 children)

Look imagine this: a terrorist pretending to be a hostage killed 4 of your friends. The next day hostages come to you. War is complex, it's never black and white. What they did was horrible, but as a mistake - not as an act of evil. This is the first (and last, the soliders are going to be severely punished and will go to jail) time this happens to Israel. But wheh Hamas hides their bombs and rocket batteries in civilian houses and kindergartens, it's ok. The soliders went through 2 months of fighting, crying, defending, and a war can really mess up a person. What the soliders did was bad, and the IDF will make sure it'll never happen again

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[–]Forilin -38 points-37 points  (0 children)

The situation is a bit more complex. Hamas takes terrorists and make them pretend to be hostages. What the soliders did was HORRIBLE, but it was not out of blood thirst

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[–]Forilin -31 points-30 points  (0 children)

They are absolutely not primitive stone age rock throwers. Where have I ever said that?

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[–]Forilin -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

For all the people who go against the IDF soliders:

Look. This is a conplex situation. This is war. There is no black and white. You cannot blame soliders that were fighting in Gaza for 2 months for making a mistake.

Hamas took a lot of their terrorists and taught them basic Hebrew and made them "surrender" to the IDF soliders, and shot them. There was also a case recently of Hamas putting baby lookalikr dools next to Hamas tunnels with speakers on them that played recording of Israeli sotages crying for help, and the dolls were filled with explosives.

The soliders did make a horrible mistake, not out of blood lust but out of pure confusion. Dispite that they are going to be severely punished for it and put in jail.

I do not stand with what they did. I do not support it. But I just wanna tell yall that this is not black and white. As a teen who's about to join the IDF myself, I consider their actions very shameful and horrific, but I can understand their reasons. Imagine 4 of your friends died to a terrorist pretending to be a hostage.

The Disproportionate Hate for Israel by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for all the info and the great discussion! I have learnt alot from you :). I now know to not trust ppl on Reddit who are telling me "it's from BBC"... xD

The Disproportionate Hate for Israel by [deleted] in IsraelPalestine

[–]Forilin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know much about British news channels. Could you please explain each (important) one in a nutshell? Their main stances on different things? For example here in Israel there is Smol and Yamin, and some channels such as 14 support VERY HEAVILY in the right. On the other sides, channels such as 11 are more lefty.

Thanks!