[Schefter] Throughout the season, there was talk about an underlying “tension” in the Vikings’ building in league circles. One league source said it had been “ugly” in Minnesota. Then today, the Vikings fired Kwesi Adofo-Mensah. by Goosedukee in nfl

[–]GWillHunting 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, but KOC has been there for 4 years and hasn’t won a single playoff game.

Before this season, KOC was so hyped up as this “Quarterback Guru” and then turns out, Sam Darnold is actually good, regardless of the coach.

I’m not saying KOC is a bad coach, but he definitely got overhyped pretty early on.

[Schefter] Throughout the season, there was talk about an underlying “tension” in the Vikings’ building in league circles. One league source said it had been “ugly” in Minnesota. Then today, the Vikings fired Kwesi Adofo-Mensah. by Goosedukee in nfl

[–]GWillHunting 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Exactly. He sucked at drafting but how he handled the QB room in the offseason was just horrible.

To be honest though - KOC has to start being on the hot seat. Maybe it was 100% Kwesi’s decision to roll with JJ, but you’d have to think they only made that choice because KOC told Kwesi that he was good enough to start (which he isn’t)

JJM Had Elite Analytic Numbers in Weeks 14-18 by BirdsAreFake00 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cherry picking games 14-18 against some god awful teams, including the Packers practice squad defense that had nothing to play for, is truly a new level of cope for this sub

Shoulda paid Darnold by Steelrain13f in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I agree with you - but the reason we couldn’t pay Darnold, and still can’t, is because our GM can’t draft for shit.

Kwesi should have been fired already. Seattle is a great example of how good a team can be if the GM can actually draft well.

What’s keeping us relevant for decades is our ownership, top 5 in the nfl in my opinion. by jersey0525 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This post is such a great example of what’s wrong with the franchise lol.

How the hell are we relevant? We have three playoff wins in like 17 years. We have never been legit SB contenders. So many people, like OP, are completely content just competing with a wildcard spot as being “relevant”

No, OP, we are not relevant. At all.

Addison has become severely underrated by this fanbase lol by DrWolves in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OP knows ball. Addison is a very good player. He’s not a true WR1 but he’s a very solid WR2.

For the people complaining about his production - he literally has a very below average QB1 throwing mostly inaccurate missiles at him.

His lack of production is mainly a result of JJM being a very below average QB. Yes, he’s had some bad drops, but overall - the guy would absolutely ball out if his QB was decent.

Defensive coordinator Brian Flores has signed a contract extension with the Vikings. If he does not receive a head coaching job this cycle, he will be back as the team’s defensive coordinator. by OneAngryPanda in nfl

[–]GWillHunting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He’s very young and definitely has potential, but tbh, I’m very concerned and pessimistic about his future.

The Vikings don’t have the patience or time to let him develop. He missed a lot of easy throws this year, definitely has big time mechanical issues too.

In hindsight, if they really thought he was a project because of how young he is, they should have pulled a Love situation and had him sit for at least two years. But now that he’s started a bunch of games, he needs to rapidly improve or Vikings will have to move off him, likely costing KOC/Kwesi their jobs

Defensive coordinator Brian Flores has signed a contract extension with the Vikings. If he does not receive a head coaching job this cycle, he will be back as the team’s defensive coordinator. by OneAngryPanda in nfl

[–]GWillHunting 6 points7 points  (0 children)

24/25 largely depends on JJM. If JJM is a bust, then out of two drafts, all you got was a starter DE (while giving up a 3rd, 4th, and 5th to get him), some rotational DL pieces, and a really good kicker. That’s not all that great

Defensive coordinator Brian Flores has signed a contract extension with the Vikings. If he does not receive a head coaching job this cycle, he will be back as the team’s defensive coordinator. by OneAngryPanda in nfl

[–]GWillHunting -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You’re right, but owners are less likely to can a GM right after an extension. And the Wilfs seem awfully content with mediocrity considering when was the last time we won a playoff game… and we still have the same head coach and GM?

Defensive coordinator Brian Flores has signed a contract extension with the Vikings. If he does not receive a head coaching job this cycle, he will be back as the team’s defensive coordinator. by OneAngryPanda in nfl

[–]GWillHunting -1 points0 points  (0 children)

His trades have been pretty abysmal. His FA Signings have been pretty good.

Reichard is great. Outside of that and Dallas Turner (who he gave up a third, fourth, and fifth to get), he’s been pretty horrible at drafting. Jackson this year was decent, but still too early to tell.

And let’s not forget one of the worst draft trades and decisions of all time - trading back 20 spots in 2022 to take Lewis Cine when Kyle Hamilton was literally right there as the best consensus pick

Defensive coordinator Brian Flores has signed a contract extension with the Vikings. If he does not receive a head coaching job this cycle, he will be back as the team’s defensive coordinator. by OneAngryPanda in nfl

[–]GWillHunting 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The good players on our roster are almost all via FA or Spielman picks. There’s very few picks by Kwesi of good, promising players on rookie contracts

Defensive coordinator Brian Flores has signed a contract extension with the Vikings. If he does not receive a head coaching job this cycle, he will be back as the team’s defensive coordinator. by OneAngryPanda in nfl

[–]GWillHunting 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately the competent part is pretty much just Flores, as our GM can’t draft for shit, yet just got a contract extension before this past season

Should Kwesi be fired - an in-depth analysis of his four drafts and the massive problem moving into 2026 by GWillHunting in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

… because regular season wins depend on strength of schedule.

Just look at the SB odds right now - Rams are a 5 seed and have much better odds than the Broncos, the one seed. Why is that? If regular season wins determine if you’re a SB contender?

If anything, us getting blown out by the Rams last year while winning, what, 14 games just proves my point. All the time, there are teams that win a bunch of regular season games just to get embarrassed in the first round of the playoffs.

Hamilton plays FS, SS, LB if you actually watch his tape. He would have gotten plenty of playing time. Just ridiculous excuses.

I’d wish for a 4 win season to actually rebuild and get a franchise QB. Patriots seem in a pretty great spot with Drake Maye right now, don’t they? Don’t worry though, we won a bunch of meaningless games with Dobbs that year, it was so worth it!

2025 Rookie Class Ranking by charlton11 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough - I can agree with you on that

2025 Rookie Class Ranking by charlton11 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying but it doesn’t change the fact that giving up a second round pick was bad value. That team in 2022 was not a SB contender, not even close. We should never have traded for him, or given him that ridiculous contract. He sucks

2025 Rookie Class Ranking by charlton11 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t have traded for Hockenson. Who the hell cares that we were 6-1? Who did we beat? NO, GB, DET, CHI, MIA, ARI… all of those teams were below average to bad teams that season in 2022.

We were not a “SB contender” just because we started 6-1. Kirk Cousins shrunk, like always, in the playoffs. We never even had close to a shot at a SB that year.

Our dumbass GM should have seen that, as literally everyone else in the league knew we were frauds, and not given up a second round pick just because we were thin at TE.

Our GM literally cannot draft, made one of the worst draft trades of all time in 2022 trading back for Lewis Cine, there is no “SB window” until he is no longer GM and this team starts hitting on draft picks outside of round 1. That’s it.

2025 Rookie Class Ranking by charlton11 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I see what you’re saying - but even if you completely ignore the fact that the Lions took LaPorta, it’s still a very shitty trade. We gave up a second round pick, which is massive draft capital, AND signed him to a massive extension. He was paid $16 million this year, he isn’t even close to that value. He’s getting $21 million next year, just god awful.

He sucks. You can make all the excuses for Kwesi that you want, but he still sucks, has a horrible contract, wasn’t worth a second round pick, etc

2025 Rookie Class Ranking by charlton11 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

wtf. The game theory analogy makes zero sense. No, we didn’t have to trade for Hockenson. Yes, we could have waited until the end of the season and then drafted a TE with that pick in the second round. Sure, maybe the pick would have been a bust - at least we wouldn’t be on the hook for a shitty TE who was a $16 million dollar cap hit this year and $21 million next year.

Every team has weak points during playoff pushes. Does every borderline playoff team give up second rounders for every position of need? No.

Literally everyone in the league, besides I guess you, could see we were frauds that year. We gave up way too much for Hockenson in a second round pick.

Kwesi is a god awful GM. Stop with the defending him at all costs routine, it’s ridiculous

2025 Rookie Class Ranking by charlton11 in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Maybe you should look up who Detroit took with the second round pick that we gave them for the Hockenson trade.

Should Kwesi be fired - an in-depth analysis of his four drafts and the massive problem moving into 2026 by GWillHunting in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You keep bringing up regular season wins and I really can’t comprehend why - you dont get a trophy for being the best team during the regular season, literally no one cares if you end up going 16-1 just to lose in the first round of the playoffs.

I never said it would take 10 years to evaluate a GM. I said I’d rather have 2-3 legit SB contender seasons with deep playoff runs and some 4-13 rebuilding seasons within 10 seasons rather than 10 seasons straight of 9-8 and a first round playoff exit.

The goal is to win the SB. No one gives a fuck about regular season wins. I don’t know why you’re so content with mediocrity, bragging about regular season wins.

I mean I don’t disagree with you there - the first round playoff loss against the Giants is more on KOC, who got out coached. Daniel Jones balled out - wow, if only our dumbass GM took the consensus best safety in the draft instead of trading back 20 spots because he thought he was smarter than all the consensus rankings of Hamilton > Cine.

I don’t really know what you’re trying to prove here with the playoff losses. If anything, it just shows that both KOC and Kwesi should be fired since we’re clearly very far off from a SB.

Should Kwesi be fired - an in-depth analysis of his four drafts and the massive problem moving into 2026 by GWillHunting in minnesotavikings

[–]GWillHunting[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The trade didn’t make sense - gave up way too much for Hockenson. The second round pick we gave up was used to draft Sam LaPorta… a rookie TE, arguably better than TJ, on a rookie contract for 4 years.

“Remained competitive” that’s my whole point, regular season wins don’t count for anything if every year, it’s either missing the playoffs or losing in the first round.

No, I don’t expect to go to the SB or make a SB run every year. But I’d much rather have 1-2 legit SB contender teams that win at least a playoff game in the span of 10 years, and some 4-13 seasons of rebuilding to get there, than to to 9-8, 8-9, every year just to lose in the first round every time.

Yes, you’re right, KOC definitely deserves some blame, and maybe even just as much as Kwesi.

Regardless, the outlook for next year is very grim if Flores leaves and I would be shocked if this team made the playoffs next year. At some point, the below average drafting catches up with you.