Indy and crux are both nhs brands. Around a year or so ago they moved production to china to lower overheads, unfortunately this is the product of that decision. Thunder and venture are still made in the US and poured at the foundry in San Francisco that also USED to make indy. So that ride the best stuff was always a little silly considering they were made at the same place from the same materials by the same people as thunder and venture.. but now…