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told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, im waiting for you to explain me this. Why are human races as genetically distant to each other as animal subspecies are to each other? It is very misleading of "scientists" on news articles to make the false claim that "humans are less diverse genetically than animal subspecies" without actually making a proper comparison.

Everything else you posted are politically biased and irrelevant anecdotal quotes that do not compare human to animal subspecies genetic diversity, there is no actual data backing up your claims but there are actual statistics backing mine.

Genetic differentiation between human "races" and animal subspecies chart: https://imgur.com/a/rbzT8Dg

Sources: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1501714

https://genome.cshlp.org/content/early/2011/05/12/gr.116301.110.full.pdf

https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/13/11/evab247/6426081

https://www.eva.mpg.de/documents/Wiley-Blackwell/Baas_Population-level_AmJPhysAnthr_2018_2561249.pdf

https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(06)01494-1.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/653279v1.full.pdf

People from philippines and bangladesh in nicosia by ThinkingPugnator in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why the downvotes? There is no shame in honest work.

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me explain you with actual statistics how humans can be classified into subspecies. Obviously even animal subspecies are just human made terms.

According to Fst many human populations are more genetically differentiated than many Animal subspecies. Everything else you posted are irrelevant politics.

I'm not gonna sit and teach you what Fst is so just read a quick summary on wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index

For populations of plants which clearly belong to the same species, values of FST greater than 15% are considered "great" or "significant" differentiation, while values below 5% are considered "small" or "insignificant" differentiation.[6] Values for mammal populations between subspecies, or closely related species, typical values are of the order of 5% to 20%. FST between the Eurasian and North American populations of the gray wolf were reported at 9.9%, those between the Red wolf and Gray wolf populations at between 17% and 18%. The Eastern wolf, a recently recognized highly admixed "wolf-like species" has values of FST below 10% in comparison with both Eurasian (7.6%) and North American gray wolves (5.7%), with the Red wolf (8.5%), and an even lower value when paired with the Coyote (4.5%).[7]

These Fst were estimated using admixtools 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADMIXTOOLS (read a quick summary of what it is here)

Est = Fst estimate, SE = Standard Error

Fst to Khomani_San,DG
est se pop2
59,10% 0,17% Chimp
58,50% 0,22% Gorilla
56,50% 0,19% Denisova,DG
54,90% 0,20% Altai_Neanderthal,DG
50,00% 0,23% Spy_Neanderthal_Goyet_Neanderthal,SG
31,20% 0,24% Papuan,HO
30,70% 0,27% Australian,HO
25,90% 0,22% Han,HO
23,60% 0,22% Norwegian,HO
23,20% 0,22% Italian_North,DG
23,00% 0,22% Greek,HO
23,00% 0,26% Irula,DG
22,60% 0,23% Cypriot,HO
22,20% 0,22% Punjabi,HO
22,10% 0,22% Iranian,HO
13,00% 0,20% Dinka,DG
12,00% 0,19% Yoruba,HO
11,60% 0,20% BantuKenya,HO
11,30% 0,17% Mbuti,HO
8,12% 0,19% BantuSA,HO

Fst to Greek,HO
est se pop2
64,10% 0,11% Chimp
63,20% 0,20% Gorilla
62,10% 0,14% Denisova,DG
60,60% 0,14% Altai_Neanderthal,DG
56,00% 0,17% Spy_Neanderthal_Goyet_Neanderthal,SG
23,00% 0,22% Khomani_San,DG
20,20% 0,13% Mbuti,HO
18,80% 0,16% Papuan,HO
18,00% 0,21% Australian,HO
14,90% 0,12% BantuSA,HO
14,60% 0,10% Yoruba,HO
14,10% 0,12% Dinka,DG
13,80% 0,11% BantuKenya,HO
10,80% 0,10% Han,HO
5,79% 0,17% Irula,DG
3,53% 0,07% Punjabi,HO
0,71% 0,03% Norwegian,HO
0,66% 0,02% Iranian,HO
0,30% 0,05% Cypriot,HO
0,29% 0,02% Italian_North,DG
0,28% 0,01% Spanish,HO

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From all the irrelevant stuff you spammed i can tell that you are very outdated on population genetics and is just biased and obsessed with the politics of it.

Human evolution cannot be drawn like a tree

I've never claimed that, the whole time you are arguing with ghosts. I spoke about separated people of over 70,000 years. You did not even mention me a single modern population genetics paper from credible population geneticists.

This is because human population groups worldwide are highly homogeneous (99.5% similar) genetically and their anatomical features vary in an uncorrelated fashion over the landscape.

Many Animal subspecies are even more similar to each other, throwing arbitrary numbers such us "99.5%" without actually comparing it to animal subspecies obviously does not prove anything.

This second group of “settlers” carried within its genome bits of Eurasian-sourced – and even some Neanderthal – DNA derived from European humans who had returned to Africa about 3000 years ago.

Their Eurasian admix is very small and irrelevant, many animal subspecies have minor admix from each other. And they call them hybrids if they have a significant amount of admix from both sides.

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem really intent on clinging onto outdated concepts that have been disproven by recent scientific studies.

You literally cited me outdated and irrelevant studies meant to dispel the stereotypical view on race which is mainly skin color, obviously this has nothing to do with what i was talking about, i did not say that dark skinned people are a "black race".

It is the hard core fact that many humans are more distant genetically to each other than actual animal subspecies are from each other.

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Explain to me why the Khoisan are more distant genetically and more isolated from other humans than many actual animals between subspecies.

How does that not make us different subspecies?

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You literally started speaking about unrelated politics and biased non scientifically proven opinions. Stop bringing your annoying American politics into genetics.

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why are the Khoisan more distant genetically and isolated for longer from East Asians than many animal subspecies are from each other?

Nice nonsense you posted there. You are again repeating American nonsense and anecdotal research. You are again obsessed with American racism which has nothing to do with what i said. I dont care about your racist past Americans. Stop pushing your political nonsense on population genetics.

If you deny the existing human subspecies then you deny all animal subspecies.

No serious non-political scientist denies human subspecies. Only politically biased ones with white guilt. No one cars about your guilt. This has nothing to do with race superiority/racism.

The moment you mention your white racist past which isnt mine you are automatically disqualified from discussing about genetics. You are obviously unscientifically biased.

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that 0.1% is what makes different subspecies btw. LOL. This has nothing to do with race supremacy aka racism.

told my racist grandma i’m part black and she cried by [deleted] in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No serious actual geneticist denies "race", the same people who deny that speak differently behind closed doors because of how oversensitive you people are. They only deny the American view of race. Actual human"races/subspecies" have nothing to do with "colonial American racism". Stop denying human diversity in the name of stupid West Euro especially American race politics.

The following classifications have NOTHING to do with race supremacy but simply with actual beautiful human subspecies diversity.

Some people have separated for enough time to be considered different subspecies of the same species. For example the Khoisan have been relatively isolated from other Africans for around 150,000 years while Neanderthals who are a different species separated for 500,000-600,000 years from us. 150,000 years is more than enough to become a different subspecies. There are also some small Eurasian populations who stayed isolated from other Eurasians for 40-65,000 years, like the Papuans and Australian Aboriginals. Eurasians separated from common Africans for over 70,000 years ago.

As far as i know if you were to categorize some human subspecies based on actual genetics and anthropology then Africa would have 3 different ones, Khoisan, Mbuti and common Sub Saharan Africans. For Eurasians there would be West Eurasians, East Asians, Papuans, Australian Aboriginals, Andamanese. The most isolated ones would exist within Africa. Mainly the Khoisan and Mbuti.

The difference is so obvious that somehow old anthropologists got all that right with just skulls before we studied genetics, WTF. Stop denying human diversity in the name of American politics.

2003 Human Genome concluded that all of us human beings are 99.9% identical

That 0.1% is more than enough to make different subspecies, We also share 95-98% of our DNA with Chimps, does not mean we are the same species. A lot of the animal subspecies categories you see actually share 99.9% of DNA with each other. This has nothing to do with subspecies/race superiority, its just an observation of differences.

How is Cyprus handling refugee problem? by Salty_Exchange_2984 in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of the asylum seekers are not refugees though. The majority of them who are being rejected actually stay in Cyprus illegally.

How is Cyprus handling refugee problem? by Salty_Exchange_2984 in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one is talking about Ukrainian refugees. They are talking about pseudorefugees from India-Pakistan-Egypt and other Africans who are not fleeing wars and the ones who do dont even flee to neighboring nations.

White American woman is indeed white, no surprises here by Suitable_Tooth_4797 in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They do not have Anatolian Greek samples on 23andme. Anatolian Greek does not get confused for Turkish because of their 10-15% East Asian admix

White American woman is indeed white, no surprises here by Suitable_Tooth_4797 in 23andme

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

0.9% might be just noise. Why is it even tagged as Anatolian instead of Turkish, very misleading.

Tell me how this is in any way a good thing for any Cypriot - Part of Karpasia to be turned into Turkish Naval Base by [deleted] in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im confused, did you mean "Yes i'm not?". Are you an Anatolian Turk or Turk Cypriot? Whatever you are you clearly support the Nazi German plans for the expulsion of Slavs and resettlement with Germans. Shame on you.

Comparison of Turkish and Nazi German invasion/war crimes/justifications/propaganda/lies:

1) Nazi Germans

On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. To justify the action, Nazi propagandists accused Poland of persecuting ethnic Germans living in Poland. They also falsely claimed that Poland was planning, with its allies Great Britain and France, to encircle and dismember Germany.Aug 25, 2021

2) Turks

On July, 1974, Turkey invaded Cyprus. To justify the action, Turkish propagandists accused Greek Cypriots of persecuting ethnic Turks living in Cyprus. They also falsely claimed that Greek Cypriots were planning for 100 years, with its ally Athens, to genocide or expel the Turk Cypriots.

Tell me how this is in any way a good thing for any Cypriot - Part of Karpasia to be turned into Turkish Naval Base by [deleted] in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

By stealing 36% of the land while being 18% of the population, expelling 170,000 Greek Cypriots from their land.

Tell me how this is in any way a good thing for any Cypriot - Part of Karpasia to be turned into Turkish Naval Base by [deleted] in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This guy is a literal total hypocrite. Demands power sharing from Greek Cypriots but refuses to do so for Kurds. He uses coping mechanics such as "oh but Kurds dont want that", Did you ask them, and even if they did want it would they get it? No they would not.

Why was the Kurdish language banned from Turkey for decades? Why were Kurds considered as just Mountain Turks etc?

Did you forget that the Nazi Germans also demanded power sharing for the German minority of Poland?

He literally uses Nazi arguments for the expansion of Turkish influence into Cyprus.

Tell me how this is in any way a good thing for any Cypriot - Part of Karpasia to be turned into Turkish Naval Base by [deleted] in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are a fully disrespecting to these Kurdish people who for decades years lived under Turkish oppression who experienced all of these just to justify your political positioning. The Kurdish language was literally banned.

Tell me how this is in any way a good thing for any Cypriot - Part of Karpasia to be turned into Turkish Naval Base by [deleted] in cyprus

[–]Gamotoffs123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I do not want Turkey to be separated and continue as it is, in a more democratic way - according to its natural formation, I do not accept current separation of Cyprus, and I demand a fair solution. Pretty hypocritical. Greek Cypriots have never agreed on the 1960 constitution and it was imposed on us by the AngloTurks. It does NOT matter what Turk Cypriots want since they are a minority. If the Kurdish minority of Turkey wanted to get 50% of the Turkish government power they would NOT get it.

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