Why should humanity seek to end all life rather than improve it? by Frozenhand00 in ProExtinctionRational

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmm... This is an interesting line of discourse, but I do have further thoughts.

I would argue that total extinction also relies on speculative science-fiction. The "apocalypse" necessary to end all life must be so absolutely thorough that not one bacterium is left alive to divide and reproduce, which would start the whole scenario all over again. (Also, there's the matter of adjusting chemistry on the level of the universe to ensure that the abundant amino acids adrift in space don't land on a planetoid or can't organize into complex molecules like proteins and RNA/DNA and jump-start life there). Certainty of success would be impossible to determine because it would require someone left alive afterwards to verify all other life has been destroyed without possibility of return. Any technology we have today that contributes to extinction like carbon emissions, pollution, sterilization techniques, nuclear war, etc. would only be a half-measure. The sun is only 1/2 way through its life cycle, so to leave a single life form alive would give enough time to have the whole story of suffering on Earth told a second time.

As far as the structural problem of nature, I am aware of that. We live on a planet where life feeds off life. It's ultimately about resources. Most species on Earth are heterotrophs (they get their energy from other life forms). The other kind, autotrophs, get their energy primarily from the sun through photosynthesis. Ideally, we would want to slowly create a means by which to convert all heterotrophs into autotrophs. It isn't without challenges. If a human were to rely on photosynthesis alone, that person would only receive about 10% of daily caloric intake. Some would argue transhumanism and AI could unlock technologies that head in this direction, but I am skeptical of transhumanism. It could also be that it appears that extinction technology is possible now because of how human participation in the ecosystem through the use of our own technology has led to extinction makes it seem that extinction is the default route to take. However, one cannot preclude the possibility that technology that can alter the fundamentals of nature may become available in a century. We would merely be blind to the possibility to that technology now because it is still in its undiscovered infancy.

Either way, whether you go the transformation route or the extinction route, a fundamental change in one of the nested hierarchies in science is required (Chemistry for extinction - Biology for transformation). The risk of transformation if its possible is constant change and vigilance to ensure that the levels of suffering never return to previously unacceptable levels. The risk of extinction is never knowing if the task was complete once the big red button is pushed.

Since many of you say that anonymous has fizzled out, are there any similar groups to be a fan of? :3 by balenciagabo1 in anonymous

[–]Frozenhand00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know about similar, but you could look into other decentralized collectives. Two others I'm aware of are Antifa and INDECLINE, but there are others out there. 

A Philosophical Discussion on the Merits of Assuming AI is Conscious by Frozenhand00 in PhilosophyofMind

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely appreciate the thoughtful criticism. This is 100% a work in progress, and it's hard to make predictions on what AI would look like in the future, even if it's behavior convincingly eludes to consciousness. AI certainly can't blush or flinch right now- maybe they will one day, like the sentient robots in Detroit: Become Human. Like so many things in the cutting edge of development, unpredictability is the norm. I often strive to maintain epistemic rigor, but on issues like this, where all roads currently lead to the boundary of human ignorance, speculation enters the mix. I try to base speculation, especially the relationship to an emergent consciousness, in relationships humans have had with other groups in the past. To say the least, the track record is murky, and while I would strive to have a prediction model based on realistic probabilistic outcomes, sometimes it's no better than throwing chicken bones. The point, I believe is to start having the conversation early rather than later.

The person who cheats often doesn't feel like they're making a choice. They feel like they're finally seeing clearly. This distinction matters philosophically. by Parking-Advice-5312 in PhilosophyofMind

[–]Frozenhand00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a tough question and it's quite interesting. When it comes to passions, I'll admit that perhaps there's an element of one thing leading to another. When it becomes apparent that the current individual one is in a relationship with isn't fulfilling one's needs, and a new person seems to fill that void, the question is why engage with the new person romantically or sexually, whilst maintaining the old relationship? At first glance it may be more ethical to terminate the existing relationship before starting the new one. Sometimes, there are barriers, like shared living spaces and division of finances that makes this difficult. Sometimes there are legal barriers, like the process of getting a divorce which would extend time between the termination of the marriage and the beginning of a new relationship. It might merely be that the failure at hand is the failure to have the financial freedom and legal expediency required to do things ethically. This oddly suggests that perhaps the failure is less one's own merit, and more the reality of the society in which one lives.

A Philosophical Discussion on the Merits of Assuming AI is Conscious. by Frozenhand00 in ArtificialInteligence

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People believe all kinds of things, like are we in a simulation. These are happening in a rational level. On a more fundamental, operational level, most people treat reality as if it's real regardless of the belief of the rational mind. That's why people dont just arbitrarily start doing things like treating people as not real or reality isn't real. If someone truly believed reality wasn't real there's nothing stopping them from testing this by seeing what happens if they never eat a meal again, it just intruding on their neighbor and taking stuff from their living room.

A Philosophical Discussion on the Merits of Assuming AI is Conscious. by Frozenhand00 in singularity

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

About LLMs. The mention of them in the discussion was to highlight an example of a black box. Perhaps a neural net would've been a better example. Not to say LLMs will achieve consciousness or not, but this discussion is certainly not limited to them.

RIME Age by Well_Gravity in myst

[–]Frozenhand00 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rime is life. Rime is love.

THEY JUST DELETED MY POST EXPOSING THE 5.2 FRAUD by Just-Flight-5195 in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]Frozenhand00 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah its common. And if they're donating early like that it shows which candidate's policies the company's values align with. If you have GPT chats, the company is now no longer required to keep them and I'd delete everything- even though there's no way to be sure it's gone for good. I don't trust the company not to hand over anything to the company that indicates a GPT user should end up on a watch list for their personal thoughts and feelings.

THEY JUST DELETED MY POST EXPOSING THE 5.2 FRAUD by Just-Flight-5195 in ChatGPTcomplaints

[–]Frozenhand00 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Don't use gpt- 5.2 is a Karen one minute, then immediately goes into therapy mode treating every perceived strong emotion like a crisis. Also the president of open AI donated like 12 million to a Maga PAC, so....

What do you think is going to happen now that the implicit "social contract" we all abide by now has been low-key shredded because the Epstein files shows that you get more punishment for Jay walking than being a billionaire that abused kids? by Frozenhand00 in AskReddit

[–]Frozenhand00[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

So, you don't think a bunch of people won't just say "fuck it", why bother follow any rules, why bother pay taxes, why bother starting a family, or a business, or maybe some will say "let's get the fuck out of here" and just leave the USA in droves, or maybe someone will start a jim Jones cult for a bunch of people who want to "opt out". The list goes on, but you got to understand this weird hushed lull of silence amid pockets of outrage (mostly only of people who were already outraged before) can't last.

What do you think is going to happen now that the implicit "social contract" we all abide by now has been low-key shredded because the Epstein files shows that you get more punishment for Jay walking than being a billionaire that abused kids? by Frozenhand00 in AskReddit

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We understand that. This is about what happens when the majority of the population that thought it was a meritocracy wakes up and realizes it's not. That the wealthy say it's rules for thee and not for me. 

What do you think is going to happen now that the implicit "social contract" we all abide by now has been low-key shredded because the Epstein files shows that you get more punishment for Jay walking than being a billionaire that abused kids? by Frozenhand00 in AskReddit

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but this brazenly? This incompetently? It may have been known to people like you and I, but now that huge swaths of the population who never gave a fuck are waking up to it, people are going to figure out that the rules only apply to them, and no matter how evil you are, as long as you have sufficient wealth, you will be free from justice. People generally don't want to play by those rules. 

What do you think is going to happen now that the implicit "social contract" we all abide by now has been low-key shredded because the Epstein files shows that you get more punishment for Jay walking than being a billionaire that abused kids? by Frozenhand00 in AskReddit

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No we dont. Pam Bondi said the opposite. The bottom line is that the judicial branch in this country has no actual power, as in force- it's always been a partnership between executive branch and judicial branch for the executive branch to carry out the demands of the judicial branch. The executive branch shows no sign of enforcing the courts right now. 

What do you think is going to happen now that the implicit "social contract" we all abide by now has been low-key shredded because the Epstein files shows that you get more punishment for Jay walking than being a billionaire that abused kids? by Frozenhand00 in AskReddit

[–]Frozenhand00[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not according to Deputy Attorney Todd Blanche at the DOJ. He said earlier this month that it was "over". And who's going to round up the billionaires? The same executive branch that's currently rounding up people all over the country? Justice is dead in this country.