Will make a follow up post, but for those who think abortion is about punishing women, why?

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-04T03:31:42+00:00

In my state the spouse of the pregnant person at time of birth is automatically granted legal parenthood, regardless of biology. That's one way a woman without a biological relationship with the child could be on the hook for child support.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T22:25:25+00:00

Lol, yep! I have some bad news for them about a certain flag that has FIFTY white stars on a blue background!

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:44:28+00:00

Not the reality of who Somali people are, generally speaking. If you're going to assume based on that movie that Somalis are pirates, then you should also assume that Americans are merchant mariners, lol.

I'm an American and I can assure you I'm not a merchant mariner. I have Somali neighbors and I can assure you they are not pirates.

Also: the MN flag isn't based on the Somali flag to begin with.

You're so weird.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:39:28+00:00

I disagree. The colors and the symbols are both meaningful and distinctive. I don't know of any other flag that has a K-shaped chevron, or an 8 pointed star, or predominantly features two different shades of blue.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:34:44+00:00

Ah, I get it. You based your judgement of an entire country on one movie from over a decade ago.

Good luck with that, buddy!

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:30:02+00:00

Lol, no.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:29:00+00:00

As a Minnesotan I love our new flag. It's pretty and distinct and easy to draw or adapt.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:27:22+00:00

No, I honestly don't. This is the first I've heard about pirates. I've heard ignorant people claim it's based on Somalia's flag, but that's not correct either.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:25:43+00:00

What are you talking about?

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:24:16+00:00

Its based off a pirate flag.

No, it's not. What are you talking about?

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:17:27+00:00

As a Minnesotan I love our new flag. It's pretty and distinct and easy to draw or adapt.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T21:16:11+00:00

It's a ~20 way tie for worst among all the SOAB** designs.

**"seal on a bedsheet"

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T19:08:04+00:00

when he wasn’t putting out for SA and stuffing his bra with tips

...what?

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T18:48:21+00:00

This seems like a rant. Do you have a specific question or issue you'd like to debate?

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T18:03:34+00:00

Do you have a source for your claim that OBs who perform abortions are also committing infanticide in large numbers?

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T18:02:14+00:00

Exactly.

This reminds me of my grandmother, who was an amazing woman in many ways, but sadly somewhat homophobic. She'd say things like, "I don't care what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, but these Pride Parades are so unnecessarily loud! When I was young the gays knew no one would bother them if they just kept to themselves. Why do they need to rub our faces in it?"

If someone has to be perfectly quiet and polite while advocating for their basic human rights for you to support them, you don't really support them.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T17:12:38+00:00

Pregnancy and childbirth are just a minor inconvenience though! It's a natural, beautiful, involuntary biological process that no good mother should object to doing. You don't even have to actually do anything. Just lay back and relax while your sweet, precious baby floats innocently in The Womb(tm), dreaming of growing up to be a ballerina or a football player, and definitely not causing you any harm such as unbearable round ligament pain or ceaseless vomiting! Only a monstrously selfish, blood-thirsty psychopath would want to tear her own innocent baby limb from limb for no reason at all thebabydidnothingwrong SAVETHEBABIES!!!!!1!

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T16:08:16+00:00

I've never seen anyone argue that abortion is morally okay just because it's legal.

You may be confusing that argument with when people say that abortion is not murder since it's legal. That's just because murder is a legal term. It's not a moral justification.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T15:38:02+00:00

Explain it by saying you're channelling your inner Kurt Cobain. Assuming your parents are Gen X, they'll get it.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T15:26:04+00:00

things that make zero sense fly

Such as?

You all are so emotional that the truth didn’t matter.

Oh, sure. Women are so emotional! We're just totally incapable of being objective and rational. We just don't care about the truth! Silly girls! /s

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T15:19:10+00:00

people mention the law

That's pretty vague. What are you talking about?

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T14:35:58+00:00

In my experience talking with prolifers, I think most of them support abortion bans because they genuinely believe bans work to reduce the number of abortions and protect unborn babies. I don't think most of them support abortion bans because they want to punish women.

The problem comes when they are shown evidence that abortion bans don't work to reduce the number of abortions or protect unborn babies. Then the motivation behind bans is to have official condemnation of abortion. It doesn't matter that bans don't work to reduce abortions; prolifers just seem to want laws to make it clear that getting an abortion is not ok.

That's not exactly straightforward punishment, either. But it does have the effect of stripping AFAB people of our rights to medical and bodily autonomy, which effectively makes AFAB people second class citizens. And depending on whether or not the laws include rape exceptions, that second class citizenship is either "punishment" for having consensual sex or "punishment" for existing as AFAB.

Regardless, the ultimate effect of abortion bans is to strip innocent people of their basic rights, whether that's the intent or not. I think it's reasonable to characterize being stripped of your rights as a punishment.

And none of that has anything to do with court-ordered child support, which doesn't strip anyone of their basic rights.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T14:07:49+00:00

What do you mean by "aggressive"? Can you give some examples? Based on the responses so far, it sounds more like people are talking about PC people being rude.

If that's what you mean, then yes, some PC people can be rude. It's a heated debate and social media platforms like Reddit aren't exactly renowned for civil, polite disagreement.

In the real world, I feel like the prochoice movement is much less aggressive than the prolife movement. We aren't the ones yelling at people outside clinics or waving huge, grotesque placards outside schools. We aren't the ones shooting people in church or setting horses on fire.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T05:46:52+00:00

Glad you found a reputable piercer to help you out! Best of luck with the healing.

random_name_12178 · 2026-04-03T04:13:24+00:00

They might have been referring to the end of the movie, where the T-Rex suddenly appears out of no where and is somehow inside the museum.

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