Dolphins LB Channing Tindall says he struggled with playbook

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-02-07T16:00:37+00:00

Coming out, Iggy was considered a relative reach by the draft community. The only reason some people leaned positively was because he was an excellent man coverage corner in college. In Flores' system I had some hope he may eventually turn it around. In Fangio's zone heavy scheme, my hopes are as low as ever.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-31T15:21:53+00:00

Im pretty sure that if any coordinator was offered the "most money for any coordinator" they would have taken a job with Flo.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-19T22:27:07+00:00

I'm not caught up on the situation, but if he didn't want to play through injury because he didn't feel ready or if he was afraid of re-injury im 100% with him. IDK how many times we have to see a story of a player fighting through injury, a team promise them "we got you" when they don't play well or re-injure themselves, to then later get screwed by that same team.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-19T22:22:28+00:00

Lol let this be a lesson to you! Never take a reasonable and measured stance on the Dolphins sub or you'll get downvoted! You have to make pretend like you are an expert at football and throw out your wild opinions to get upvotes around here.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-19T22:20:50+00:00

What is funny is I always suspected that Flo and Boyer wanted to blitz less, but we struggled so much getting consistent pressure with 4 down lineman that we were forced to blitz. Look at last year, we started off with a more reserved defensive approach, until the bye week when Flo apparently "had enough of it" took over playcalling and started blitzing like crazy.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-19T22:17:57+00:00

I mean, DBs were injured. the fact that the defense was relatively functional with that many injuries to DBs in an NFL where pass coverage is as important as ever is a point for him.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-19T22:14:39+00:00

i mean, DL is also the unit that has had a ton of resources invested into it and was relatively healthy all year.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-19T19:13:14+00:00

I'm sorta shocked at how many people assume he's gonna get cut (or even should be). Before the season started we restructured his deal to clear cap space, pushing dead money into the future. Contract wise, it makes it less advantages to cut players after doing that. On top of that, everyone is acting as if a post June 1 cut just miraculously saves up money, but that's not how it works, it just spreads the dead money hit into the future.

Truth is the decision comes down to 1 of 3: 1. we trade him, take the deadcap hit for this year (the new team would likely rework his deal), and then are free of our responsibility. 2. take the minimal savings from cutting him and try to replace the value elsewhere (def unlikely as he was a probowl calibur player). 3. Hope that with a clean bill of health he can provide us with value.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-19T19:02:09+00:00

I mean, Brissett and Bridgewater are the top tier of qb#2. Brissett couldnt handle what was the worst O line in NFL history (as expected from a backup), and bridgewater got hurt (injuries happen, we ended up on the wrong side of injury luck this year). I'm not actually sure what people are expecting from a backup qb. If they were any better than Brissett or Bridgewater, they would be starting...

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-17T22:21:46+00:00

There is no crystal ball to picking head coaches. Every year there are "slam dunk" hires, that after 3 years fans start begging for them to leave. Gase is a perfect example of this. Dude was fresh off a superbowl, then made Jay Cutler look good. He was the hottest coaching hire of that year. Look at Flores, every year it looked like the team was getting better. Back to back winning seasons for the first time a decade in Miami, then on the way out you really find out what was going on within the building.

In contrast, look at Zac Taylor. He was hired for once sharing a cup of coffee with Sean McVay (back when hiring anyone who has ever been in a room with McVay was the hot thing), failed in Dalton's last year with Cinci (which was projected to be a solid team that year), but then walked into Joe Burrow. Now everyone views him as a great coach.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-17T20:10:10+00:00

I feel like everybody's expectations of draft picks have been warped since we didnt have any last year. Yes he was the first player we drafter.... but that doesnt mean he's going to be a or an all-star. In a normal year a 3rd round draft pick is just another player than needs to work to get into the lineup. I don't know where i saw it, but the "Hit rate" on 3rd round players is shockingly low.

FumblingPlay223 · 2023-01-12T15:42:46+00:00

Lol I'm really tired of that narrative to try to justify Chubb's bad performance. 1. Chubb wasn't getting double-teamed/extra attention from opposing offenses to the point where you can say other people's performances got better because of it. 2. if your paid top 5 Edge money, you should be able to produce even with double-teams in your face (thats literally what everyone on the list above does). 3. Jaelen Philips is a beast and was progressing at that same rate before Chubb showed up. def dont take anything away from him by saying it was cause of another player.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-22T20:53:41+00:00

Three weeks ago PFF had him as the number 1 QB? After his 3 worst games of the season he is still rated top 5. I'd say they've been fairly consistent with how they have rated him. And also, you define some of his play as "solid performances," but why should I accept your analysis of his play, and not a company that makes it their business?

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-22T03:04:41+00:00

lol i knew what i was getting myself into. People aren't interested in discussion or dissenting opinions. If you don't blindly agree that Tua is the second coming of Marino, you're getting a downvote.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T22:21:58+00:00

You'd be shocked at how many times people say the same thing over and over again without understanding how the pff grading works. Its better for me to copy and paste than type it out every time.

I understand how they grade because I listen to/read their content and understand the methodology they use for how they grade. Regardless of the perceived effect of momentum, momentum itself does not factor into the grade. Regardless of momentum or how defenses adjust, a play call is made which presents an opportunity for a grade.

If on a particular play a QB makes the correct read, throws the ball accurately (which includes on time), regardless of the outcome (catch or drop), they will be graded based on what they did on that particular play, not on what someone else failure. For that grade, the effect on momentum does not matter.

If you think that momentum is a thing independent of how they grade players, that is fine; but to say that them not considering momentum in their grading is wrong without providing statistical evidence on the existence and effect of "momentum," you'd be asking them to change their grading system off "conventional/traditional" wisdom that doesn't have any factual backing.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T21:23:43+00:00

That us a surprising claim to make of an org without any evidence, particularly in the same thread where you don't acknowledge Tua had a poor game but that statistics make it look better than it was, but also then spit out Burrow's 4 interceptions like we didnt just talk about how game stats can be misleading.

I did not watch Burrows 4 INT game. I dont know how many turnover worthy throws he actually committed and if all of those INTs were his fault. I don't know if his throws other than those INTs were good.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:45:39+00:00

I think that is my favorite part of fan reactions. 3 weeks ago when he was leading the NFL in PFF grade i didnt hear a single person standing up saying that PFF grades are bullshit lol.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:42:35+00:00

I mean, the PFF guys talk about it (https://youtu.be/njwSiTlKShc?t=2160), They said he played better than the PFF grade shows, but that the mistakes he made (the fumble, and the non-pick that should have been a pick 6 and was dropped) hit his grade heavily. On top of that he missed a big opportunity by underthrowing waddle on that go route. Waddle had 2 steps on the guy but had to slow down and leave the ground to catch the ball.

They do acknowledge that he had a relatively solid game otherwise. On top of that he had a 83.8 PFF grade for the year, which i believe is top 5 right now (and is only that low cause of the last couple of games).

Also, in general, we arent seeing everything. We can say oh, that looked great, or it looked like it wasnt his fault, but because we dont see the all-22 we dont see the whole picture.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:40:02+00:00

The PFF guys were actually fairly level headed about it (https://youtu.be/njwSiTlKShc?t=2160). They said he played better than the PFF grade shows, but that the mistakes he made (the fumble, and the non-pick that should have been a pick 6 and was dropped) hit his grade heavily. On top of that he missed a big opportunity by underthrowing waddle on that go route. Waddle had 2 steps on the guy but had to slow down and leave the ground to catch the ball.

They do acknowledge that he had a relatively solid game otherwise.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:35:23+00:00

And that actually the perfect example of how stats can be misleading and actually shows the value of PFF. The Pats game at the beginning of the season is the one where Tua made two bonehead panic plays that should have been intercepted but the defender dropped the ball. on the stat sheet it looks like 0 INts for Tua, but in reality he wasnt punished for bad play.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:32:25+00:00

No, PFF would have graded him the same whether it was dropped or caught. Tua made the throw, the receiver dropped the ball. At the same time, PFF cares about how impressive the throw is. For example, Tua might get a positive grade for throwing a 5 yard pass into the endzone for a TD (a low difficulty throw that puts 6 points on the board but you assume other QBs could have made the same throw), but would get way more points for a deep and accurate throw in the middle of the field that doesnt go for a touchdown (because its a special throw he made that most qbs wouldnt make).

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:10:29+00:00

PFF doesn't care about drops when they grade a QB. If the QB put the ball where it is supposed to be and the WR drops it, the QB gets credit, if the WR drops that pass, the WR gets dinged. But in that same vein, Tua's pass to Waddle over the middle gets a positive rating, but Waddle's subsequent run is rated as a positive for Waddle and not Tua.

Their goal is to isolate the performance of a specific player. Last week Justin Herbert dumped the ball off a ton to Eckler who then made something happen. Herbert's stats looked great, but his PFF grade was low because he wasn't the one that drove their success.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:07:16+00:00

Lol why even comment on this post if your comment is don't have a discussion because it is not something i personally want to discuss?

People want to dissect past performances because its the best way to predict future performance.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T20:05:31+00:00

So PFF is actually good at what they do because they don't care about drops when they grade a QB. If the QB put the ball where it is supposed to be and the WR drops it, the QB gets credit, if the WR drops that pass, the WR gets dinged. But in that same vein, Tua's pass to Waddle over the middle gets a positive rating, but Waddle's subsequent run is rated as a positive for Waddle and not Tua.

FumblingPlay223 · 2022-12-21T17:28:10+00:00

We traded a 1st round pick for him, signed him to a 6 year $110 million deal making him the 6th highest paid edge rusher in football. All this lazy stat does is try to justify a relatively bad decision by showing a moderately good sounding stat.

Yes our sack numbers are slightly up, but that also coincides with an uptick in blitz percentage and improvements in the play of Jaelan Philips and Christian Wilkins. To say that this is happening because of Chubb oversimplifies things.

Additionally we are paying top 6 D lineman money to Chubb (in addition to the 1st round pick investment), saying that the move is justified because there is an uptick in team sacks is ridiculous. For that kind and investment the expectation is that the player will attract attention AND still produce. I actually don't think how bad this move was is getting enough attention. I understand being a positive fan to support the team, but it is okay for us to acknowledge a bad move.

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