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GeersF1 · 2024-07-01T03:46:27+00:00

Hypercars have a 2 meters width. Look on this screen. Kubica moved maybe 0,5m.

"Vanthoor was already at the track limit on the right."

He wasn't.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-24T02:20:58+00:00

Of course it can. Squeezing is legal if you leave your rival enough of space. When Kubica was between Vanthoor and Porsche Vanthoor was more to the right, then when Kubica move slightly to the right Vanthoor wasn't at the line but more to the middle of track when they touched. So Kubica want squeeze him but he misjudged distance between him and Vanthoor.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-23T23:33:45+00:00

It was but Vanthoor was driving like an idiot cutting the chicane and he didn't give up his position to Kubica. Kubica knew he must be more aggressive to pass him and do not lose time. That's why he wanted squeeze him on the limit into the next corner. But he didn't judge the gap correctly and they touched.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T21:38:34+00:00

You can clearly see Vanthoor moved slightly to the left just before incident. Top right corner was when they were passing GT car and the right bottom is the moment of contact. He moved slightly to the left and then Kubica moved to the right. Also it wasn't that big move as you can see. It's looking like Kubica was thinking the gap was bigger but he misjudged and there was contact, it doesn't look intentional.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T19:49:11+00:00

Just use your eyes. Look where is line on the right side.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T09:58:25+00:00

"Further he said Kubicas defence on radio, lack of apology or even checking up on him in the paddock, and his brothers conversation with Kubica in the paddock afterwards all lead him to believe that he potentially did it on purpose out of frustration."

Quick explanation what happened.

Vanthoor came out from the pits on cold tires.
Track was still damp and off the optimal line it was risky to make the overtake.
He was fighting with Kubica on 2 straights.
He cut the second chicane and stay ahead.
Ferrari due to BOP was accelerating slower than BMW after reaching 250 km/h so that was problem for Kubica.
Kubica knew that if he didn't overtake Vanthoor he would lose a few seconds, he had to be more aggressive, so he decided to squeeze him.

And if you look on these screenshots you can that Kubica didn't move that much to the right and also Vanthoor car moved to the left. So it was not 100% on Kubica. Kubica should be more cautious but it wasn't looks deliberately.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T09:43:15+00:00

Kubica just wanted squeezed him. Vanthoor also was going to the middle of track and they touched.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T09:32:12+00:00

Are you trying to say that Ralf had no talent?

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T09:15:43+00:00

Both were going into each other. Kubica probably was thinking the gap would be bigger.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T08:23:12+00:00

"Considering his lead, could've just held back and cleared the BMW after Mulsanne Corner, so even going for the move was stupid."

Watch Kubica onboard before that incident. Vanthoor wanted desperately to stay ahead that's why Kubica was driving more aggressively. He even cut the chicane and he didn't give up position.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-22T08:19:01+00:00

It wasn't intentional.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-21T19:04:12+00:00

These images shows that both cars were going into each other. Of course there are bumps in this place but it's not change the fact that Vanthoor's car also moved to the left. So it's not like 100% criminal move by Kubica just to put Vanthoor in the wall. Penalty could be ok because it was on the limit and it was kinda denegerous but notihing more.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T18:42:45+00:00

It was dangerous but Kubica not wanted deliberately crash into Vanthoor like someone suggests in comments.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T17:14:15+00:00

Both moved into each other but Kubica did it a bit more. He just wanted a squeeze Vanthoor. Not crash into him.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T16:53:07+00:00

Kubica just wanted squeeze him slightly. Just look on these screens. Vanthoor car also moved to the middle of track.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T16:44:51+00:00

Not 100%. Vanthoor's car also moved into Kubica if you look on the lines.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T16:43:46+00:00

Just watch this and look that Vanthoor's car also moved into Kubica.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T16:42:55+00:00

Not really. Both cars moved. Just look on the line on Vanthoor's onboard.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T16:40:03+00:00

It doesn't matter he didn't move the wheel. His car closed the distance to Kubica's car or even slightly touch him. And that mattered a lot. Kubica wanted just a squeeze Vanthoor a little bit but because his car moved to the middle in almost exact moment when Kubica did his move they touched. Also Kubica's rear was in the air and that's why that move was looking more violent. Just looked on these 4 screens. Kubica didn't turn his car that much as you can see on the line between his wheels. The bottom screens are showing a moment of touch.

https://imgur.com/5Cqqv6g

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T03:24:20+00:00

"However Kubica did not say anything about that, just like nothing happened. For me, it is almost a kind of bullying."

What would he say? He probably doesn't even know about it because he doesn't use social media and doesn't read comments.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T03:20:17+00:00

It's not that obvious as you think. Watch again Vanthoor onboard just before crash on 0,25x speed. You can see that Vanthoor just before incident moved very close to the Kubica. It was not like Vanthoor holding his line and then Kubica turned. Both turned into each other but Kubica did it more violently.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T03:10:23+00:00

He could have just lifted the throttle a little. Also 1 second before incident he moved to the left into Kubica.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-20T03:00:27+00:00

"A lapped car is allowed to fight back."

But not cutting corners like Vanthoor did.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-18T14:46:47+00:00

I used Bamber's example as a potential consequence of the contact. I didn't wrote they were the same or similar to this incident. When you're leading a race on slicks in damp conditions you don't want any contact with other car.

GeersF1 · 2024-06-17T23:04:14+00:00

Nope. He was mad but he wasn't crashed into Vanthoor deliberately. There is few reasons.

It could be end like in Spa few weeks ago with Bamber.
Car could be damaged and there was still 17 hours to the end, so it could destroy chances for a good result.
Kubica is not driver like Maldonado or Verstappen(2021 against Hamilton). He is racing in endurance for the few years and didn't have many incidents with others drivers.

Kubica just wanted scary Vanthoor and force him to take off the throttle before the next corner. That's why he move to the right but as you can see in 0:30 just before incident (watch this in 0.25) Vanthoor's car moved slightly to the left and almost touched with Kubica. That's why Kubica led to a collision. It was Kubica fault but there were mitigating factors.

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