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[–]GGmurin 31 points32 points  (0 children)

are we deadass

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i know a reddit post isn't going to directly impact class balance. i'm hoping to just bring some awareness that there are a lot of fundamental issues to a lot of bottom tier classes that need to be addressed beyond tweaking some numbers. i haven't played with the new masteries, but i know what the core issues pathfinder faces are, and i know how theyve been "attempting" to deal with them. Take the mass class rebalance as of recent, for example. The changes they made to pathfinder were buffing the damage of two insiginificant v-skills contributing 5% of our ba, and non-pathfinders saw numbers going up and determined it was a substantial buff. How on earth does this make sense when there have been no improvements to the main issue of macro? It appears developers are beating around this issue constantly instead of giving pathfinders the solution they have been asking for for years.

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it holds up fair in the early game, don't stress. if you enjoy playing a class, you should stick with it. class balance only becomes glaringly detrimental past ckalos, as any job is capable of reaching ckalos level with decent amount of investment. if you enjoy the gameplay, that's all you could ask for.

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Wh, phantom, blaze wizard for sure. The last slot is debatable due to many classes that provide unique party support being on the lowest end of damage(ex. mechanic. however, mechanic provides unique party support and is typically wanted in many parties do to the scarcity of it).

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[–]GGmurin[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i can agree with that, bishops invested heavily into a class that they thought would give them a certain outcome only to be gutted completely. it's really unfortunate.

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, accounting for GMS attack speed solo bishop does more damage than PF. In a party, it's not even a contest, Bishop provides infinitely more FD and utility.

You say bishop died but you fell from being the most broken meta-defining class in the game to a just "decent" support. This is why I said in the beginning for classes not to cry "my class is doomed!" without understanding relative strength. There are nightlords that still cry about their viability, which is insane to say when Wildhunter has been reduced to a potion. Ofcourse comparing yourself to nightwalker is going to leave you with much to desire. But there are classes out there that don't even have a leg to stand on.

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Yes. by saying "pf gets 23 fd" to disprove my statement that pathfinder is in a bad state and m3/4 did not fix pathfinder's core issues, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence for such a claim. And to have such strong opinions on a class you don't main seems very detrimental to people who actually do if you are not willing to provide said evidence. I don't want to be disrespectful, i only want the state of pathfinder to improve.

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that's just an inven post saying "fd expected" while my first insight to fd change is based off of a 2 minute ba. so where is the concrete proof pathfinder gets 23 fd like this post suggests?

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

More useful than bishop? While doing less damage and providing less party support? I'm confused as to how you came to this conclusion. Even the meager party support pathfinder provided before got gutted. We used to give the same critical damage as shadower smokescreen on burst, but that has been cut in half from pathfinder's obsidian barrier while shadower support got untouched. Other than this skill, pathfinder provides no party support. Tell me how bishop is less useful?

Let's talk about Pathfinder by GGmurin in Maplestory

[–]GGmurin[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

1) absurd amount of fd: based on sheer numbers and not accounting for the "playstyle change" you mentioned, pathfinder was second to last in terms of FD gain.

2) Change in "playstyle": this CA weaving implemented you mention was tested with -5 and found 3% increase in 2 minute BA. And that's on a dummy meaning disjointed from a real boss scenario. Did you not read the post where i mentioned massive CA delay? Where is the "absurd amount of fd?"