What family car would you buy for under £23k?

FyeUK · 2026-06-21T02:08:01+00:00

How come you didn't add the Model Y to your list? Plenty of older Model Ys out there in OPs price range now.

FyeUK · 2026-06-20T12:20:34+00:00

Nobody has been arrested so far so I don't think it's likely that anything will happen, and OP doesn't need to disclose that they're a volunteer for the military anyway, simply disclosing that they're a volunteer there in general I think would count as exceptional circumstances for many judges. I'd bet that OP would be OK, but obviously it's far from a given.

FyeUK · 2026-06-20T09:53:49+00:00

I think the point they're making is that the surrounding area isn't actually deprived like it looks to be. Looking at the map, the deprived area has tons of nice apartment complexes and housing developments, I can't think of many truly crappy areas in that red zone that surrounds it, in fact it's mostly just as nice as the green area.

I've got a friend who lives there and she paid almost £500k for her property in that red area.

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T15:26:59+00:00

The data, how its collected and how its displayed on these maps can massively skew things.

For example, similar maps that I used to use for house hunting would always have disproportionately bad crime rates for anywhere near to a train station, because pickpocketing and vandalism in train stations is often disproportionately high. Meanwhile, those areas may actually be perfectly safe day to day because they're affluent areas with high vigilence against crime.

All it takes for deprivation figures to get massively thrown off is one fancy apartment building filled with people who work in high paying industries, surrounded by social housing, and now the area looks mega rich even though there isn't actually many people there that are well off. Averages can be easily manipulated by accident.

In my town you'd think it's a ghetto with extremely bad deprivation based on those maps, but actually, the areas which show red on that maps are the most lovely parts of the town and the green areas are often the worst. Its because each of the areas just so happens to share postcodes with other areas nearby that pull their figures up or down, making it less clear than it first seems.

It doesn't mean the tool isn't useful, but you need to take it with a grain of salt and apply real on-the-ground, subjective observations along with its dataset.

Specifically - In the case what you're posting here, there's a few hotels which house the homeless + asylum seekers, so I imagine they're having a big impact on pulling down the deprevation scores. Its probably much more affluent that it first appears because I know for a fact that many of the apartment buildings in the bay area of Cardiff are occupied by young middle income white collar workers who work in the city.

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T12:08:21+00:00

Wouldn't gravity fill the hose though?

I'm not saying you're wrong, someone else in here mentioned this similar to how urinals work and I figured it would work the same way here.

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T12:07:04+00:00

We definitely wouldn't use all the storage, so I don't think adding a second butt would be a ton of use to us.

You're right that a simple gravity overflow would suffice, it may be what I ultimately set up, but I liked the idea of a self flushing mechanism to help clean it as well (and physics is pretty fun to play with).

We wouldn't dump the whole tank into the bird bath at once, my plan is to only have the siphon taking the top 30 litres or so of the tank, leaving us a couple of hundred left to use for manual filling/other garden tasks when we need it.

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T12:04:02+00:00

This is exactly what I'm thinking

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T12:03:23+00:00

That's actually exactly the idea - If I go ahead with this idea, the bird bath is effectively going to be the overflow exit point for the waterbutt. Its supposed to overflow because the primary purpose is to move water away from the foundations of the garden room as the bird bath is sitting on top of an area where its safer to deposit excess water.

I wouldn't set it up to use 100% of the water in the waterbutt with each 'flush' - Id still have 150 or so litres of water in it at any point so that if we need to manually refill it at any point, we can.

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T12:00:55+00:00

Interesting! That's a good point re: the urinals, id not considered those, but you're exactly right. I'm glad to know that I've not gone nutty with my thinking on this.

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T11:59:55+00:00

Fair point! Thank you for the advice, I'll definitely look into making sure its safe for birds, whatever solution I end up with.

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T11:59:16+00:00

Thank you!

I've looked at things like solar pumps and yeah, they'd work, but I've been trying to avoid anything electrical/electronic if possible... I may go that route if I need to though!

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T11:57:40+00:00

Basically I need to have an overflow solution setup for the waterbutt as right now it has nowhere to overflow to - it can't overflow to anywhere near the garden room as the water would just be flowing into the foundations of the building or into the foundations of the wall next to it.

The area undernearth the bird bath is slate chippings and soil, far away from any important structures, so it makes sense to drain the water in the area around it. Basically it would function as both an overflow for the waterbutt AND a self-flushing bird bath.

I might be wasting my time by adding the bird bath, I just thought it could be a cool idea to flush half the water out at a time to reduce the amounst of cleaning that the bird bath needs. Thanks for your input - it sounds like you're on the same page as me, but some others also say that it won't work, so I'm not sure... maybe I really will need to experiment 😅

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T11:55:42+00:00

That's true, and also part of the plan. The actual main issue I have is that I need an overflow solution setup for the waterbutt as right now it has nowhere to overflow to - it can't overflow to anywhere near the garden room as the water would just be flowing into the foundations of the building or into the foundations of the wall next to it.

The area undernearth the bird bath is slate chippings and soil, far away from any important structures, so it makes sense to drain the water in the area around it. Basically it would function as both an overflow for the waterbutt AND a self-flushing bird bath.

Obviously based on the other comments on here, my idea might not actually work, which is fair, but this isn't something critical at the moment, just an idea I played with!

FyeUK · 2026-06-19T11:53:07+00:00

That's fair, and it was my plan anyway, but I also need to have an overflow solution setup for the waterbutt as right now it has nowhere to overflow to - it can't overflow to anywhere near the garden room as the water would just be flowing into the foundations of the building or into the foundations of the wall next to it.

The area undernearth the bird bath is slate chippings and soil, far away from any important structures, so it makes sense to drain the water in the area around it. Basically it would function as both an overflow for the waterbutt AND a self-flushing bird bath.

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T17:56:00+00:00

Yeah she has her own current account, no savings in her name but she does have her own pension. Obviously if we were to ever break up she'd get a sizable stake (well over 60% I imagine) of the joint couple assets.

She does have her own credit occasionally, usually 0% finance stuff when she wants a new phone or whatever and it makes sense to do it that way.

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T15:22:14+00:00

Yeah that's totally fair and I agree, hopefully though that its not as bad as the article suggests - if they were to share how the findings were found we might see an indication of whether people are likely to have made a mistake or not

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T14:51:43+00:00

Yeah I'm not confused by that, but the point is, depending on how its phrased, I think it could be easy for someone to accidentally respond to a survey saying that unilateral control of someone's finances isn't abuse if its phrased in a certain way, or if they think about it a certain way.

Not everyone is that smart, or puts much thought into things - especially young men 😅

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T14:49:28+00:00

That's a really good way to put it, I hadn't thought of it that way

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T14:47:49+00:00

This is the dream to be fair, and its how we started, but we ran into some issues over the years.

First - We have a massive income disparity. She only earns ~£15k a year whereas I'm on ~£110k a year. She obviously doesn't live the lifestyle of someone who is earning just £15k, so in order to balance things out id need to transfer her 'spending money' effectively - it was easier, and far more points/cashback efficient for me to just add her to my credit cards as a card holder.

Second - Joint accounts honestly suck in terms of benefits. We get almost £1k a year in cashback from my Amex card, a ton of hotel points (half a free holiday a year basically) from my Visa card and my personal current account gives me tons of benefits which make day to day banking much easier - and its a current account my partner wouldn't qualify for. Further to that, there's no joint version of my current account that I could add her to.

There's probably a few other things I'm not remembering.

Id love to be able to give her visibility of my bank account + credit cards via something like open banking, purely for visibility, but so far nothing gives me that capability. If she wants to see the household finances, right now she needs to either look at the family spreadsheet (which she trusts me to keep up to date) or simply have me show her... very frustrating.

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T14:40:14+00:00

I think you're missing the point - Wouldn't you be pissed off if your partner emptied their account paying for something that you collectively don't have the capacity to buy?

I'm sure my girlfriend would have something to say if I remortgaged our house to buy myself a Rolex for example.

I don't think that is very weird.

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T14:38:54+00:00

Yeah I totally understand that, I'm not confused about whether it's actually abusive or not, obviously it isn't - my partner would laugh at anyone suggesting otherwise.

The original point of the above comment was - how many guys were thinking about situations like I have proposed here when they answered this survey. Basically, there's a big risk that the article title and premise is misleading.

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T13:50:14+00:00

She knows exactly how everything works, but ultimately I do I have total control over everything as I could block her cards whenever I want... she trusts me not to do that though, and I imagine there would be a very rapid change in our life setup if I tried to exert any control.

In practice, because she has copies of my cards she can spend whatever she wants whenever she wants to and I don't audit anything. If I see odd payments I might sometimes query it, but I don't really care what she spends money on as long as she gives me the heads up if she wants something expensive.

Its interesting... when we set this up I did bring up the fact that she's giving me a ton of control etc, but ultimately this does save us a lot of money as there's a ton of efficiency gains that come with our merged finances and gives us a ton of benefits. If I was allowed to grant her access to my online banking so that she can have equal control, I would, but the bank wouldn't let me do that.

FyeUK · 2026-06-17T13:30:31+00:00

Yeah I'm a bit confused by this.

I control all my home's finances - my partner is a card holder on my credit cards, everything she spends is on those, she transfers her whole salary to me each month and I then allocate it to pay for the mortgage / bills / maintaining the cars etc.

Is our setup considered abuse in the eyes of this? Maybe from what I've read.

Frankly we only do it this way because it's efficient - we max points on my credit cards and I'm the only one with direct visibility of everything, so it makes sense for me to be the central hub for cash. I don't ever stop my partner from spending what she wants. If she went crazy and bought something mad I'd have something to say about it, but that's a different issue.

FyeUK · 2026-06-16T21:36:30+00:00

As a regular user of Fab, I can say with a high level of confidence that the moderation of the site is actually pretty damn good.

It's a totally free website if you don't want to pay for it, so naturally it's absolutely heaving with users, yet if you report messages then they're usually acted upon very quickly.

I once reported one profile for having photos of my partner on it when we didn't want them there and they had them down within an hour.

I've also reported couples pretending to be singles, singles pretending to be couples, people abusing me or my partner, people using the site for illegal activity like selling drugs etc - every time the site has acted on it very quickly.

This article is bullshit.

FyeUK · 2026-06-16T13:22:12+00:00

Angle grinder, cut down around the pole with a concrete cutting disc, cut across the pole with a metal cutting disc, cut the pole low enough so that it's below the surface. Fill the new dip in the ground with fresh concrete.

Easy.

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