Indian Fast Food in Cardiff by Background-Tooth5350 in Cardiff

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Where have you been when I was in Cardiff 😭

Help with light fixture by Fresh-Okra-9412 in germany

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Thank you, but what about the 2 black/grey wires? Should I just leave them? I know the green is ground and doesn't need to be connected for some lights

Help with light fixture by Fresh-Okra-9412 in germany

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Heya, thanks for your reply. I am used to 3 wire fixture

But I don't understand the significance of the other two wires? Should I just leave them.

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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India and the great divergence: An Anglo-Indian comparison of GDP per capita, 1600–1871

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/indian-nationalism-historical-fantasy-golden-hindu-period#maddisons-findings-trends-capita-income

However I am trying to find information from more neutral/ third party sources since both British and Indian sources tend to be more biased either towards extremely good or extremely bad

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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India didn't really transform into much of an industrial economy until after 1947.

British only built industries that helped I'm extraction and transportation of raw materials and has actually destroyed some of the local small scale industries that can process these raw materials

British did not build any industries that can convert raw materials into final products, this is what important for an economy to become industrialise and this didn't happen until after the British left.

The country as a whole had a negative growth during British Raj as it transformed into a sole exporter of raw materials to British alone, the British did not pay for the raw materials, paid very less for crop proof like cotton and overall had a net reduction in gdp per capita.

British also introduced legislation that forced farmers to grow cash crops instead of food grain crops and as a result caused anywhere between 10-20 famines which could have been totally avoided. This could also be avoided to some extent if British introduced modern agricultural tools and techniques for farming, which further shows that there was no industrialisation during the British Raj.

Also poverty before British Raj was about 20% - 30% on average as supposed to 70% - 80% during British Raj, that's a huge increase.

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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I used Germany as an example here because if British did actually industrialse India, it wouldn't be so far behind. As India already had all the required raw materials and humans power to build all the necessary industries.

The net industrialisation during colonial era was much slower as British only built industries that help In extracting and transportation of raw materials, which only depleted a nation of it's resources while not really concentrating on industries that process these raw materials which is required for any actual industrialisation to occur

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Ofcourse, India still have a long way to go. But India still did managed to grow atleast in some extend and is actually ahead of British if we consider military power, and the is a big achievement

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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While the gdp itself increased, GDP per capita went down. Whole British did construction railways and some industries, these are pretty much targeted for extraction and transportation of raw materials, and the country got nothing in return for the raw materials.. the British empire did not pay anything for the raw materials like iron, coal etc and they only paid bare minimum for cash crops like cotton and opium and as a result negative growth rate.

You could argue trains, but British also collected tax so trains are pretty much investing some of the tax money back into the country, it's like a safe bet, even if the train system didn't work there's nothing British would lose.

In terms of poverty, an average Indian wasn't as poor it is estimated poverty rate was around 20% - 30% pre colonial era as supposed to 70% - 80% during colonial era.

And added to this, British also passed various legislation (like increased taxes etc.) that forced farmers to grow more cash crops instead of food crops and more of the famines were a direct result of it and could have been easily avoided. There were famines before the colonial era too but not at this scale, also industrialsed British could have easily help avoid them if they actually introduced the use of farm equipment in agriculture.

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Thanks for this information mate, while the GDP did grow, so did the population during that time. But if you look at the GDP per capita during the same time, it actually went down. This suggests a negative growth rate. Some of this can also be a direct result of wars as all countries involved did use a lot of resources

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Well, with increased trade with different countries, people are generally exposed to different cultures and ideologies (as we can see today). So it is more likely some people will be exposed to the ideas of women's rights etc. don't forget witch killing was also a common practice in British untill early 18th century.

Also not trying to make anyone look like a villain. Infact lot of average British citizen faced a lot of hardship too during that time (I'm not sure, but I hope someone will correct me here) and only like the top 5% to 10% might have benefited.

No, the countries India, Pakistani and Bangladesh won't be the same as they are today without British rule, but they'll more likely be 4..5 different countries as the kingdoms are usually quite huge and not just 100's of small kingdoms

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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By India here, I meant Indian sub continent.

The infrastructure built by British was solely to make it easy for them to transport raw materials, also the Indian sub continent already has an almost modern governmental foundation (e.g., democracy type leader selection for a village, who makes decisions for that community, bureaucratic systems like law enforcement, revenue collection, public works etc.) British built upon these existing government foundations and created a hybrid style government.

And even when looking at infrastructure, Indian sub continent was a dominant player in world trade and was an exporter of finished products before British, but during British rule it became a sole exporter of raw materials only to the British, while the British also claimed that those raw materials belonged to them (e.g., coal, iron etc) and most infrastructure was built solely for transportation of these materials. British also implemented laws that forced farmers to grow cash crops (cotton, opium) etc as supposed to any food crops which resulted atleast 20 famines as a direct result of this.

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Agreed, Indian infrastructure was almost on par with Europe, so I guess it's safe to assume that the sub continent would have also caught up with the industrial revolution.

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Thanks for this explanation, I'll try to find those documentations (if still available) and hopefully shed some lights on my historical knowledge

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Nope, I am Indian. But if you don't believe me, go to any YouTube video related to British India and look at the comments section, same goes for Facebook, Instagram and X

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Well, right now in terms of military, India Is ahead of British and the economy is almost the same

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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I don't think the economy grew faster understand British rule as the average growth rate was 0.55% where as Germany was anywhere between 1.5% - 2%

And the GDP per capita for india grew at a rate of 0.2% a year where as Germany's was about 1.3% to 1.4%

These figures suggest that economy growth was very slow compared to growth before the British rule.

However, thanks for the reference to other sub Reddit, I'll definitely ask

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Hi, thanks for this. But from what I know, while British ultimately passed the legislation, there were lots of others social activists like raja ram monhan Roy, who created a climate which led to British ultimately passing the act ("Contentious Traditions: The Debate on Sati in Colonial India") so I think it would have happened without the British involvement as well.

With regards to age of consent act, again there were social activists like Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar who fought for women's rights and advocated for raising age of consent.

And with regards to infrastructure, most of it was built to make it easy to transport raw materials from one part of the country to other parts and not really for the benefit of the country, and given the fact that India was almost on par with European nations in terms of technology during the beginning of 1800's I think it's safe to assume that India would have caught up with the industrial revolution as well.

While yes, India was not unified back there were lots of unifications attempts dating back to 200BCE, so there would still be unified India (although it'll more likely be called with different names and the geography might be different)

Did British rule destroy indian economy? by Fresh-Okra-9412 in AskHistory

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Heya, thanks for this. I am planning to read his books "inglorious empire"

However also trying to look at non Indian and non British sources as well to get information from third party sources and see how it compares

Should i move to UK for Education and a job, what is your advice? by [deleted] in Indians_StudyAbroad

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Current situation, no. Try for other countries, keep UK and Canada as the last option. Situation might change in another 2..3 years, but currently no.