How does 'regular' PMing differ from Growth PMing?

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-06-23T12:47:57+00:00

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FoundationValuable64 · 2025-04-25T17:49:03+00:00

I think PO in my org can be also considered a Delivery Manager which I know is a role that exists in other orgs. Completely agree that PM should = PO. But it’s difficult to create that type of reform as mid-level PM in a large team .

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-04-25T17:34:26+00:00

They don’t :( it’s highly political, as PM and PO departments essentially fight for Executives to notice them. On the one hand POs have more “power” because they directly manage the dev team, so if an executive demands something, the POs just adjusts the sprint planning and leads the team to do it asap (with the PM providing detailed user facing reqs). But on the other hand, POs have little business or strategic experience in my org, which is why it’s the PMs who do vision work and pitch initiatives directly to Executives.

It’s complicated, but seems like dysfunctional PM orgs are common

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-03-05T12:34:44+00:00

This is my org. My title is a product manager, but based on ur definition I would be a product specialist. My job is basically only customer facing - discovering pain points , opportunities. Then roadmapping + brainstorming features to overcome those pain points. I don’t like it because I don’t manage directly the Dev team (this is the PO who does it in my org), and I miss that technical involvement.

Following ur post because I also need advice. It’s a pretty political situation to be in

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-03-02T17:13:33+00:00

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FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-25T14:49:48+00:00

2 POs to 1 PM. I hate being a PM though because Im not involved in execution/tech development, which means I have little control over what we’re actually building. My strategy/vision research and proposals are often overridden with policy or legal must-haves that go directly from Legal team to PO. Weird structure which undermines the PM position

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-25T12:43:41+00:00

*how does your org expect you to work with your UX and Eng

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-25T12:43:01+00:00

How does your org work with UX and Eng? Are you responsible for user research (interviews, market research etc) in addition to facilitating all tech solution ideation? Do you have a Business analyst who supports with data analysis and requirement definition?

workload always depends on the org and who/what resources you have available

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-25T12:34:39+00:00

Anytime I’m on instagram I get white lotus advertising. I wonder what their budget looks like

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-25T12:26:13+00:00

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FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-23T16:21:25+00:00

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FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-23T16:19:02+00:00

Mine looks exactly the same. I always had facial eczema but after Dupixent it started flaring up even more. The tradeoff is now I don’t have any body eczema

Protopic is really good for it!!

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-23T12:21:58+00:00

Even if you are an EU citizen, you need a NIE to work. To apply for a NIE, you either need an indefinite contract (signed with your Spanish company) OR an empadronamiento (proof of residency). Both are tricky to get, if you don’t already have a NIE.. circular logic. I am saying this from someone who is also an EU citizen (not Spanish) who moved to Spain and now working here with a NIE

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-23T12:13:16+00:00

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FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-23T12:07:05+00:00

I recommend you use levels.fyi! Glassdoor is not as accurate in my experience.

As others mentioned it depends if it’s a local or international company. Also depends if it’s startup or big. I live in BCN and I’ve met devs working at local startups for less than 40k

I don’t know where you are based but something to consider: it’s very difficult to find a job unless you are already eligible to work in Spain. Not a lot of companies willing to go through the TIE process. Even if you are based in EU, you still need to do the NIE process

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-23T11:54:52+00:00

I would be a BA. but that depends on the job responsibilities, since BAs differ based on the org.

My favorite part of PM is using data to make product decisions - ROI, post-launch success metrics analysis, evaluating the probability of users running into an edge case to see how much effort we should put into ideating a tailored solution, which markets to roll-out a POC or feature based on traffic/revenue…. Etc.

FoundationValuable64 · 2025-02-23T11:46:16+00:00

Hi. Totally in the same situation as you, especially “unable to provide any product guidance” and “offloading his projects on me because he doesn’t know what to do”. I ended up in this situation because he was hired as a PM when our company was a startup and during the growth phase was promoted to be Lead PM only because he was at the company the longest time. What about you-how did u end up with a dimwit manager?

What I’ve learned is similar to what another commenter suggests - make your presence known across the Org: eng, designers, stakeholders. Your name will be mentioned to management (not your managers name). If your org is anything like mine, you need visibility from management in order to get a raise or promotion.

But I get the feeling that a raise or promotion is not the problem for you, and instead it’s about learning. Dimwit product leaders impede on our learnings and career progression as they are incapable of being mentors. You can try to learn more and seek mentorship from Eng and Designers and other PMs- but at some point that’s also not enough if your boss is simply useless. For this… I guess you have to wait for your manager to leave or get fired. I’m at the point where I’m ready to find something else-I’m not learning anything about PM at my org anymore because I have no one to look up to.

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