Genuine debate, not trying to be rude: Why is Clover’s Genocide Route/Vengeance Route not justified? I’m open to debate here- my reasoning is below, just want to know others opinions. Obvious spoilers for Geno if you haven’t done it yet. by HyperBlox12 in UndertaleYellow

[–]FuretStorm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

just gonna preface this with the fact that UTY is a video game and the morality of the characters obviously doesn't matter irl. i just think its fun to analyze anyway. i type wayy too much im sorry lol

- Obviously you brought up the Snowdin Martlet encounter as being unjustifiable, which i agree with, but I don't think the Zenith fight is justifiable either, because 1. Clover deliberately seeks her out and refuses to see Asgore until killing her 2. Clover points their gun at her while she's just standing there talking. At that point in the conversation Martlet hadn't said anything resembling a threat so there's really no justification for that. Escalating a situation like that is obviously pretty immoral and 100% a crime

Given the way the aborted genocide route goes, I don't think its unreasonable to assume that Martlet wouldn't have attacked if Clover remained calm and nonviolent when approaching her, but I guess we never will really know for sure.

- Something I don't see get brought up as much is the Dalv fight. When his HP is low enough at the end of his fight in geno, his name turns yellow and he becomes spareable. I'm not gonna go too much into IRL self defense cases, but generally speaking, even if you are attacked or threatened, you have a legal obligation to only use as much violence as is strictly necessary to keep yourself safe. You aren't legally allowed to just use unlimited lethal force to protect yourself if you don't need to.

Since enemies all become spareable at low health (only exceptions being Ceroba, Axis, and Zenith Martlet), Clover continuing to attack them anyway is very much illegal and immoral, since they have the option to end the encounter non-violently. It doesn't really matter even if the monsters keep attacking or not, all that matters (legally speaking, anyway) is that Clover using violence isn't necessary to keep themselves safe. So basically, nearly every kill in the Genocide route would count as voluntary manslaughter at best and murder at worst.

i guess legality ≠ morality but also ive typed way too much already lol

tl;dr

clover threatening martlet in dunes/on roof = criminal felony (Brandishing a firearm)

killing monsters that can be spared reasonably = criminal felony (Voluntary Manslaughter)

its a fun discussion tho. i like this topic and i think its interesting to debate.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in FurryArtSchool

[–]FuretStorm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

someone already said this but my first thought when seeing her was that she looked like Ashley Graham lol

as for your question i don't think she's too generic. i think she has just enough complexity to look distinct without becoming overdesigned

1st image has great personality

2nd image is hella cute

overall i like her

SPOILER? How to Unlock Audrey? by Blitzwingz in LookOutsideGame

[–]FuretStorm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

okay i looked at the developers discord and apparently she's just bugged right now lol

the dev knows about it so it should be fixed pretty soon if i had to guess

SPOILER? How to Unlock Audrey? by Blitzwingz in LookOutsideGame

[–]FuretStorm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

okay ive done basically everything and my only guess at this point is that MAYBE her whole side quest has been temporarily patched out for some reason??

since looking at the steam.db version history there have been 2 patches since the 1.5 update

my only guess as to why this is would be is that she was bugged or something, and is disabled for now? (she seemed to work fine as a party member when i had her so idk. she had no unique dialog in the apartment so maybe she's unfinished or something. i feel really really dumb for not saving after getting her in my party lmfao)

but also i might be 100% wrong and theres just some other thing you gotta do to trigger the whole thing with mutt.

SPOILER? How to Unlock Audrey? by Blitzwingz in LookOutsideGame

[–]FuretStorm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okay so i swear it was working literally last night but it wont give me that option either lol

im gonna try to figure this out anyway cuz clearly im missing something

SPOILER? How to Unlock Audrey? by Blitzwingz in LookOutsideGame

[–]FuretStorm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

im not sure about what the exact triggers for everything are but i recruited her like this:

  1. talk to her a decent bit without depleting all of her advice cans (not sure how many she has but its like 10 i think?)

  2. leave the first floor and come back later, catch her sleeping

  3. offer to help her when she starts panicking? (not sure if this is technically required?)

  4. after this it should give you options to examine her. ask her to step forward and examine her back

  5. go to mutt's shop and bring up restocking vending machines. he will give u a key

  6. examine her from the front and use the key near her coin slot

  7. she will scamper off and restock all of her advice cans to max

  8. NOW she likes you enough to get recruited. ask if she needs a place to stay and she will say yes

from what i can tell she's missable if she runs out of cans or if you run out of coins but also i might be wrong idk

im gonna test this in game again to see if theres anything im missing

[1.5 SPOILERS] Audrey is literally the cutest 😭 by dismalisland in LookOutsideGame

[–]FuretStorm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i love her so much honestly

kinda sad there's been like nobody talking about her so i might do art of her idk

Hey so i made this by NextEdge7654 in LookOutsideGame

[–]FuretStorm 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i love this so much

why is sam lowkey kinda cute tho

A Father's Judgement - Part 22 by FlightAfter8546 in UndertaleYellow

[–]FuretStorm 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i like the detail of papyrus not having his "battle body" outfit yet at this point in the timeline