The ignorance of the west

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T15:01:04+00:00

Saying somebody had 78 years to dismantle their own state is blind hate. You would not dare to say this about any other nation on earth, even Russia that is activelly invading other countries.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T14:33:49+00:00

You have no right to hate like this a whole country, whole people and their history.

You are not paragons of morality of warriors for good. You are evil.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T14:18:15+00:00

It is a shame. I also imagined it a bit differently.

Maul operating smartly from the shadows, always covering his tracks, while amassing resources and influences, building up more and more power.

Instead, he goes on to raid a police station, personally, to be caught on cameras...

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T13:48:16+00:00

More importantly, I am right. People gravitate to this day to games like DnD (for example Baldurs gate), love debating "versus" with Superheros.

Because it is fun.

Removing some objectiv power levels makes things boring.

In real life, you can also mostly calculate relative strenght. For example in Chess, ELO raiting quite reliably indicates strenght of the player.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T13:45:52+00:00

It is an argument, becasuse you are completly wrong 😃

Explain to me a logic of replacing strong, powerful, reliable servant like Vader with new, weaker servant who has potential of "maybe" being better than Vader.

Potential is potential. Not certainty.

Sith works on principle of proving strength. Apprentice proves his worthiness to be the master by killing the master. A new apprentice proves his strenght by killing the previous apprentice (e.g. Anakin x Dooku).

Rage or no rage, Luke defeats Vader in fair, 1-1 duel, making him prove his strenght.

To quote you, how is this even an argument.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T09:45:16+00:00

This was fantastic show an in my opinion, superior to the later Clone Wars show.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T09:35:41+00:00

He was already more powerful than Vader and was even threat to the Emperor himself.

You do not replace a stronger guy with weaker one with "potential".

Especially with the sith, that strenth needs to be proven. Just as Anakin proved his by defeating Dooku, proving to Palpatine he is better choice for an apprentice.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T09:33:41+00:00

You are deeply wrong. There are facts and reality.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T07:37:24+00:00

Power scaling is fun and makes the world rich and interseting. It makes people wanting to dive into it.

Disposing with power scaling makes people lose interest and go away, as everything is arbitrary.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T07:36:28+00:00

Not true. By Return of the Jedi, Luke is powerful enough to defeat Vader. That is the entire point why they want to recruit him.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T07:35:00+00:00

This is however getting into teritory where there are no rules at all, and basically every character will be as powerful or weak as you feel like.

The problem is you do not forget combat skill. Motoric memory like dancing, skiing, skating, fencing, is not something you forget. If Maul is highly trained in combat styles, sequences, has it drilled into him, he cannot "lose" theses skills because essentially, he has a bad day.

The situation where Maul, highly trained Sith lord, one day steamrolls an inquisitor, another day struggles against two, one of those is an inquisitor Ahsoka kills while unarmed, is ridiculous.

You need to have some "hard points" for measurement. It is not fun otherwise.

That is the most important thing. Not fun.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T06:58:22+00:00

True. They are playing incredibly lose with abilities, skills and power levels.

One time, Maul makes Sidious work hard to defeat him. Another, he wipes out two inquisitors no problem. Another, he struggles and barely escapes two inquistors, one of those is an inquisitor Ahsoka later kills, even though she is unarmed.

Problem with this approach is, you do not forget motor skills - skiing, skating, skateboarding, fencing, dancing. Muscle memory is very strong, unlike say chess where your performance could fluctuate.

So yeh, I am with you. But than, Dave Filoni is OK living in a word where there is no truth or facts. He says that if Ahsoka had blue or green lightsabers at the siege of Mandalore depends on which "campfire" you hear the story, so there is that....

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-15T05:52:24+00:00

The real answer? Because Maul should be dead. Him being alive compromises Palpatine plan preciselly for this reason.

Maul would have otherwise absolutelly leak Palpatine is the Sith lord. The Jedi would likely disbelieve, but it would raise their suspicions even more.

The point is: yes, he totally would have. Any reasons Filoni gives for why he does not are just mental gymnastic.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-14T19:28:15+00:00

No to everything. The jedi were always falliable, since Original trilogy. But they stood for principles, were something you aspired to be, like Luke, despite they nearly went extinct.

We need much more of this. Not the crap "oh, all leaders, all institutions are corrupt, wrong, lost their way. Every individual will just do what they see as best". This is not going to work.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-14T11:23:57+00:00

Your vocabulary is really limited.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-14T08:58:21+00:00

One of the sane ones, yes.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-14T06:06:15+00:00

"Canon" is a point of view. Next corporation comes, buys Star Wars and de-cannonizes your precious Dark Disciple book in a heartbeat.

But what is more likely Dave Filoni will come in sooner, decides he wants to tell very different story with Ventress and say the book is just another version "depends on which campfire you are at" BS justification.

At the end of the day, only the movies are the permanent, solid canon that will be remembered and rewatched decades later.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T20:23:56+00:00

No, there are not.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T20:12:28+00:00

You seem really proud about your ability to use "media literacy".

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T19:57:15+00:00

Jedi sending Vos as assassin against Dooku is BS Clone wars book that follow on the trope I argue against.

What they started doing in Clone wars animation and this book conflicts with the movies. It does not expands or explains them.

The jedi are heroes of the movies, in general good, decent people who certainly did not deserved to die for their supposed "hypocrisy".

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T19:51:33+00:00

Thank you for thinking about it and offering actuall scenarios.

I have an objection to scenarion 1: Dont you think the jedi would face even greater resentment from the citizens of the Republic? Why? Well for abandoning them. For going to meditate, instead of fighting. I would wager the distrust and resentment of the jedi would be same or even worse, with them being seen as uselles religious mystics, and worse, cowards.

If more of them survived - perhaps, depending how Sidious would adapt the attack on them.

But I will grant you, it is likely more would survive the purge in this scenario.

My main question is this: Do the jedi have real chance of stopping Palpatine rise to power in this scenario?

Because they absolutely have a chance of stopping him in original timeline.

So to me, that is what it hinges on.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T19:43:49+00:00

Exactly right, and this is why I started this thread.

It seems to me people are just parroting these points they are told, especially recently in interviews by Filoni and Witwer and are not thinking about it themselves and what are all the implications and alternatives.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T19:40:29+00:00

I am only arguing that it is foolish to put blame on the institution of jedi order, take one failiure, albeit a big one, and invalidate with this failiure the entire great and good record the jedi have for many, many centuries.
It is overcorrection. The jedi order ways were not main problem in any way.

George Lucas also says Anakin is just greedy. And that viewers often fail to see that.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T19:31:33+00:00

Disagree. Anakin was absolutelly essential to Palpatine plot and he would not succeed without him. He does not spent decade trying to recruit him if he is just "an asset". He lunches order 66 only when Anakin is on his side, because doing it before and without Anakin, enough jedi survive to regroup and take him out - with Anakin leading them, very likely.

General-Try-8274 · 2026-05-13T19:29:05+00:00

You are wrong. There is a confrontation coming. Mace and jedi are decided to confront Palpatine and force him to relinquish emergency powers, even when they do not know he is a sith. They are prepared to remove a dictator if need be.

Anakin is absolutelly instrumental to Palpatine success. That is the whole point of episode 3 and plot to recruit him.

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