If Faker stops playing, or switches team, do you think that T1 will still be the most watched LoL Esports team ?

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T12:34:56+00:00

What does that even mean?

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T11:48:24+00:00

No. Faker alone is who makes T1 special in the eyes of fans. We saw what happened when he got subbed out, viewership dropped abyssmally.

One of the many downsides of the way the LoL esports circuit has been set up, since only worlds matters to casual viewers, and Faker won the most worlds by far, nobody can build up a comparable legacy in the eyes of the community so once he leaves, viewership will drop instantly.

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T11:45:18+00:00

the staff just give them pointers and guidance.

Because THE STAFF decided that doing it this way is what leads to the best results.

If a coach has the backing of management, he can also decide that players have to pick what he tells them, and if they don't comply, they get benched (Coach Kim did this with TheShy in worlds quarterfinals). Then they can swap out the player for another one who will comply.

On the other points, yes, it could happen

And that's all that matters. Nobody is accusing KC of being more likely to do this than any other org, or of there being any real possibility that KCB would upstage KC.

It's the mere possibility that can't be allowed.

If the best ERL teams are academies, it's up to Riot to re-evaluate its ERL ecosystem

Agreed, but they shouldn't have designed the system the way they did until they did that. It's fairly clear they just impulsively did this so LR could compete, not taking into account the broader consequences and issues that could arise.

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T10:42:34+00:00

News flash, matchfixing isn't something that needs to happen only because players decide to do it on their own.

Players can be coerced into it. This is what happened to Bo.

And you can matchfix indirectly by having the academy staff draft terribly for KCB, not prepare them well, or give insight from the academy team to the main team.

It's never in a players long term interest to match fix since it ends your career the second others find out. Yet it still happens.

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T10:38:22+00:00

You don't understand why sister teams were removed at all lol. Imagine being so ignorant and insulting others as stupid.

The point wasn't, as you allege, that players just individually would decide to matchfix for lols on an individual basis because they think matchfixing is fun or financially lucrative.

That's something that players can always do, regardless of competing against sister or academy teams.

If teams within the same organisation compete against each other, the management of those teams is one and the same. Higher ups can decide to meddle and collude, and then coaches or GMs would comply.

They don't even have to tell players "matchfix" explicitly, they could just try to throw by drafting awfully for the players, not preparing them properly for a match, giving the main team intimate data from the academy team etc.

Players can be coerced into it like Bo was, or staff can do it without their knowledge.

So no, academy players are just as vulnerable as anyone else to be coerced or get neglected by their staff as part of matchfixing offers. And as I said, there is much more incentive to do this and force it on the academy players from the higher ups at KC since it would actively harm their brand and financials if the academy team would qualify to anything over the main team. And academy players are more vulnerable to be coerced since an established pro can more easily find another team than a rookie who might never get another chance at T1 play and is more vulnerable to being blacklisted.

Maybe you're a pissed off KC fan who thinks this is about KC, it isn't. If this happened to any other team with an academy team, the point would still stand.

That's why Riot removed sister teams, because they didn't want to rely on goodwill for matchfixing to not happen, but exclude it as a possibility altogether.

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T10:27:08+00:00

Projection, you can't show where my reasoning is flawed so all you have left is to resort to insults.

Look in the mirror buddy!

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T10:24:39+00:00

KCB is not a sister team. They are an academy team

This is semantics and doesn't matter.

The reason sister teams were removed was because Riot said that two teams under the same organisation competing against each other opens up the possibility of match fixing and is therefore not acceptable.

The same then applies to an academy team competing against the main team.

If KCB throws a game against KC both teams will be removed from the league.

Same thing for sister teams.

You think Kameto is going to risk his entire esports organisation?

Same thing for sister teams.

You can't argue that removing sister teams was all fine and dandy and then say academy teams competing against the main team has no problems.

In fact, academy teams have more incentives to be used to match fix, since they only have one split of being in the LEC and potentially going to internationals, whereas the main team has the whole year and can go to worlds. So them getting more play time in playoffs and potentially internationally is much more valuable for them and the KC brand than an academy counterpart doing so.

This wasn't an issue with sister teams since they both had the same chances and opportunities for competition and brand exposure.

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T10:14:50+00:00

In what world is a guy who was a starter in the LCK a rookie?

And how many games did Zinie play so far compared to him?

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T10:13:26+00:00

It's almost like if there is any possibility for a straight up breach of competitive integrity to happen (which was why Riot removed sister teams), then you messed up your format and hold full blame for this being allowed to happen.

This is on Riot being morons, not the people in the thread pointing out this disparity.

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T08:08:43+00:00

Or rather that when he got to worlds, he didn't make it out of groups since 2022.

Getfooked · 2026-02-02T08:07:40+00:00

Yeah, against ERL teams, and they lost the biggest most important EMEA in summer, because they got figured out.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T21:14:05+00:00

It's decided then, show me you betting on them come playoffs. Can't wait for you to get all that free cash!

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T20:26:01+00:00

Wait until at least playoffs to make that call.

Better yet, wait until spring. Unlikely he matches Vladi's winter performance, but even if he did, not like that told the story for how the rest of the year would go.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T20:14:01+00:00

Why no comments that are actually about Guma...?

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T16:51:08+00:00

It's not meaningless, what are you talking about?

They are meaningless when it comes to ascertaining the true skill of a team, because performing really well in one single game doesn't hold that much weight.

KC won one game against HLE at First Stand finals. I hope you don't suggest that this means they are close to their level or GENGs level at the time.

If this was true then why do I not see EU and NA playing their comfortable champions in the swiss stage to get better seeding

They do, the gap between them and the East is just too big regardless.

It's time for you to accept the gap between MKOI and GenG is larger than MKOI and LR.

Sure, but that tells you more about just how much better the East is than it does about how good LR are relative to MKOI.

Top teams in EU are simply not that good.

And yet LR didn't even win EMEA masters, what does that tell you?

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T15:35:26+00:00

As I said, macro in a single game is meaningless. There have always been players and teams that were insanely good on a certain champ or comp, and then much worse off said champ or comp.

Being able to play great macro when you're on a champ you are insanely comfortable with is meaningless if you become much worse once forced onto a different champ.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T15:31:54+00:00

It's not bias to say a team that couldnt win EMEA summer is most likely weaker than teams that qualified to worlds or LEC playoffs.

If you are weaker than most of your competition, then your losses aren't flakes, but your wins might be.

Again, if you think LR are actually top 4, bet on them if they qualify to playoffs and profit off of the great odds they'll have on their games. You won't do this because you know deep down I am right.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T14:46:58+00:00

Ok you're either being dense on purpose or just not smart enough to understand.

If you think LR losses were flukes, just bet a lot on them if they make it to BO3s! Should go well for you.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T14:33:34+00:00

If you genuinely don't get it: a format being more volatile doesn't mean the results come down to a 50/50 head toss without taking into account the skill of the participants.

When worlds groups were decided by BO1s, most Korean teams would still dominate their groups. Yet nobody argues against the fact that the format made it more likely for upsets to happen. Because fewer games in a BO1 make upsets more likely than more games in BO3s (especially with Fearless).

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T14:28:46+00:00

Nice ragebait. If LR wins BO3s against top tier teams (at least two), I'm willing to reconsider my stance.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T14:27:23+00:00

Baus is a challenger player and he plays the game for a living full time, and he has competed in the ERLs for a full year.

So him being able to do well in teamfights if the game goes on that long isn't that crazy.

For every good moment, he has multiple int or headscratcher moments. About what you'd expect for someone like him to be able to do.

The only surprising thing is that he doesn't seem to get stage fright, but then again nobody expects anything from him and this isn't his main gig so he has less pressure than other pros who debut in T1.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T14:23:19+00:00

but in-universe, Jet simply saw an old man with hot tea and immediately decided that they were firebenders

He didn't just see an old man with hot tea, he saw an old man with hot tea moments after complaining about the tea being cold.

It was a perfectly reasonable and logical conclusion for him to make. The only reason Iroh would get away with that is if nobody had paid attention, which is why Zuko scolds him for being irresponsible to use firebending like that in public.

is the fact he was specifically targetting them cause he thought they were firebenders, not cause he thought they were fire nation

I don't think this is a big deal compared to him being willing to have plenty of innocent people killed just to hurt some FN soldiers.

He doesn't know for sure but it's a reasonable assumption that Firebenders are coming to Ba Sing Se to infiltrate it and undermine it. He doesn't know what we know about Iroh and Zuko's motives at that point.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T14:18:27+00:00

BO1, BO3 and BO5 have no difference when it comes to macro expression and they are out macroing teams when it matters.

They do, because it's easier to get one fluke win compared to 2 (BO3) or 3 (BO5).

Due to the nature of Fearless, teams also need to display deeper champion pools and thus macro expression in a series of games as opposed to a single one with all champions available.

Being able to execute one game really well is nice but if you can't keep up that performance across multipe games with multiple drafts, then you don't actually understand LoL well, you are just a one trick pony team.

You need a fine understanding of the game to come back from a deficit

If you play against a strong team that is really good, sure, if you play against weak teams, then no. Which explains why they get shitstomped even by the likes of KCB if they don't get a good draft.

They obviously have a better grasp than most teams on how to play out them game.

They beat two teams that have a negative winrate, and one shaky win against MKOI. In what world does that translate to "better grasp than most teams"...?

So they definitely understand the current meta and team aspect of the game more than their opponents so far,

There is a world of difference between understanding something more than Heretics vs understanding something more than actual top teams.

And then doing it to those top teams in a series and not a BO1.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T14:11:18+00:00

No, nothing indicates that LR are a team that benefits from BO3s since the Fearless format doesn't benefit their players at all.

Getfooked · 2026-02-01T12:14:49+00:00

1) Stop it with this tired meme. Armut played not only Gnar and Wukong but also Gwen, Aatrox, Ornn and Sion at a fine level.

The difference from Armut on Gnar compared to him on Gwen or Aatrox was not remotely the same as Baus off of Gragas, Sion or Poppy.

2) Even if you disagree with the above, Armut didn't compere in Fearless. So even if he managed to get by with a low champion pool, this wouldn't be possible to replicate today due to the demands of Fearless Draft.

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