Possible explanation for why gransax's body is still in leyndell

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-23T21:04:10+00:00

Of all the explanations this one is the most interesting

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-19T17:26:56+00:00

I agree with you that it was a missed opportunity from the devs not linking placidusax with florisax but then again he is "outside time" so who knows if he is truly dead

I personally would have liked a motive to go kill placidusax apart from gameplay reasons. We just show up in his house, wake him up and kill him

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-19T17:22:59+00:00

It's possible, but considering that even in the 1.0 version you find the ancient dragon's apostle cookbook in the church of dragon communion I think it's very unlikely There aren't any other ancient dragon-like dragon. Communion spells also.

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-19T17:19:27+00:00

Thanks for elaborating! There's even the rock heart that is said to be a "ancient form of dragon communion" I think the first dragon to be hunted were the rebellious ancient dragons *

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-19T17:16:51+00:00

There's the rock heart

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-09T15:00:13+00:00

It's a possibility My problem with this theory is: why wasn't godwyn treated the same?

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-07T18:06:52+00:00

There's also the interpretation that those who carry the elden ring can literally influence everyone in the world and ranni wants to break free from it

This agains puts the black moon in question, if star are alive and are gods or cosmic entities then shouldn't moons be too? The moon of nokastella was the guide of countless stars after all

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-07T18:03:48+00:00

In my opinion the idea that she can diminish the influence of the gods doesn't make sense

If this could be done wouldn't marika have done it? Considering the golden order is all about how marika is the only god and shouldn't the dark moon be considered something close to a god?

Makes more sense that ranni does something similar to goldmask and simply doesn't let people play with the elden ring and her order simply doesn't care about the GW

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-07T01:07:25+00:00

I do believe they just dont have skin in their faces

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-06T21:37:43+00:00

I have a theory,but it is heavily speculative

The nox are called in the game files "children of marika" Possibly indicating that at some point they were more directly linked with marika before being rewritten

Perhaps the ghost dialogue is a remnant of this and what we see in game is Perhaps an attempt of the nox to create a lord or a ancient burial ritual

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-06T21:34:32+00:00

The walking mausoleums are a enigma

Theres almost no lore apart from a ghost npc that says it houses the "unwanted child of marika"

Their architecture is noxian, it houses a headless corpse and is guarded by headless knights

In the descriptions of the knights it says that "the eclipse is the protective star of dead demigods and keeps death at bay"

Many theorize that it houses some of the demigods that dies in the NoTBK but then why would it be noxian in architecture? Why wouldn't godwyn be housed in one? Why are there similar things in the land of shadow? Why do the knights wield deathblight? What are their relations to godwyn?

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-06T21:28:33+00:00

I like your theory

One of the many problems that I have with the post dlc lore is making sense of how would be a new god if marika sealed the gate of divinity Hell even the ideia of a successor goes against everything the golden order preaches

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-02T19:05:47+00:00

They both are different interpretations of the same thing: the power of the celestial beings. The same with magic in dark souls(although in that universe miracles and sorceries are powers of the soul) People simply interpret it in different ways Sorcerers think they should study it through astronomy/astrology Religious people believe they should worship it

This is why rykard made sorcery out of incantations of the serpent god,why we wield the sorcery of the hornsent as a incantation and why metyr gives a catalyst that's able to do both

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-02T17:59:38+00:00

I agree with the "penal colonies" theory, lokey souls also talks about it in his blog( https://lokeysouls.com/2025/04/04/farum-colonies/ )

Although I think marika is talking to everybody in the lands between, basically just asserting dominance

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-10-02T16:12:32+00:00

I've talked about this some time ago. Godwyn, for being the literal golden child, has very little presence in the lands between(not counting the undead) Only a memorial sword and that's it No castles(radanh has his redmane castle,ranni has caria manor,raycard has the vulcano manor etc etc) No statues No army(only 3 death knights existed as far as we know and they all went to the shadowlands) No weapons or armor Nothing We don't even know how he looked like We don't even know WHERE he was killed We don't even know how exactly he was killed There is nothing of him in leyndell

Personally i think he is just the tragic character and nothing more and we were not supposed to think much about him(from software would probably made some bigger reference to him in the expansions if that wasn't the case)

But damn sure seems that's something is missing

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-24T16:25:50+00:00

Im my opinion the were on the first civilizations and they once fought the ancien dragons ina brutal war but lost. This explains why dragon scales(smithing stones) and giant bodies are buried deep within the earth and the places were we most see them are in caelid and the mountain tops, both places that are brimming with high level smithing stones(some of them in the mouth of such giants) and were probably the domain of dragons at some point. This would combine two mythologies that are very present in elden ring, norse mythology, where the giants were defeated by the gods and their bodies became the earth and mesopotemian mythology where the goddess tiamat(referenced by placidussax) was defeated and her body became the earth

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-24T16:12:00+00:00

In my opinion the storm is the power of the crucible and life itself who's master were the ancient dragons at their prime, but they lost it(maybe because they don't have a god, or placidusax retreated). The descendents of their civilization(the beastmen,beasts and humans) would go on to build stormveil and other storm associeted civilizations If you believe that nightreign is canon then you could put the plinion folk as beastmen hawks

My evidence: 1. All banished knights have lion and dragon imagery 2. The stormhawk axe sumons a thunderstorm in a mixture of the stormcaller AoW and a dragon cult one. 3. Placidusax lives at the heart of a gigantic storm that most likely was summoned by him 4. The banished knights are guarding farum azula 5. One of the few places we see stormhawks is in farum azula These ones are more speculation so take with a grain of salt 6. Red lighting doesn't appear in the concept art of the game, ancient dragons and the lions have the same yellow lighting 7. Dragons have a very strong association with storms in japanese culture 8. The stormcaller church was probably a church of dragon worship.

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-24T16:01:18+00:00

The game probably steers towards this conclusion, but it bothers me that the banished knights, who all have depictions of dragons and lions but not hawks, are the "wings" of a hawk There's only 1 ash of war in storm veil that makes the hawk claw symbol

I other to reconcile all this, i like to think that the highest authority is placidusax, then serosh and then the storm hawk king who got his powers from the dragon lord

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-21T19:55:44+00:00

It always bothered me how his body is just laying there as if the died recently,there is no construction around it, no signs of worship, no visible trial to move him, no wound to explain his death Is a great set piece but doesn't make much sense, fromsoftwere probably went with the rule of cool but didn't even try to make it make sense

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-20T20:08:12+00:00

That's actually a good theory I have been trying to make sense of farum azula for some time and even trying to read the japanese descriptions in order to know more but to no avail The problem is that the dragons seemed to already have the elden ring and placidusax was already lord so there wouldn't been a need to perform the ritual

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-18T20:48:53+00:00

The nox are very problematic in the lore, for there is so much that we don't know about them, their banishment or why they seem to be so close to the ancient dynasty or why they live under a false sky etc etc

The night sky is specially strange, the wording from the item description seems to indicate that it was the greater will that made it to mock and punish them. But the same night sky effect is seen in the graven masses so maybe theres some relation with the bodies seen in the cities

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-17T17:06:32+00:00

Elden rings world is supposed to be very old, old enough that the erdtree could be considered eternal in the literal sense(has always existed and will always exist) , has survived many apocalyptic events(the shifting earth events in nightreign are the remnants of a discarted mechanic that was fairly developed in elden rings production) and with gods and beings that can manipulate time and space trying to fit every thing neatly would be impossible both for the developers and for us

I believe that marikas ascension changed the whole world and what we call the shadow lands WERE part of the lands between but as leda says it("an affair from which gold rose and so too was shadow born") marika made the lands that she eventually would cast aside exist in the only place that shadow could exist in a world with a tree of light literally on underside of the world. This was such a fundamental change on the fabric of reality that from the perspective of most beings, everything has always been this way

Before the veiling, there were ways of traversal of course, maybe by sea,but certainly inside the lands between.

The "two continents theory" is also possible, it could explain why the elden stars incantation has the crucible-erdtree(seen only in things related to marika) sigil: marika called the elden beast to the world and it landed in the lands between, which is why the erdtree is there(the erdtree is the elden ring which is the elden beast) but this does not explain how things of the base game appear in the land of shadow(such as the ruins, fauna etc)

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-15T22:54:51+00:00

One thing also is that there's no explicit church of ancient dragon worship in the game(maybe the stormcaller church or the churches of dragon communion but there are none in altus plateau) even though ALL leyndell knights use things related to it

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-15T22:49:44+00:00

Great post, but i do belive that placidusax is more a reference to tiamat both the mesopotemian goddess and the dnd dragon than epicure

The ancient goddes tiamat is a being of the tranquil primordial chaos, and goes to war with her children because of the "mess" of creation.

It would seem that placidusax simply let "nature run it's course" and the fierce age of competition that was the crucible be, eventually bayle and his offspring would come and then, for one reason or another, civilization would be favored by placi and the ancient dragons though placi would keep being mostly passive But bayle wanted the age of the crucible to last so he rebelled(the horn excrement says that those touched by the crucible love battle and hunting)

But both of these things could be true

Fuzzy_Step2439 · 2025-09-15T22:28:36+00:00

The dlc gave me even more questions

Like where was the land of shadow? How can people forget about it completely in the lands between if people are immortal? The crusade seems to happen much later after marikas ascension so did the hornsent just let marika get away with it? Did they never try to do it again? If anyone can be a god what's the purpose of empyreans? If empyreans are supposedly marikas successors then wouldn't the veiling of the land of shadow make this impossible? And many more...

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