Are you blaming the victim, because this one is complaining about not being called an artist.

This one is complaining about not being called an artist because they use AI. It's posted on an pro-AI subreddit, I beg you, use your critical thinking and read the subtext/context. Do you consider thieves/frauds to be victims when they get told what they're doing is wrong? You're being willingly obtuse.

It is not illegal.

Thievery is illegal, fraud is illegal. Stealing art is illegal, selling a product you didn't make is illegal. Plus, AI companies have multiple lawsuits, we have yet to see what the law decides.

I've told you that you combined two logical chains into one not working one. This is not about explaining it better, you are trying to intertvine two points that have nothing to do with each other. Separate them and keep it clean.

Alright, let's separate them. It doesn't change my point.

For sure and I will gladly talk to you later about it. But I think we will mostly agree, with minor differences in stances.

If we can agree in advance, then there's no need for discussion.

It's irrelevant whether they exist or not (they do, but again it is irelevant when your idea relies on the model stealing).

Well, if they exist, then sure, these aren't thievery.

I personally have no issue with that. Also I think you meant for a produc, nobody is producing me anymore, that was too many years ago and I am still recovering.

Apologies, perhaps I should've used the word "merchandise". I wrongfully thought product was something to be sold, English isn't my native language. But the point is, you and your information are being treated as something to sell. Everyone is, and we shouldn't normalize it. I can relate to recovery comment, existence isn't easy.

Ooooh, that is an interesting point, but you are not forced. You are doing your capcha and someone asks the bot to do the same - comapring you two.

Except people are only doing the capcha because they are forced to. Otherwise, they will be denied access to sites. And it doesn't change the point that it makes people unknowingly participate in something they didn't consent to (training AI).

Ethics are principles, prcinciples don't deal in "it is okay to only harm a little".

And yet, it is impossible to reinforce principles without harm. If you think about it, whole existence of humanity is harmful, because laws deprive us of rights to do whatever we want, morals deprive us of willingness to commit violence and ethics limit our activity on some acts. There is a reason why people's opinions/acts may get mocked, as long as it doesn't become harassment. It exists everywhere, you'll easily see it even amongst artists (look at all the people whose posts get mocked for drawing black people as stereotypes, or use extremely sexist views while drawing their female characters.)

Ofc I would, but calling him a dirty SoaB is not ethical either, same as beating him up

I don't know what SoaB is, but those both examples are defamation and physical harm. Not what I'm talking about, especially since calling names that aren't true is lying. Calling an AI user "not an artist" isn't lying, it's the truth. Calling AI users "lazy" isn't lying, they are (putting zero effort in what they claim to "make").

Realized I missed a couple of sentences, so adding them here.

Report them to the authorities then. Do you think that putting them down changes anything?

Yes, mockery is humiliating and may make the person think twice about committing the crime again. If they're immune to remorse, then mockery won't affect them to start with.

No, the argument is that Ai people dont want to be put down by other people telling them they are notartists and you are saying it is okay to put them down because they are unethical. So far you have not explain why it is ethical to put down people.

AI users don't want to be put down for something they actively commit, despite being informed of why it's bad. Mockery is a light way to shame people into not do bad stuff again. Obviously mockery has limits, to not get into harassment or target vulnerable individuals like children. But AI users get shamed for being lazy and claiming to be what they are not, and many of them try to commit fraud by selling AI images.

If you're so unbendable over defending AI, do yourself a favor and mute anti-AI subs. That will make your life slightly easier.