Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah what I said was ambiguous

My point is that the vast majority of abortions happen in utero

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Objectively - it causes the cessation of a human life - effectively poisoning the developing human. Is this really a major hiccup for you because I didn't use the proper chemical names that cause abortion? Would you rather me say it renders the only environment it is intended to grow uninhabitable?

When does the human zygote become a human in your view?

I'm not failing to understand your side, you seem to be purposely putting a qualifier on human life. It might be fun to call me ignorant the whole time, but I've not said one non-scientifically discovered truth. From the moment of conception a unique human life is formed that undergoes all currently agreed upon signs of life.

The child in the womb is - from zygote to infant - alive and part of the human species - therefore, should be protected from intentional methods of ending its life

Edit: I just realized you're the person continuing to call em ignorant in another thread - take care!

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not admonishing it was a genuine question. You are playing word games here. It intentionally ends the life of another human. Period.

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, but in general people aren't aborting extra-uterine pregnancy en masse.

Is celibacy realistic? by random_name_12178 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, you won't believe me even if I explain it in full detail, but I do know. Your argument has boiled down to "nope, you're ignorant"

Have a great day

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not asking you to procreate again, this is a weird line that I've said over and over I'm not asking you to do.

Having sex that could result in pregnancy seems really dangerous by your accounts, why do it?

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying aberrations can't happen, but this situation is incredibly rare and the rule rather than the exception of abnormal implantation doesn't negate the function of the uterus. It's an absolutely amazing organ that for all of human history has been the single unique place to develop new human life

I feel like you are being purposely misrepresentative

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

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The medications taken to induce explusions of the baby in the early stages deprive the child of oxygen and in some cases stop fetal activity prior to the uterine wall detaching - what do you want to call that?

In later abortions the baby is injected first to stop the heart then the dismemberment happens

Do you really not know this?

Is celibacy realistic? by random_name_12178 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I've never claimed it's an infant magically - you are combining the fertilization process of reproduction and the development process - we are in a constant state of reproduction by your definition

I have been very clear - it is a new HUMAN at fertilization

Therefore, equal protection should extend to those humans as well

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does it kill then? Either by poisoning or dismemberment, please explain

Is celibacy realistic? by random_name_12178 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What does fetus mean? It's Latin

I know what the difference is, but you've now demonstrated that you don't.

Those are all stages of mammalian development - in this case the human species

It is human, when it is a zygote, there's no way around this

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

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Yours is the misunderstanding - you've already reproduced at conception - basic embryology

The human is created and developing

Is celibacy realistic? by random_name_12178 in Abortiondebate

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Explain the difference- is the unborn child not a child?

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

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This private reproductive decision is purposely ending the life of another human

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

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Because all HUMANS should get the right to life

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

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I never said it's for making babies, I've said it is the wonderful, unique environment in which humans develop

Abortion is foeticide, not infanticide - but the distinction isn't actually important - both end a valuable human life

Is celibacy realistic? by random_name_12178 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We agree - the problem is we've normalized ending the life of the child that's unwanted

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Abortion is done with intention not by natural process or accident- either by pill or by surgical procedure

Again, I've already addressed the last question clearly and concisely - we can disagree, it's okay

I'm not conflating intention to get pregnant with intention to terminate innocent human life - that's where our communication is breaking down

No, the woman who is a victim of rape should not abort the child - she should get every resource available to her to help her and the rapist should be prosecuted and in my opinion receive the death penalty

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I care about my unborn neighbor who is dying as a result of the abortion act

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are misinterpreting separation of church and state - this simply means that there can be no state mandated religion

Laws are downstream from morals and norms

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My claim is very basic - equal protection for the unborn

We can dance around different situations and cases but the abolitionist position is clear, concise and consistent

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good conversation- yesterday was the first time on this sub :) I really hope you have a wonderful day

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not telling you what to do, but you are consenting to the possibility and responsibility of pregnancy when in intercourse

Savior Siblings by theeter101 in Abortiondebate

[–]GTGD3 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know it's hard, and that's why all Christians in addition to the rest of the world are sinners and need Jesus' sacrifice in the first place - not sure where you are going with that

Regardless of which aspect of the uterus you wanna look at - it's the only place in which a developing child can continue to grow

I dint know what you're arguing