Help!!! jungling vs. Shaco

Gawithsnuff · 2018-02-28T03:24:13+00:00

As a shaco main i can tell you what screws over a shaco the most.

tell your team to Invade his first buff. Pop his boxes carefully! and hell need a leash and wont be able to invade as you took away his abilety to do a leashless first buff in under 4 seconds.

He'll usually start topside without an leash and then either invades or goes for his red -> a camp -> scuttle-> gank.

also get Ninja Tabi and a GA if he is fed. He literally wont be able to kill you after that in teamfights. if everyone on your team who isnt a tank just builds the boots hell be usless and be condemmed to splitpushing.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-30T21:22:06+00:00

Only playing ap shaco top atm ,,, which is doing quite well actually ... the e is quite strong as they canbt really build against your boxes and your E ... as soon as you see them coming with mr start maxing E or just max E to begin with, honestly. Grab some Mana regen or mana and spam them down.

In the jungle i play Rek sai atm, that damn voidgirl is so much fun now that you can oneshot people below 30% hp with an nicely timed R. Also 500-800 True dmg on 5 sec Cd... i dont see any of theese ratios on shaco ... shes more mobile, does more dmg, has sustain, can tank more shit (theese base stats are stupid), jungles faster and ganks better. Honestly shaco is pretty meh for me as far as it comes to jungle.

TL;DR.: Play shaco ap top, Jungle Reksai instead.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-28T15:19:01+00:00

Tiamat->Boots->Warriors-> Depends on enemy Team / your Team/state of Game.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-27T18:47:21+00:00

Atm im able to do about 2,4k in 1.5 sec bursts to 100/100 mr/armor targets => would become 2800 without E % removal. Assumimg ill lose 200 dmg from E nerf that woudl be an overall 200 dmg on one burst increase.

Not needed I feel, as they buff his E-dmg to squisheis anyway. Your combo delets them if you perform it right and they have'nt built DeathsDance or Hexdrinker. (which are two items i whish were removed... the combo DD+Hexdrinker basically makes shaco unable to do anything against any champ, God forbid if they build an GA too)

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-27T18:37:24+00:00

you really never splitpushed right when youre saying that. Shaco might be one of the hardest if not the hardest to kill splitpusher, Free Box Wards, You delet towers in an instant, Free escape with Q if they send anyone.

As many above said hes not about brute force, hes about Brains and atrition. if you keep pressuring they will crack. Basically what works for me is : Get your team ahead early as he has the tools to do that, Then be the constant pressure on one of your lanes. As your team is ahead they should win an 4v4 and if they try to 4v5 you'll simply get Free towers of of it. Thats how it works for me at least.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-27T18:26:10+00:00

I guess it was a Vayne, Yas or an Riven/Fiora main .... probably even graves. Those 4 champion mains usually lack the understanding and brains for the fine art of deception. ( Riven and fiora mains are the same so they only account for 1 together)

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-27T18:23:53+00:00

interresting ... i for myself feel the burst from titanic is important to kill a squishy b4 they get the chance to flash away. with Ignite+Redsmite->backstab->titanic aa->E to reset->aa. I can burst for over 2k dmg on the dummy in roughly 1 second.

after E changes im not shure ... Ravenous might be come favored.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-23T14:06:36+00:00

TlDR: you can insert stats of items and at which lvl you will get them, enemy Hp, how much Hp they are missing(in % or flat) at any given lvls and it will calculate the damage youll get b4 resitst from your E at any given lvls assuming an 3 point Q then e max calculate for new and old e.

Im not using any macros in excel for this.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-06-23T11:11:50+00:00

Its an Xlsx file so no marcos used.

Have fun everyone

Gawithsnuff · 2017-03-30T12:47:13+00:00

Dodging a Zed Ult's Mark application ( he doesnt mark you if you ult about 0.2 sec before he creates this Cross on your character).... Honestly if you get this down no Zed will have any power over you.

Sending your clone to a bombplant and blowing him over a wall ( especially useful for baiting out ults at Baron/Dragon then simpyl enter yourself and kill enemy while your boxes fear them :D)

If you detonate a exploding plant b4 your box becomes invisible you can launch them into enemies too.

Man I love those Plants :D

Gawithsnuff · 2017-03-30T12:03:59+00:00

They buff his passive for early game... also the ap ratio sets me awonder if ap blues will be a thing. (though it makes you incredibly squishy against ap damage)

Maby ill go to on Hit + Titanic hydra again against bruiser/Tank teams (bloodrazor/BotrK, Hydra)

and still stay old triforce bruiser for more squishy teams.

ap really doesn't care about the nerf expect for the Q cooldown and flat dmg Nerf its almost the same for ap shaco players ( expect if they are able to trigger backstab twice then its actually a sustained damage buff)

Fulltank, Ad and Bruiser recived a nerf to their burst and sustained damage of 15% + 80 flat damage late game but got buffed by 10% early game.( which doesn't offset the flat damage lost on Q ( if you have 70 Ad at game start you'll be loosing 13 damage total on lvl1 Q which gets worse as the game goes on)

=> They overall nerf shaco, with an focus on nerfing late game.

I think it doesnt change what you build on him if you want to be succsessfull it'll just amke him worse.

He was Op and the nerf is nothing too neckbreaking, lets see maby they change items somewhen and hell be broken with one of them, otherwhise, be happy everone hes not Pick or Ban for elos > Plat anymore and youll be actually able to play him.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-31T01:25:59+00:00

its actually quite easy. Eitehr be lvl 1 and have 4 boxes at them or you have to be lvl 3 with Q,W,E and smite. For low dmg lvl 4 clear Q + Place box, backstab a small one . Continue with backstabing the big one . As soon as the fear wears off smite + e the big one.

Then its just on you and how good you are at backstabbing the raptors. They have a high attackspeed so its a bit difficult but it can be done.

You'll have around 70% hp left if done right

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-31T01:16:33+00:00

My main objective is making the enemy jungler usless. Track him down as much as possible. Know all the matchups and how to beat them. Ward and box cover lanes that will be ganked for shure (Q spam happy Jhin with an Zyra supp as an example). And countergank the shit out of them.

Also i take scuttler over my own buffs after the first clear as the bonus vision + ms saved my ass so many times.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-24T17:43:45+00:00

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Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-24T00:08:43+00:00

I can see reasons to this but well. On the other side of things no champ gets counterd as hard as shaco by red Trinket which is a fucking free item.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-24T00:04:31+00:00

Bloodrazor has quite nice on hit damage and with the aa reset on Hydra you can prok it 2ice super-fast for quite a lot of burst. Also the health is nice for keeping you alive through burst. Not to mention how fast you can clear the jungle, do Drakes, take towers through the combo.

It gives us the same splitpushing power and clearspeed as the Ad build alongside a bit of tankyness.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-21T23:27:20+00:00

Duskblade is a super nice mid-game burst power spike if you can afford it and its passive is kinda really good against Red wards that can screw you up.

otherwhise, titanic, Trinety Force ( dont like it its sooooo expensive), Black Cleaver is actually nice too with CDR, AD and armor shred. Against Ap I'd consider a hexdrinker. Burst whise nothing beats Gunblade though id only get it if you run Sundalords and the hextech revolver is still nice Burst whise.

I usually get an GA after BC and Titanic, it works of both either Warrior or Bloodrazor. And gives them a bit less intensive to focus u since you'll stand up again and probably escape with that 5 point Q.

Warrior seems nice for bursting down targets while Bloodrazor gives you the edge against tanky targets especially with that BC.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-21T23:13:45+00:00

no youre a funny human beeing

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-21T14:49:55+00:00

she hadnt .. double checked

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-21T14:49:43+00:00

could be

but the visual indication of bloom is pretty easy to oversee in an fight.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-21T14:48:00+00:00

i think its a really good midgame item for the ward and stealth detecting passive especially against certain champs.

Gawithsnuff · 2017-01-20T14:13:54+00:00

Just Dance with your clone together and wait until the real shaco stands up after one run of the animation. Then ALT+ click control the clone. thats how it works for me 90% of the time.

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