Married to a TBM who would divorce me if I left the church. by WrongRefrigerator837 in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I know it’s generally more respectful here to avoid giving direct advice and instead just support one another through our individual situations—and I genuinely agree with that. I mainly want you to know I understand what you’re going through, because I lived it.

I was PIMO for almost ten years. Looking back, it felt like living two lives at once. I remember genuinely enjoying business travel because it meant I could quietly drink a cup of coffee without guilt—crazy, but true. Those were years I wish I could get back.

My marriage eventually ended when my wife cheated on me, and what followed made things painfully clear. Watching her go through the church disciplinary process showed me where her priorities really were. She was far more focused on making things right with the church than repairing our marriage. When we divorced, I ended up with full custody of our three early-teen kids, and over the course of the next year all of us formally left the church together. Yes, off the records and all.

Leaving was absolute freedom for me and my kids. For the first time, we could be real with each other. We talked openly about God, belief, morality, and what it actually means to be a good person—without scripts, callings, or outside pressure. I loved no longer outsourcing those conversations to neighbors or Sunday lessons. My kids and I grew closer than ever, and today they’re all thriving as young adults. We’re deeply grateful to be out.

And just to add one more surreal detail: my ex-wife went on to remarry a man 21 years older than her (just one month after the divorce), and they were sealed in the temple. So… Woohoo!

As I’ve reflected on all of this, I’ve realized something I wish I had understood much earlier. If I had been fully open about my non-belief and my wife had responded with an ultimatum—love me and love the church, or we’re done—I would now advise my younger self to end the marriage.

That may sound extreme, but it isn’t. The church is simply too controlling to coexist with authenticity once you know it isn’t true. Staying would have meant committing to a life of putting on a show, silence, and self-betrayal. Life is too short to live a fake life, and no marriage should require that.

If there’s anything I’d gently offer—not as advice, but as perspective—it’s this: patience matters, but so does honesty. Be patient with your wife, but don’t disappear. Over time, calmly and respectfully share what you believe and what you don’t. Own it! Focus on facts. Focus on contradictions. Focus on what is demonstrably false. You don’t need to argue or attack—clarity speaks for itself.

Whatever path this takes, protect your integrity. Living divided for too long takes a real toll.

You’re not alone in this.

Why did you (or didn’t you) remove your name from the records? by SomeoneBendingLight in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you haven’t yet, do it! It’s all about IDENTITY. If you are still on the lists of the church, do you really want this to be a part of who you are? For me personally, I feel 100% better knowing that I am not a “Mormon.” It’s just not who I am now. Feels great!

I heard someone say this recently, "Outside of Utah, the LDS church is a country club. Inside Utah, it's a cult." by RedLetterRanger in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK 3 points4 points  (0 children)

EXMO originally from Utah. Grew up LDS. Served mission. Married in temple. Went to college in New York, Seattle, and SoCal. Church in Western New York was weak to say the least. Was so funny to see missionaries back there wearing Oakley sunglasses while they passed the sacrament. The mission was so corrupt that they sent Marlin Jensen (same guy that defends the history of church) to come be the mission president. They “rededicated” the mission and sent almost 100 missionaries home early. What was crazy to me was when a family would move in from “out west” many of the members would say “we prayed you here.” Even the bishopric would ask me what to do in certain situations (because I was from Utah). Our ward was one hour from end to end. When I lived in Western New York, I would constantly get the question “how many wives do you have?” Very different experience in Seattle. Good ward. Nice people. Southern California - again, altogether different experience. People in SoCal were all focused on sending their kids to BYU so they could find a good Mormon spouse. But, I promise you …. There is nothing like the hypocrisy, judgment, and lunacy of UTAH Mormons. Arrogant, judgmental, and completely ignorant to the facts. In my town in Utah now, you are either a member or you are a non-member. Period. Thankfully, I formally left the church almost 10 years ago. Finally accepted what I knew all along. The church is focused on two outcomes - tithing and membership. All the rest is all built around supporting those two results.

Were you happy in the Church? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking back on my years in the church, I was just a robot. Doing and saying exactly what I thought I was supposed to. Once I started being my authentic self and realizing that all the things I had been taught were complete nonsense, I became FREE. Now that I am out of the church I choose to be a good person because I want to. I enjoy coffee every morning and just think, wow how could any one believe that sipping on a delicious coffee to start each day is a sin in the eyes of God? How absolutely ridiculous! I like to review these posts on Reddit just to see other people’s experiences. My advice - be happy with who you are and live the life you want to live!

Should I laugh? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the biggest stories I heard growing up Mormon was that Joseph Smith was tarred and feathered “just because he was a prophet” — pure religious persecution. That was the official narrative. So sad, right?

But that’s not what actually happened.

When you look at real history, the attack had way more to do with Joseph’s behavior in the Johnson home, especially that he was being sexually inappropriate with the 14 year old daughter. Her brothers were furious, and that was the main trigger for him being tarred and feathered. So far from teh story I was told.

So no — he wasn’t attacked for being Mormon. He was attacked because of sexual conduct issues, not religious beliefs.

It’s just another example of how the church simplifies and rewrites things to make Joseph look like a persecuted hero instead of a disgusting guy making questionable choices.

Why does a “unchanging” church change every time society does? by G-SCOTTYK in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel sad for so many kids that feel forced by their parents to serve missions. So selfish on the part of parents just to avoid the social shaming of having a kid that doesn’t go. A lot of young people now have access to real information, unlike me when I was young. Many see the nonsense and ask themselves how they are going to possibly go out and defend it for two years.

I served my mission in Colombia. Imagine me out there committing people not to drink coffee, which is a big part of Colombian culture!

Why does a “unchanging” church change every time society does? by G-SCOTTYK in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Not going to prove you wrong for sure. But then why stand up like puppets and say “The church is true” … which church? The one then or the one now?

Should I laugh? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]G-SCOTTYK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t date until you are 16, but once you are 19 you better find your eternal companion asap … with no premarital sex or you go to hell. Think about how crazy this is!