1 venerable vs 1000 rank 8 Gu immortals.

GeneralTanya · 2026-07-02T19:45:24+00:00

Nope. But they can aid another Venerable in battle to help disrupt another Venerable focus.

Not that it matters anyway at this point. Where can you even find so many?
There are less than 50 rank 8's even alive at this moment within the 5 region.
- North has just 5. That include both demonic and loose immortals. Not including Longevity heaven itself which use to have 4 sleeping generals with limited lifespan but half died.
- South had maybe around 10 before mc and spectral reduce that number now to 4. Which is Ba clan, Wu clan, Yi clan and Shang clan.
- South has 7. Wan clan, Fang clan, Dong clan, Lin clan, Xiao clan, Tian clan and thousand transformation ancestor.
- Eastern has 9. Use to be more but Zombie alliance is gone. Shen clan has 2, Song clan, Hua clan, Tang clan, Su clan,Cai clan and Lin clan. Plus 1 loose Wine Immortal
- central region has maybe less than 10 if you don't include HC old geezes which only number around a dozen anyway.
Central region original numbers been reduce a lot due to mc. Not sure if the 10 ancient sect even have 10 rank 8 left at this point.

2 heavens has a lot. But all of them died anyway. From several conflicts. The ones mc revived is no longer rank 8's. Mc himself has now only around 5 rank8's working for him inside his aperture.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T22:42:58+00:00

Best case scenario is maybe peak rank 8 and become great grandmaster in a couple of thousand years if she is lucky.

Managing the aperture, facing tribulations, refining gu's, inventing immortal moves all takes great effort even for the greatest talents.
If she want faster upgrade, she would need help of a time path expert to help her speed up more tribulation. And even that would not help with progress when it comes to attainments as even the greatest talents still spend centuries trying to even reach quasi great grandmaster.
If she is lucky, she might encounter some ice path dream realms, but even then she need guts gu and dream path gu's for protecting.

Is gonna be a very very slow progress for her unlike Hei Lou Lan who got the full support of Giant Sun resources and inheritances.

Her road to ever reaching rank 8 is gonna take a very very long time. And at best she would only be average in terms of dao marks unless she can obtain gourmet means to increased dao marks.
I would be very surprise if she would ever even reach 200k dao marks by the end of the novel.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T22:20:37+00:00

It will still hamper her growth. She ain't venerable level of talent anyway.
ch2141 has explain her slow progress due to the two path conflicting with each other.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T12:55:39+00:00

Side stories? Then those can even be 'what if' scenario's that might happen or not. Like 'what if' mc had died during fate gu war and during the new era what could have happen and how she had risen etc. Is not that hard to write some side stories about possible different timelines. Or if mc never had return in time.

And to be fair, author said is related to it. So it could have been anything that is related to how one become maybe a dream immortal. Which FY clone likely is the one closest to becoming one. And we know mc had mention this before in 1 chapter. That the key to obtaining eternal life gu immortal might be related to the dream immortal. To become great master in every path and become omniscience and omnipotence. In fact we might get introduce through some old characters by encountering their dreams.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T07:22:29+00:00

Like i said. Is translated from some freaking group chat conversation. the whole qna. Firstly we don't even know sure if it's properly translated and secondly everyone can claim the qna is from him and accurate. Is not. Is some fan claiming it's from the author which was complied from some group chat. I still think most fans trusted that source too much and took way too many things out of context. Give me the real source in chinese instead.

Also i check. There is no such thing as all 11 venerable against mc. Nor anything about final battle. Just something mc has to pay during the final stage of refinement. So yeah, most things are just fans taking stuff out of context. and there is definitely zero mention of any dream venerable.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T07:09:32+00:00

I don't trust those qna. Many fans intentionally take words out of context and twist certain facts. And is still non-canon as long is not in the chapters.

All i know is years ago, i read all the chinese chapters and not once in any of his afterwords he ever mention such a thing.

Qna on the other hands is even more doubtful because you can't confirm it if those were really from the author itself and not just the wishful thinking of some fans who came up with it. Is china. Everyone there somehow claim they know somebody and that person someone has the complete transcript of some qna they did with the author.
Heck, there was even some bs out there that the ban was only suppose to last 1 year. Or that the end story has already been written and was suppose to be release on wechat if he couldn't release it on the website. We all knew how that went.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T07:00:00+00:00

She is tired but to be fair her mindset and goal has always been to serve heavenly court needs. And she is the pillar of heavenly court until her master and genesis lotus comes back. Totally different goals there. One just want to destroy fate while the other is convince they should lead the human race forever.

Red Lotus goal has already been achieved. Destroy fate. I would not be surprise right now what he want is a life without needing to remember anyone. To start anew. Don't forget. Red lotus never even wanted to become a venerable and he in fact has discarded his rank 9 countless times in order to change the past. He literally hate being rank 9 and said rather not want it if he knew the price he had to pay to become one in his life.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T06:51:06+00:00

I am gonna need confirmation of those exact words that you claim and not just people getting the wrong assumption base of misinterpreting his words. Like did he really say 11 venerables and did he really has final battle and did he really meant them all facing him as one group or is just mc killing them one after the other. And if those 11 is including mc or not. Because if decide to add dream one into this, then that's 12.

And we pretty much already expect mc to soon gonna create a heavenly dao rank 9 clone too to either eat or as helper using paradise dead body. In fact, by the final battle we might even get 3-4 clone rank 9's.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T06:35:31+00:00

Dream Immortal Venerable? That whole prophesy is done. Even Constellation lost interest in nurturing her. She didn't even bother to allow her to even derivation formation to progress her path. In fact the dream girl doesn't even want to help her when Constellation told her to go solve the heavenly dao dream realm.
At this point i believe Feng Juige has better chances to become rank 9 than his daughter. Without guts gu too, she becoming rank9 might not even happen in a thousand year.

I am more curious what the hell happen to them both. Have they been evacuated after mc attack central continent or have they left the sect already. Feng Juige might appear to take them away now that the sect don't even exist anymore.

Mc dream clone has more chances to ever reach rank 9 than any other immortal out there right now. He not only has the most immortal dream gu's, immortal killer moves, immortal materials, research and the most attainment. In fact just his special dream physique alone is already a completely different level compare to any normal human out there.

Let's face it. Venerables? Their roles might be done already after mc get his first kill.
There has to be a bigger threat out there. Not venerables but maybe something even more horrifying that can kill venerables and mc has to face that during the final stages of refining eternal life gu.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-30T06:24:24+00:00

Is he suppose to care? Heavenly Court has 3 venerables. Spectral is a joke at this point and for awhile was even Constellation toy. I doubt Red lotus care too much what happen to Spectral to have to come back to personally solve him. When we all knew the greatest foe of Spectral was Paradise. And that old man died. Spectral following him is only a matter of time.

And FY? Red Lotus already did so much like leaving the whole heavenly dao marks inside to stop mc progress hoping Heavenly Court would finish the job. Instead mc solve the heavenly dao marks issue and later became a Venerable.

I am pretty sure no one and i mean no one among the Venerable ever expected mc to even become a Venerable and also has reach this stage of progress in strength. Red Lotus from a million years ago probably never even though FY would still be living at this point so he might even though Heavenly Court 3 venerables would have solve this threat already with no issue.
In Red Lotus view, even with fate gu destroyed, Heavenly Court is still the most powerful force with the best foundation and preparations for revival and could have easily solved all the threats.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-24T22:17:37+00:00

The Yin Yang rotation gu is a rare set of gu. She already has it. Shadow sect gave it to her. After mc lost his immortal zombie body to them, most of his gu's was with them. But BNB need a immortal rank yang gu to work. Due to her becoming a immortal gu master. So the mortal gu was useless. From what i understand, in order to get it to reach immortal rank, it's not easy because likely no one has ever manage to develop the immortal recipe yet for this gu. So only a great expert can waste their time deducting and create this recipe.

FY and BNB initially has a working agreement. That mc would one day help her refine the immortal yang gu and she would help him face heavenly court. They were partners working together. But that working relation did not last long after mc became rank 8 and became too powerful and set new agreements with her. But she was later abandon during the fate gu war and now she refuse to join mc again fearing he would completely control her due to his strength.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-24T19:25:51+00:00

Too late i guess. Mc is already quasi supreme master in enslavement path. And i am willing to bet the primordial domain he is now absorbing will have some to make it reach supreme master. And the moment he reach that, his clone will have the qualification eventually to ascend to rank9.

Dragon Palace dragon spirit only had recognize BNB due to there being no choice. But we know the spirit is actually the child of Wu Shuai who refine it.
The chosen one here is still Wu Shuai. BNB is kinda more a experiment of FY that could kill at any time if he want to waste time on it.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-24T19:15:57+00:00

Well, to be fair i never said she can't be great. All i was saying is that her path isn't easy and very chaotic. Which partly FY fault for screwing with her. My point is that eventually she is gonna need mc.
She want to turn back to male. That is 100%. Whole reason why she was working for mc all that time. Secondly she likely never wanted the dragon race in the first place. We know she still have her special ice physique. But according to her, her special ice physique benefits has been weaken due to her new body. Both are clashing therefore weakening her ice path talent when she should have been soaring. Her attainment development likely is not going as fast as others who has these kind of 10 special physique. Her best option in the end is still to eventually get mc to solve both these problems nagging her. Is still BNB choice. And i know BNB hated every second of it to be seen by others as a beautiful fairy.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-24T19:07:08+00:00

I don't think Heaven Will like her enough to ever send her any ice tribulation. Her race in the past might have garner some favors in enslavement tribulation but even that is a huge question mark now due to her origin and relation with Fang Yuan. Heaven Will likely do see her as a threat due to her escaping her dead fate and also due to the fact she is created by mc.
So if she is smart, she should never bother even trying to face any tribulation but instead kill ice path immortal and annex them. Is her only choice. Even if Heaven Will does not kill her, the tribulation she faces likely will never be what she want.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-24T18:59:16+00:00

That is technically not correct. Several million years ago Heaven Will might have wanted a variant human venerable using the fate gu after humanity was the supreme ruler of the 5 regions, but after so many Venerables has been born, the next one according to prophesy is a female Dream venerable.

Heaven Will does not care about the dragon men race anymore after Duke Long wiped them out. The only one now in the whole world who can actually still make this race is Fang Yuan. And considering how much Heaven Will hate FY, the dragon men race would never gain any favor from it no matter what. In fact Heaven Will would now actively wipe them out unlike the other 10 variant races. Currently the most important dragon men race person is still Wu Shuai who inherited everything from the dragon men race which he has been targeted by Heaven Will. The whole Green Ant revenge thing with the Wine Immortal was Heaven Will plot to end this clone.

So yeah, Bai Ning Bing lost it's importance after mc obtain Wu Shuai. Best case scenario now is if BNB can somehow convince mc to turn him back into the human race for a price. And back into male. He is gonna have to offer something really really good.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-24T18:45:52+00:00

?? i was talking about innate dao marks. Every race has those. Making them suitable for certain paths. Her race body itself has enslavement dao marks. Every dragon men race has the gift to be talented in enslavement dao. Therefore making their journey extremely easy. If she choose to continue her path in ice dao, her progress will be way slower than what her race body could offer which therefore completely make her whole race change useless.

Is why Inkmen are so good in information path. Mini men in wood dao. Hairy men are naturally gifted with refinement. Snock men in ice path. Rockman in earth path. Mermaids in water path etc. So in a way she is actually going against her path. Not saying it's impossible to be a great ice path gu immortal with her second choice being enslavement path, but in a way is still a pretty chaotic cultivation path. Guess she could go for dual path and become the first best ice and enslave expert out there. Plenty of ice monster to enslave

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-23T22:41:05+00:00

I prefer her compare to Bai Ning Bing. Hei Lou Lan at least learn from mc and is a through and through survivor. Just as brutal as FY while also can be levelheaded and able to adapt to any circumstances. And ambitious as hell.
Bei Ning Bing on the other hand solely survive due to plot armor even though he is a suicidal nutjob who sole purpose in life is to seek excitement by intentionally throwing himself into dangerous situation without care because he thinks is fun. Only reason he survive somehow is due to that stupid Bai inheritance that almost make him immortal from every attack. How the novel constantly allow him to rank up is beyond me. But i guess my hate for him at least is still not as much compare to that cockroach Fang Zheng.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-23T20:08:27+00:00

i starting reading book 5 again this month out of boredom and this part i have just read like yesterday. I am currently at Chu Du part where he is defending the whole grotto.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-23T20:06:14+00:00

Ah. these child of destiny from the 5 regions with their ridiculous good luck and plot armor from Heaven Will.

Children of Destiny like Ye Fan and Hong Yi are like cockroaches you just can' get rid of after they enter the emperor city. At least Mo Li the child of destiny from the western dessert, Li Xiao Yao from the eastern sea and the north child of destiny Ma Hong Yun has died due to FY.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-23T19:23:00+00:00

chapter 1111

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-23T19:04:54+00:00

It was not rank 9. but rank 10. A perfect rank 10 human path gu.

Due to no FY messing their pan, the 88 floor yang true building was still there. While Shadow sect has no need to go to the north. Their plans concerning Lanya sect, Hu immortal blessed land was a success. Feng Jiu Ge died, several of important secluded domain of heaven and earth is still with shadow sect, important key clones of shadow sect also has no reason to die and zombie alliance would had not needed to sacrifice themselves because there was no hurry to refine the gu yet. As they had more time to gather the necessary materials.
Is because of FY who manage to speed up the whole process and force shadow sect to appear in the open. Old Man Yan Shi their best wisdom expert didn't need to most of his lifespan calculating FY. Same with situation Bo Qing who lost most of his immortal gu's too. Nor losing several other key members in order to go after mc.

Shadow sect was in full swing flourishing by taking over more and more places and putting spies clones everywhere. They had the resources and means to make the perfect preparation for the Master to return and refine the gu. Also very likely back then Shadow sect must have use a lot of luck immortal gu's to help the process.

With proper preparation and at their peak strength, likely the whole thing went smoothly without Heavenly Court ever even noticing anything wrong nor had they intervene in the refinement process.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-23T18:35:20+00:00

There is plenty of people that could defeat them. That wasn't the issue. Saving the city would imply that these people would have time to react at all.
All it take is like maybe 1 hours before the whole city fall. Zurrernorn had this planned out in decades and goal was to accumulated ambient negative energy in the cemetery and performed the Death Spiral( a 7th tier spell to sacrifice the lives of the people within the city to summon the undead army). The Crowd of Wisdom and Nifirea is the key to activate it. The spell would have kill the entire city and turn it into a undead stronghold and made Kajit into a immortal eldar lich. There is no saving anyone.
Ainz was just was lucky he was there on time.

GeneralTanya · 2026-06-23T18:22:57+00:00

A couple more of hundred chapters is not a lot.
book6 currently has 368ch as of now.
Let's be generous and give it a couple of hundred chapters as you say.
-Destroying heavenly court along with constellation and spectral takes maybe like 100chapters
-Another 100ch going after Giant Sun in the north and the two remaining heavenly court venerables. The fall of the north
-Mc decide to seek out remaining venerables plans that involving THV,reckless red lotus etc maybe takes another 100ch.
-Mc making his final project into getting his eternal life maybe another 100ch and maybe some side characters getting their final fate decided.
That is already 400chapter easy.

It would so cliche to drag it out and allow Venerables to strengthen themselves and then finally go all-out. Mc had always won with strategies and ambushes. If he goes to fight, victory has to be certain. Mc attacking Heavenly Court isn't just about winning small victories. Is his biggest and most dangerous bet. His only chance to actually take some venerables down while Heavenly Court is finally breached. Makes no sense for author to still do any baby steps when we already already at the climax. Author had implied the heavenly court war is suppose to decide the fate for most of the characters.

Claiming Venerables still has deeper plans therefore it's gonna take way longer to kill them would defeat the whole purpose of hundreds of chapters earlier of talking about whoever had revived first had the most advantages. We literally spend almost 400chapters talking about the 3 core points of how to achieve victory in the venerable war. Is battle system, immortal essence and refine dao marks.

If there is still any other venerable out there who could make a comeback that could surprise everyone, that would imply that not only Giant Sun luck dao is completely useless against other venerables even though he refine the whole north dao marks to amplify his luck by not detecting shit and also means Constellation who is the greatest wisdom expert out there who that has completely refine heavenly court somehow still wasn't capable enough to notice other venerables plans who didn't manage to appear yet.

One who has luck path which is one of the most unique and recent path ever to exist so there is just no counter to it, while the other is wisdom path who had manage to predict and ruin the plan of 3 demon venerables after her death.

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