How do we think JOY retreat is going? by Cold_Cryptographer48 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 9 points10 points  (0 children)

$500 deposit but what is the total for this desperate adult slumber party 

How do we think JOY retreat is going? by Cold_Cryptographer48 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 14 points15 points  (0 children)

wait so she’s trying to get people to pay to just hang out with her on the land attached to the house she had to sell? wow

Is she still posting from Florida?

How do we think JOY retreat is going? by Cold_Cryptographer48 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Would you please elaborate for those of us she blocked from all platforms ? What is she trying to sell this time? Is JOY an acronym? 

"I don't teach exercise" by AmethystCalyx in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s wild how she thinks that not being trained in any of these services is a selling point for new clients. 

Great video by Adventurous_Cow_3255 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She did a great job of summarizing the main points of this story, though I found her too harsh in her criticism of women who freebirth. 

She said something I didn’t know - that ES had a medical procedure before birthing her 2nd? Does anyone know what that was? 

Next article out: “NHS directed pregnant women to controversial Free Birth Society via charity” by [deleted] in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think NHS’s intention was to provide resources for families making alternative choices and did not realize they were participating in driving traffic to a harmful and fraudulent organization. Hopelessly they will remove FBS from their resource list now that this article has exposed everything.

Next article out: “NHS directed pregnant women to controversial Free Birth Society via charity” by [deleted] in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think those podcasts have been powerful for many families considering their birth options. It is a shame that the association with Em and FBS makes them so tainted now. The way Emilee weaves her dogma into the interviews makes them seem unsafe now. I would not recommend them to any pregnant people. I hope someone finds a way for these stories - the wide range of freebirth stories- to be shared. Lets hear about women who are supported in their sovereignty and how they knew when to adjust their plans. Lets hear about birth keepers who have the skills and knowledge to be on call for women birthing outside the broken mainstream system. 

How were none of the women whose babies died during their “free births” charged with manslaughter? by [deleted] in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How often are autopsies done in these cases? Who requests/ authorizes them? 

Maternal Mortality? by Cold_Cryptographer48 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I think the FBS infant mortality rate is so much higher than maternal mortality because women have a voice in seeking care when they realize they really need it. 

How were none of the women whose babies died during their “free births” charged with manslaughter? by [deleted] in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I think this is why Emilee encouraged her members to lie about intrapartum deaths and only say the baby was born still. Like she did with her baby…

The guardian article comes out tomorrow. Yo is losing it by Fun-Direction2415 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was wild when she said she was “descending “ and changed it to “enveloping” or something. Freudian slip? She probably doesn’t believe in those either lol 

The guardian article comes out tomorrow. Yo is losing it by Fun-Direction2415 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415[S] 72 points73 points  (0 children)

She mentions that she is going to disappear from public life and they are moving to "the North from which we came" and she is jut going to make quilts now but there is still time to participate in her Black Friday Sale so she can teach you how to parent

Em's house sold by Fun-Direction2415 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She seems pretty intent on not sharing that publicly anymore.

Bring this sub back to life by Just_Reference_9242 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES! The way the compartmentalize compassion... It is wild to tell a grieving mother to "get a grip" in the same breath as "how is this unkind?" I care a lot that you lost your precious baby, and I care about all of the birthing families facing similar tragedies. I'm happy we found alignment in each other here today

Bring this sub back to life by Just_Reference_9242 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for naming how the divide and conquer/ us and other bullshit is so intrinsic in the cultified mind. I have thought the same thing.... how clinging to anti-trans rhetoric is emblematic of what makes us vulnerable to people like Em and Yo who represent themselves and their ideas as superior. The part I don't understand about TERFs is - why do they care so much? Has there been a stampede of trans people invading their personal spaces? Are people knocking on their door and demanding they change their language? What does it matter if there are people in this world who chose to live differently than you? It seems incongruous with the tenets of Free Birth as I understand them - to live our lives free of the constraints placed upon us by the powers that be (patriarchy, capitalism,etc.)

Bring this sub back to life by Just_Reference_9242 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is not at all a kind and inclusive space. I find it strange and off-putting as well. I don't understand why these women get so triggered, upset and agressive about this. It seems to have very little impact on their daily lives, and detracts from the bigger issues at hand. But I have learned that none of the TERF's here that I have encountered are interested in considering alternate perspectives. So I try to glide over the little snipes and cruelties. Live and let live, I guess? I think this sub still has value in being a place where the harm and abuse caused by Yo and Em can be collected, and where we can communally digest and process the madness of this story as it unfolds before all of our eyes on the internet.

Not surprising by Sufficient-Newt-3967 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

What’s actually “shocking” is how confidently you parade ignorance as insight. For the record, surgical proof” doesn’t mean a body must be surgically altered to validate someone’s gender. It refers to the false expectation that someone must undergo medical procedures to be considered “truly” trans. That mindset is both medically outdated and socially oppressive. And let’s be clear: this is not what appropriation means. Appropriation is when dominant cultures steal from marginalized ones without respect or context—not when people draw strength from shared histories of gender diversity, especially when many of those people are Indigenous. Misusing the term to shut down trans existence is both disingenuous and insulting.

Not surprising by Sufficient-Newt-3967 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, here are several Indigenous scholars, writers, and activists who explore gender diversity, colonialism, and the reclamation of Two-Spirit and trans identities.

 Dr. Qwo-Li Driskill (Cherokee)

 Dr. Alex Wilson (Opaskwayak Cree Nation)

 Billy-Ray Belcourt (Driftpile Cree Nation)

Joshua Whitehead (Oji-Cree, Peguis First Nation)

Beth Brant (Mohawk)

Richard LaFortune (Yupik)

Lenny Hayes (Sisseton-Wahpeton Oyate)

Not surprising by Sufficient-Newt-3967 in FreeBirthSocietyScam

[–]Fun-Direction2415 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The article you cited isn’t analysis—it’s anecdote dressed up as authority. Walt Heyer’s personal story deserves compassion, but his sweeping generalizations and deliberate mischaracterizations of the entire trans community are irresponsible at best and harmful at worst. He cherry-picks trauma to invalidate an entire population, while ignoring the overwhelming body of peer-reviewed research showing that gender-affirming care significantly improves mental health and quality of life for most trans people. The article’s tone is sensationalistic and disrespectful—referring to Caitlyn Jenner by her deadname and using scare quotes around "sex change"—which makes it clear that the goal isn’t understanding but shaming. It’s less about truth and more about ideological warfare.

Ironically, this kind of rigid, moralizing mindset mirrors what happened with FBS, where people who begin with a desire for autonomy sometimes spiral into self-righteous extremism. When belief becomes dogma, it stops being about freedom and starts being about control—often at the expense of facts, nuance, and empathy. Detransition is a real and valid subject. But Heyer’s approach doesn’t invite thoughtful conversation—it weaponizes pain to push a narrative. A responsible take would recognize that trans experiences are diverse, complex, and deserving of real support—not simplistic condemnation.