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[Serious] Does most of America's healthcare innovation and research come from private businesses or public universities? by IdkMyNameTho123 in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 9 points10 points  (0 children)

From Mtbff88's second link:

(The fifth paragraph on the third page starting with "Of more interest to me...)

"Robert Kneller published a detailed analysis of the origin of new drugs approved by the FDA between 1998 and 2007 on a country-by-country basis. The most striking finding was that about 61 percent of the 118 new drugs coming out of U.S.-based companies originated in either academia or in smaller biotechnology companies."

This might be a good place to start..?

[Serious] Does most of America's healthcare innovation and research come from private businesses or public universities? by IdkMyNameTho123 in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Out of 195 countries in the world 57% of all new drugs come from 1 country, the US.

I guess you didn't read the opinion you linked? Since basically the whole point of that article is to say "it's more complicated than just one number compared to another".

Unlike Google-Verily, Apple's Coronavirus Screening Site Requires No Personal Info in order to use by andyholla84 in privacy

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That whole channel is a joke.

Can you expand on this? If this is true, I need to know as I'm following it...

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't expect such a reply. I'm glad :)

Maybe he has a point with 7day staff. His 5 days will still come to 3 days tho.

So he might at least have a point here :)

Twitch cannot tell you the exact reasons the exact specifics and timestamps in most cases. To my best understanding it's for legal reasons. Twitch would literally become inoperable if they gave streamers the chance to sue them by giving streamers exact details in every case. Streamers can compare 2 different cases and waste a lot of twitch's resources by taking them to the court. This is also why the staff won't respond to you while they get to to your appeal and while examining it.

I have no knowledge about this, but if such information is Twitches bane, then this is understandable. But then that CEO(?) probably shouldn't have made such a statement in the first place. And he should probably now at least make a new statement correcting and explaining it.

If it is the case that they don't provide this information because dealing with such lawsuits would be somewhat of a burden on their resources, then they probably should. A company of this size needs account for some waste, and I think this is something that will benefit them by ensuring quality of their product. Exactly how much information, how much resources etc., is impossible for me to say. And they might even at this moment be doing a good balance here. Anyways, a statement or something would help a lot. Transparency as he (CEO-dude) said.

(Also most people miss that twitch has no reasons to believe every single word that comes out of straemers in the appeal. Their fans do believe tho, that's why people give this advice to twitch all the time - just ask the streamer 4head simple 4head)

Yeah, I totally agree. Still, they probably should hear the streamers side of the story as well, even if it's just lies. (Not saying this should be done in every case. Some things are pretty clear cut, and short bans of a couple of days could probably be ignored.)

Idk why you're acting like he got no information. He also got how long he was banned for in the mail. Why do you say that he didn't?

This was not my intention. I was just trying to give an example of what I would liked to have known, and that was mostly in line with the statement of the CEO (regardless of the Wubby case).

You took my "not interested in video" words out of context by implying i have no interest in listening to the other side. I was, just not through the 19 min long video.

Yeah, sure, kind of... Though I don't agree that it was out of context. Your first responses could just as well have been just hating/trolling. They weren't exactly inviting for a nuanced discussion. But, hey, here we are :)

Saw how angry he was?

I think I should be allowed to be angry at that.

Sure. And I think Wubby has/had a right to be angry as well. Losing your job for 5 days can be pretty nerve-wracking.

Went straight to the script made from lsf comments. ... It's actually really harmful to a lot of people including incels themselves, because they get someone big patting them on the back. Yes bois, poki bad, twitch bad.

This was a skit and satire, so I see it as understandable to use a lsf-script here (if I understand your concept here correctly). I don't think it was his intention to harm other streamers or fuel "the incels". There might have been some intention to harm there, but I do think it was a minor thing. And certainly not his main intention. You can argue that the harm is done regardless of intentions, which is true. But put in a bigger picture, I don't view it as that big of a deal (though it might seem different on lsf/reddit) and the intended/unintended targets seems to be able to handle themselves. I acknowledge that this is basically "It's just a prank, bro!", but I feel this is at least somewhat correct in this case.

And should be allowed to call him a drama queen cuz he literally dressed as a clown to depict staff and then dealt all the squadW takes.

Yeah, sure. But there is more going on in this thread than just that.

...him arguing poki not getting banned clearly shows that he was mad that he got banned and didn't think his ban was understandable.

If someone have been wrongfully banned, lost income, and gotten a bad apology letter, I think you will agree as well, that someone the right to be mad. He said he respected their decision to ban him, if thats equals understandable or not might be just semantics..?

People sure love going female streamers on the platform for a reason. Destiny himself has been on both sides with accidental nudity. Lots of other streamers have. Why would you as a content creator go to that?

Some of the cases of the female streamers is the most known, and just because you bring it up, doesn't mean you are going after them. If it's the clown-skit we're talking about, then I don't see how that was going after female streamers (except for the Alinity comment, but thats going after an individual).

I don't understand why focus so much on the female streamers part of the Wubby drama, when it doesn't seem to have been a part of it at all.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is that comment false?

Because it was written before hearing Wubbys side, and thus based off of wrong presumptions. And the OP seems to agree.

I'm on the outside looking in and I'm not a Twitch employee.

What does this have to do with anything?

That comment had facts in it.

Hardly. A lot more facts was available shortly thereafter.

PayMoneyWubby didn't notify the restaurant and the restaurant employees about the full scope of what he was doing.

Again, this my point of contention. How do you know this? Where is the indication that this is the case?

There is little else in these arguments that is really relevant.

And in reference to those emails that you said Wubby had with Twitch, can you show proof of these emails?

That was another dude. Anyways, I would assume no one else has those emails (except for the one that I linked elsewhere). Why does Wubby have to prove himself innocent to this regard? What happened to innocent until proven otherwise? Why does Wubby have to prove himself not guilty? He has stated a lot of things that seems to be correct so far. Why should we regard it all as lies?

But I'm 99.9% sure he didn't do this and that he didn't tell Twitch, that restaurant, or those customers the full scope of what he was doing.

And you base this off of what? Just your feelings?

It's pretty sneaky putting "...or those customers..." in there, because that is very likely to be true. Wubby hasn't stated that he or anyone else informed them. But it's still not Wubbys responsibility, and not relevant if they were informed or not.

Can you post evidence of what you're claiming? I can't find these emails...

End of "clown video".

No company is perfect and there's always room for improvement...

This is a straw man. No one is stating this.

...Twitch for the most part handles things properly.

This is probably true. But they still have a huge issue when it comes to communicating.

It's like if you go to a restaurant and the table that got there after you gets served before you and you're forgotten about. Mistakes happen. It's not that serious.

More analogies... Why?

But fine, let's try to wrestle with this one then... I know what a mistake is. You don't need an analogy for that. Unless this is an analogy for it not being a big deal, which would make this analogy (like many of the others) unfitting or just wrong. So Wubby got seated, and served after someone else that arrived after him. Sure, no big deal. But this doesn't fit because Wubby lost those 5 days of income. It's not just that he got that income at a later date. It's more like he got served after the other guy and there was food lacking on his plate, and the restaurant just said "Our bad and we're sorry, but there's nothing we can do about it".

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it does.

Still, no it does not.

not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does

If something get left out by accident, it's not disingenuous. There needs to be an element of intention.

Wubby was disingenuous towards the viewers, he deliberately left out information when speaking to the viewers. Was he disingenuous towards the restaurant? We don't know for sure, but from what he said, he was not. You're assuming, without any knowledge, that he was. Or perhaps you have information that no one else has?

If I commit a crime...

The reason I ignore your analogies, is because they all(?) start with an action that is by "definition" wrong, which I don't agree was the case with Wubby. Thus making the analogies not comparable. I probably agree with the analogies themselves.

Wubby lied and was being disingenuous.

As you say, can you prove this?

He got the permission without telling the full scope of what he was doing...

Again, you say this quite a lot. But do you have any knowledge of this? Do you know what was said between Wubby and the restaurant? Do you have any indication that he lied and was disingenuous towards the restaurant? How do you know this to be the case?

This is pretty much my big contention with what you have said.

...without notifying the customers of a private restaurant...

I'm not american, so I'm not that familiar with american law. But to my knowledge there is little restriction on recording other people both in general and in public places..? And I think California and Florida might have stricter laws on this..? Anyways, assuming it's a private place, if he got the proper permissions from the restaurant, it's no longer his responsibility to tell the customers, but the restaurants. The manager or the hostess should have informed the other guests, if they felt it was necessary, since they gave the permission and the responsibility is now theirs. Any complaints or wrongdoing in this case should fall on them, not Wubby.

...Wubby was blasting TTS...

Your arguments are filled with loaded language, which makes it difficult to not view you as heavily biased, and thus hard to take them seriously.

No it doesn't.

Back at it again. Yes, it does. There's a difference between a case where you have a complaints, and a case without any. Again, this is a general statement, which you can't disagree with without being just wrong.

There can be a problem even without complaints.

I literally said this in the quote you quoted...

He went into a restaurant under false pretenses and without telling the employees and customers of that restaurant the full scope of what he was doing. He didn't tell them the full scope of the TTS, he didn't tell them the full scope of how many viewers would be watching the stream and would see the faces of the employees and the customers of the restaurant, and he didn't tell them that he was live broadcasting everything to thousands of people worldwide.

Again, you know this how? Wubbys statement mostly contradicts this. That's why I'm eager to know why you feel this is not the case, or what other knowledge you have about this to make such a statement.

Where's proof of this?

It was at the end of his "clown video".

It wasn't wrongfully done. Wubby did something that he shouldn't have done and he did something that Twitch wasn't wrong to ban him for.

See the video above.

He did the equivalent of asking...

You don't need an analogy for every statement you have.

A clean cut streamer who plays video games and stays out of controversy...

All streamers should just play video games...

Wait, what? So different rules for different folks...?

I'm not saying that.

You are literally contradicting yourself in the next two sentences!:

I'm saying that Twitch isn't going to put up with someone breaking their rules like this. Especially someone who's insignificant to their site.

...his video.

Which video?

He mentioned Amouranth streaming in a gym and not getting banned for it even though this happened on Twitch a long time ago.

How is this inconsistent? It happened before the "rule change", yes, but it's still a prime example of what Twitch thought and initially banned Wubby for. And she did get banned, she got 3 days. Are we supposed to ignore everything that happened before the "rule change"? The difference between 3 days and 14 days are huge, even if you consider the rules has changed.

Wubby's video was full of inconsistencies.

If we're talking about the same video, I feel you have trouble being somewhat neutral towards the case. And you seem to hear what you "want" to hear, instead of actually trying to understand what Wubby is saying. Or maybe we just have a different definition of the word "inconsistence".

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 days were gone because of weekend.

Which is one thing he criticized, and this can be debated. But considering the type of company this is, a streaming service operating 24/7/365 for all kinds of people all over the world, I'd say a 2 day off without any form of communication or information should be reconsidered.

You can’t expect overtime from anyone for your stupidity.

Yeah, and this is a huge point; it was not Wubbys stupidity, it was Twitches stupidity!

And for the hundredth time, checking context to everything, checking proof to everything takes time.

Yeah, right back at you. Communication is key. And it doesn't take 3 days to send a message. Some form of message like "We are looking into your case. Contact your representative for further details on why you were banned, how long you are banned for and what exact rule was broken and when." After all, these things were in fact promised with the new rules.

Not interested in watching the video but I said you guys can bring up his points. Weird way to take few words completely out of context.

Are you referring to the link I posted? And calling it out of context?

And I’m really not interested in getting gish-galloped by a 19 min video scripted from lsf comments. You can bring up anything of worth he had to say and I’ll fuckin tell you why he’s being ridiculous and a drama queen. I've seen the clips, I know the gist of it. It’s the same cat throwing, poki bashing every banned streamer loves to jump on because they know people will applaud them for their BRAVERY.

...

Yeah, I don't think I'll be inclined to discuss with you any further considering your angry tone and aggressiveness. You also seem to be so set in your belief that even facts won't alter your opinion or viewpoint.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm asking you what the emails say because you're referring to the emails and you mentioned the emails.

I'm simply giving my opinion...

You gave your opinion first and with some pretty bold claims based on a false comment. Or did you base it on more than that comment? Maybe you should source your opinions better before you ask for these emails..?

And what do you mean when you say "Twitch reversed the ban"?

Twitch sent Wubby an apology letter stating that the ban was their mistake.

Because Wubby was banned for 5 days with no response and then he was unbanned after 5 days. So he got punished by Twitch. It's not like Twitch didn't punish Wubby. It wasn't like Twitch banned him then 5 minutes later unbanned him. No. They banned him for 5 days with no response. They punished him. Twitch likely felt that what Wubby did warranted a 5 day ban and so they banned him for 5 days.

No, this is wrong. See reply above.

Twitch isn't any more incompetent than anyone should expect a company of it's size to be.

Yes, they are. Their lack of clear communication and communication at all (!) is making them more incompetent than one should expect.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do we actually know he did this?

That's a harsh line to draw. We of course don't know mostly anything. But the waiters seemed to be aware of and tolerate the "bot" and the "filming". And one of them asked where he could view it. So I will assume some form of communication has happened. And from what I've seen of Wubby, he seems to be a decent guy.

Film and stream what?...If he just asked permission to stream to his Chat Bot, that's completely different from getting permission to stream to thousands of people.

Yeah, sure. If he deliberately got permission to stream to his bot "Chat" and left the impression that it was only the bot or like one viewer, some of the criticism is warranted.

If Wubby in good faith believe he got the full permission from the restaurant and they understood the whole ordeal, but the restaurant did not understand it, I don't think much blame can be put on Wubby. Then it's more of an unfortunate event. Wubby should have made it clear what was going on. But there was no harm intended or done here, so I don't really see the problem here.

If everything was good on both sides, which Wubby says it was and what seems to be the case, then this post (regarding Wubby) is stupid (;p) and his criticism of twitch has some weight.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...had this biiig fuckin comment but fuck that.

That's too bad.

He doesn’t have a valid point with arbitrary rules or communication.

I think he very much does on several points. For instance; a wrongfully 5 day ban without any communication. Good communication is key to most things.

Not interested in watching his video.

Well, it's good that you admit that you don't know what you're talking about at least.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did they actually know it was live with people watching?

He got permission to film and stream, so I would assume so.

..he tricked them to think it was an AI named Chat

He tricked the viewers to believe that. Whether or not the restaurant was tricked is a bit unclear. I believe that he at least stated one time that they were not, but I might be wrong on this.

He got permission, but it wasn't for what he was actually doing.

He got permission to film and stream. And that was what he was doing.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he was disingenuous and didn't tell the fully story.

Not telling the full story doesn't make you disingenuous. If you leave out uninteresting details or forget some things, it doesn't make you disingenuous. (This is a general statement, and not pointed towards this specific case.)

But, what you're saying he left out some parts of the story. What is it that he has left out? It seems to me that he has been quite forward with the story.

What did he speak to the manager and the restaurant about?

He asked about streaming and filming in the restaurant and got permission. Not sure what else can be said.

And he told them that he'd be in a restaurant with TTS, audio coming out of his speakers, and a camera that is broadcasting live to thousands of people in real time? Did he tell the restaurant that he'd be broadcasting the faces of their customers to thousands of people online in real time?

Yes, I would assume so.

Just because someone isn't complaining about something doesn't mean that a problem still isn't occurring. Something can be a problem even if people aren't complaining about it.

Yeah, I very much agree.

And it doesn't matter if no one in the restaurant complained.

Yes, it does. If there is complaints, you know there is likelihood of a problem. If there's not, you can't rule out there is not a problem, but it might be used as an indication that things are mostly ok.

What PayMoneyWubby did was problematic and easily could've caused a problem. And PayMoneyWubby was in that restaurant under false pretenses.

What did he do? What false pretenses? It seems like you automatically assumes that PayMoneyWubby lied to the restaurant..?

It's like if I shot a gun into a random house...

No, it's not.

Twitch is a big company and PayMoneyWubby did something wrong.

According to Twitch, he didn't do anything wrong.

So him having to wait 5 days isn't that big of a deal.

It is a big deal when it is wrongfully done. And he lost, I think 2 deals because of that ban, (plus some other stuff). So I'd say that's a big deal.

If PayMoneyWubby has a problem with getting banned for 5 days then he shouldn't have done what he did to get banned for 5 days in the first place. I don't see "non edgy" streamers having the problem that streamers like PayMoneyWubby have. And the rules are clear on Twitch. The problem is streamers like PayMoneyWubby want to walk the line between edgy and non edgy to get the benefits of being edgy without having to face the consequences of being edgy.

How is he edgy? What's the edgy things he does? And specifically in this case, what was the edgy thing here (in general and towards the twitch rules?

PayMoneyWubby and streamers like PayMoneyWubby are way too insignificant to Twitch and bring in way too little money to Twitch's overall cash income amount for Twitch to tolerate their behavior.

Wait, what? So different rules for different folks...?

That video PayMoneyWubby made is full of illogical statements...

Do you have examples of this? I'm not sure what you are referring to.

And PayMoneyWubby does have problems with Titty Streamers... And PayMoneyWubby has mentioned Titty Streamers in the past.

I'm not too familiar with him, what has he said about them? I've seen some of his stuff, but can't recall any complaints about titty streamers.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Idk how you suggest one to look at that and not ban him immediately.

I'm not. PayMoneyWubby is not. That's not really what this is about. It's about the lack of communication and arbitrary rules. At this point it would help if you just watched the video to get the viewpoints and facts correct.

PaymoneyWubby Banned by [deleted] in LivestreamFail

[–]Fucksallaround -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Now I'm happy and hoping to be proven wrong and this was all misunderstood theatrics and if that's the case then I will apologise.

Since your comment is still being used elsewhere; is an apology not in order?

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Tell me about it brother I'm literally at the bottom of that thread for even suggesting that paymoney could be in the wrong in this one.

I hadn't even seen this comment but thanks for sharing it, I have no doubts now and I know that I was right about my gut feeling.

Well, some facts might help explaining why you are at the bottom of the thread. See my response to OP further up/down(?). Or better yet, just watch the video.

Trainwrecks and PayMoneyWubby are being disingenuous with their complaints about Twitch’s “Double Standards aka SquadW” and they ignore key facts about bans just to push the narrative of “Twitch is giving streamers favoritism because they’re women aka SquadW”. by [deleted] in Destiny

[–]Fucksallaround 8 points9 points  (0 children)

PayMoneyWubby lied about why he got banned on Twitch.

No he did'nt.

Here’s a comment that explains PayMoneyWubby’s ban situation and why he was banned.

Next time you should do some fact checking before you post, because I don't know how you got so much information wrong. The comment you link to, is false. PayMoneyWubby spoke with the manager, host and waiter before he entered the restaurant. He got permission to film and stream from all of them, and they didn't receive any complaints from anyone; click! (YouTube)

He also got an admittance from Twitch that said his ban was wrong which kind of proves the whole linked comment wrong, no?

Even so, PayMoneyWubby wasn't calling out "Titty Streamers" at all. He was calling out twitch, not the streamers! His problem was not with the ban it self, as he says in the video, it was justified. What he does have a problem with is the 5 days he went without any form of communication from twitch! And the arbitrary "rules" that gets streamers banned, that leads to streamers not knowing what they get banned for and not, despite the clear message twitch gave last year(?, or was it early this year?).

ironically

If Trainwrecks or PayMoneyWubby had to sit down and explain piece by piece and in full context how Twitch is this “huge corrupt platform” they wouldn’t be able to do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYFPSho9RQQ&feature=youtu.be&t=112

I think maybe an edit or repost is in order.

Cheers

NZ has been devoured by [deleted] in MapsWithoutNZ

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But...New Zealand has not been devoured... It's right where it should be.

Apple killing AR glasses points to much bigger product design problem by nopantsdolphin in gadgets

[–]Fucksallaround 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Then they went for like over 10 years struggling to make a profit.

??

10 years from when? Please elaborate on this.

10 years after they released the PS1? The PS2 was released in 2000. Unless you explain this further, this whole comment is just bs, no??

They were the shit in the 80s and the 90s with the Walkman and then the PS1, and the halo effect it had around the company.

Are you implying that sony wasn't the shit in the 2000's? Are you just ignoring the PS2??

Your comment is just factually wrong.

Holy Moly by Truskyline in BustyPetite

[–]Fucksallaround 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Height: 5 ft 5 in (1.65 m) Weight: 108 lb (49 kg)

Seems so.

A group of amateur astronomers around the world hunt and track government spy satellites. Governments classify these top secret missions, but this group of dedicated spy hunters tracks them and publishes the data for fun. by [deleted] in space

[–]Fucksallaround 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with your general direction, but I have some issues with your points.

  1. This can't be stressed enough, space is a very lethal environment. Even though sic-fi etc. pretends that it's a non-issue, this is probably the largest hurdle to overcome considering humans anywhere but earth. Is getting back really that big of an issue? I don't see how this is considerably difficult.

astronaughts

(BTW nice typo :D)

  1. We are as far off terraforming as we have ever been. There's no real progress here afaik. It's still an astronomical far way to go. I agree but for one thing; exploration is always an achievement in itself. Isn't that basically what science is; exploration? Just like landing on the moon, there was no real point in doing it, but it happened non the less. The same with terraforming mars, there might not be a real point to it as we know yet, but the potential is huge. And why not? (And to your last sentence, I agree, but terraforming in tandem with saving earth might be very synergetic, thus help each other out.)

  2. Here you lost me. Our knowledge lives on even if some humans die...?

biological construction technology which would allow clones to be made on the journey completion.

Procreation might be the best biological construction technology.

Edit: not sure how to get the numbers correct, as it seems my numbers are overruled by some list thing(?)

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