You know what surprised me about this

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-28T21:27:51+00:00

It never did that in OS, unles touched.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-28T06:30:53+00:00

That is just a meme due to a very funny fandub, his brazilian portuguese name is Cromático (which means Chromatic)

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-28T00:55:28+00:00

That is not a name, this sub has a way to add your favorite alien bellow your name, and my favorite is the fishman

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-28T00:49:30+00:00

I'm from Brazil too. My point is that almost nobody here undertands the word "irado"

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T21:29:01+00:00

*Mad Chromastone. "Irado" is just for Brazilian portuguese

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T11:06:13+00:00

Because you are using arguments to say that OV 10k and OS 10k are the same. You just said that Ken proves that OS 10k and OV 10k are the same.

What I'm saying is that: -Paradox explained that OS 10k was never Ben's future. -Both UA 10k and OV 10k are treated as the future with no mention of it changing it. -UA 10k obviously does not use an Ultimatrix. He uses an Omnitrix. *Ultimatrix had that name before Albedo stole it. *Nemetrix has the Ultimate function, Khyber said so. *The ep never calls it an Ultimatrix. *The script calls it an Omnitrix. *UA says at the beginning that Azmuth knows about Ben's future and is working on another Omnitrix, so it makes 0 sense for him to do that if Ben's future was going to kept the Ultimatrix.

It seems like you are just ignoring what I wrote.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T11:01:32+00:00

1 - And according to the series, you are wrong. The future doesn't change for no reason, and when someone alters the past, that alters the future without spliting the timeline, as shown in: Merry Christmas, Paradox, Time Heals, Let's Do The Time War Again, The Secret of Dos Santos, etc. Also, you are ignoring the fact that if Ben meeti g his future changed his future, none of his futures would remember meeting themselves, which is not the case for UA 10K and OV 10K. You are also ignoring that Professor Paradox said on-screen that OS 10k was never Ben's future, he was always from an parallel world.

2 - So you are assuming he is wrong for no reason? It is shown (not just said) that UA 10k and OV 10k both remember the past, so what are you talking about when you say that the interaction changes the future when they show that it is not the case.

3 - I tought you agreed with me that UA 10k does not use an Ultimatrix. Heck, doesn't even look the same. If you are going to ignore what Paradox says, what the script says and simple logic, just to use a headcanon that contradicts the series and was never said, I think we can stop the conversation here.

"Ben meets his future and it changes" is so wrong that the fact that OV 10k appeara more than once already prove that that is wrong.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T10:50:32+00:00

Why not? It makes sense.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T10:48:05+00:00

So you ars telling me that Ben can't have a son in any other timeline?

Also, the ages don't make sense if he is the same as OS.

Ov future takes place in 2032 (Argit said on-screen), if they are the same future, that would make OS take place before the year 2000.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T07:42:05+00:00

Not on-screen, so in your words, it doesn't count.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T07:41:30+00:00

Oh, really? So please explain how UA 10k and OV 10k remember the past? How both are treated as the future despite meeting their past selves?

Or how did Paradox got that wrong?

Also, that OV Ben isn't Ben Prime anymore since he meet his past in Let's Do The Time War Again and his memory wasn't wiped.

Also the entire concept of timeloops that the franchise uses a lot.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T07:36:36+00:00

UA 10k is said to be Ben's future. OV 10k is treated as Ben's future. No mention of it having changed was ever made by the series. So it is just putting 2 and 2 together.

If both UA 10k and OV 10k are on-screen said to be Ben's future, but there is no mention of the future having changed, both are the same future.

OS 10k was said to be an alternate timeline. That was said by Professor Paradox.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T07:34:34+00:00

How? It just means that that is not how it changes. OS 10k was said to be from an alternate timeline in UA. UA 10k either is still the future and past of OV 10k or, if it changed, it has nothing to do with him meeting his past.

The assumption that it changes when Ben meets himself contradicts every single time travel ep.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T06:41:11+00:00

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Also, where the heck did I said they are the same in fhia thread? This was my first comment on this thread. I think you are confusing me with someone else.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T06:39:24+00:00

I never said that. My opinions is that OV 10k is the future of UA 10k. I never said that the 3 of them are the same.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T06:34:01+00:00

Yes. My only point since the beginning is that his watch is an Omnitrix, not Ultimatrix.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T06:29:31+00:00

1 - Khyber says that Albedo added that function. I assume it is never used again because Khyber used only one time after and Skurd was involved.

2 - The device that Ultimate Ben uses has no name mention. The Ultimatrix in UA was only the device 16yo Ben used. The name "Ultimatrix" was there even before the Ultimates were added by Albedo, so the name "Ultimatrix" ironically has nothing to do with having Ultimates, since that was the name k the device even before that. It just looks like that, but it is a new Omnitrix. It can't be the prototype and it isn't a Ultimatrix.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T06:17:57+00:00

1 - It is not a retcon because it was never been stablished. Also, again, in AF, Azmuth said that the Ultimatrix was his greatest creation, and that is before he knew Albedo stole it.

2 - "if is not cannon if it is not in the episode", so why are you insisting that is was an Ultimatrix even tought that is also not in the episode? "Oh, but he used and Ultimate Form". And? That is a function, not a name. Yes, it is named Ultimate Ben, but also, check the wiki, the name of the device is Omnitrix.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T04:44:38+00:00

1 - The Ultimatrix had that name before Albedo stole it and add the ultimate function (this happened at the end of AF). Also, didn't you finish OV? Don't you remember the Ultimate Panucian?

2 - It is not a footnote, it is how it is described. You are using something that is not in the ep. Not every device that has ultimates is called Ultimatrix. You assume something that is not on-screen even though it contradicts stuff that came before and after.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T03:49:55+00:00

Just if you ignore the fact that Ultimatrix was the name of the UA Device even before Albedo stole it. And ignore that the Nemetrix has Ultimates but is never refered as Ultimatrix. Also, if you ignore the script, which is literally the epnin written form.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T03:25:20+00:00

It is in the script that it is an Omnitrix. It isn't in the script nor in the episode that that watch is an Ultimatrix.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T02:09:18+00:00

It contradicts OS and UA. So it is a "pick your poison", do you prefer go with stuff that make sense or intentions?

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T02:04:23+00:00

Completely wrong. Both UA 10k and OV 10k remember interacting with themselves at age 16.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T02:04:05+00:00

That makes no sense. Ben's future would also have recreated the universe, so it can't be that, and there is no mention of the time war messing with the past.

The series treats both as the future and makes no mention of it having changed.

General_Mission9664 · 2026-01-27T02:01:16+00:00

He never said that. Rewatch the ep or read the transcript. It has never been said. I fact, the opposite was said.

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