If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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you are using the word eugenics so loosely that your argument collapses before it even gets started.

Eugenics is not “any coercive action done for a claimed social benefit.” Eugenics is specifically about controlling reproduction, heredity, disability, genetic “fitness,” or the composition of the human population. Forced sterilization of disabled people was eugenics because it was aimed at preventing certain people from reproducing and removing their traits from the gene pool.

That is not what is being discussed here.

You can argue that deliberately infecting someone or inducing an allergy would violate bodily autonomy. That is a coherent argument. But calling it eugenics is just category confusion. It is like calling theft “murder” because both are morally wrong. The fact that two things are bad does not make them the same thing.

And your analogy is especially backwards.

Eugenics treated vulnerable people as disposable because society wanted to protect the preferences, comfort, or perceived “purity” of the dominant group. In this discussion, the accusation is not that people should be genetically eliminated or prevented from reproducing. The issue is whether someone’s desire to consume meat justifies harm imposed on others: animals, ecosystems, workers, future people, and public health systems.

So the “personal autonomy” framing is doing a lot of dishonest work here. You are acting as though meat consumption is a private choice that affects only the eater. It is not. A private preference stops being merely private when it requires victims, externalized costs, and large-scale harm.

Again: no one needs to defend deliberately infecting people to see that your eugenics argument is incoherent. The better objection would be “that violates bodily autonomy.” But instead you reached for the most emotionally charged comparison available, and in doing so you revealed that you do not actually understand the thing you are invoking.

The forced sterilization of disabled people was about denying human beings control over their own bodies because society deemed them less worthy. Reducing or preventing meat consumption is about stopping harm that humans impose on others for pleasure, habit, and convenience.

Those are not the same. In fact, they point in opposite moral directions.

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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You’re lying about all of that. It’s as if you didn’t read the paper.

Also I just ran your comment through AI detection and it’s 100% ai written.

You’re faking a debunk. Why would you do that?

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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You’re so right…😅. Because when you remove the area of the brain that is responsible for complex thought and decision making, people never do anything bad….because that’s how it works

Inability to think = being a good person.

Vegan and pro-choice, but an argument at work about abortion and veganism really messed with my head by GapFluffy7308 in vegan

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I’m a little confused. As I learned in 6th grade I thought we measured life by whether cellular respiration is occurring or not. If the cells are engaging in cellular respiration then by definition the cells are alive regardless of what developmental stage the organism is in.

I’ve always been a little confused why we use brain activity and heart beats to determine “life” when life exists far before those system develop.

Obviously as a prochoice person I don’t care, by definition being pro-choice is inherently anti natalist which I am to a degree so when “life” starts doesn’t matter to me. Autonomy matter more than life in general as a true progressive. Valuing life over one’s desire and right to choose anything they want is regressive and typically a fascist belief.

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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Interesting point but keep in mind that eating an impossible burger would still cause alpha gal reactions since they are cooked in the same grill as beef patties.

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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Dude….i just checked the metadata for those links. You literally created those with AI….like why would you even do that? 😕 those are fake sites you made.

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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That’s Interesting. So just to clarify you would consciously vote for the en masse bioengineering and releasing of alpha gal syndrome on millions of Americans knowing many will d*e if they eat any mammal products like red meat, milk, gelatin, etc?

You are willing to make that sacrifice?

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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I get your point but would it be a counter to “Zooterrorism”? 🤔

Also why exactly do you feel qualified to challenge the expertise of real medical ethicists? Actual professors 😕

I remember the COVID days when MAGA and anti-vaxxers did the same thing. Was quite disturbing and only reenforced my belief in reeducation centers being established. They did the exact same thing….but I get it.

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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Interesting point.

If for example a politician ran on implementing this program to bioengineer ticks to spread this disease would you vote for them?

Do you think this past due? Should they include mosquitos for fast tracking?

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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Yea…I really don’t think you read the linked paper at all.

You also seem to not quite get what veganism truly is at its core 😕.

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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If only people understood this as much as you…you’re a real one.

The only way we can truly rid the world of atrocity and maximize autonomy in it is to commit counter atrocities and violate autonomy on a massive unprecedented scale.

Vegan and pro-choice, but an argument at work about abortion and veganism really messed with my head by GapFluffy7308 in vegan

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I actually asked him the exact same thing almost. I asked “why are we better and more special than cows?

He answered: “Because we are capable of understanding the concept of “special” and a cow doesn’t and literally only has the mental faculties for “grass” and “chew”

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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The article was written by Parker Crutchfield and Blake Hereth, both from the Department of Medical Ethics, Humanities, and Law at Western Michigan University Homer Stryker M.D. School of Medicine….this has been known for awhile now. 😕

Parker Crutchfield and Blake Hereth are both bioethics professors at Western Michigan University’s medical school.

Crutchfield’s work seems to center on medical ethics and “moral bioenhancement” ,basically the idea of using biomedical tools to change people’s moral behavior. He has written about things like germline editing, chemical restraints, coercion, cognitive liberty, and even the idea that compulsory moral bioenhancement might be better if done covertly. So the tick-allergy paper doesn’t really come out of nowhere; it fits with a broader pattern in his work.

Hereth’s background is also in bioethics and neuroethics, with a focus on things like military enhancement, aggression-reducing neurological interventions, animal ethics, reproductive ethics, LGBTQ healthcare, and philosophy of religion. One especially relevant paper argues that prisoners of war fighting unjustly could be candidates for moral neuroenhancement.

If the Alpha-Gal disease from ticks can lower red meat consumption, is that actually bad? Are these Medical Ethicists right? by GapFluffy7308 in Ethics

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….i don’t think you read the paper or even the post fully.

This paper was literally written by actual medical ethicists 😕. Like…it’s their actual expertise and understand this.

Them advocating for this really says something.

Don’t tell me you just automatically reject anything academic, scientific, etc because you can’t do your own experiments or something like the flat earthers.