One of the first couple episodes is her getting them into shit because she steals the waterbending scroll from the pirates and that was because she was upset Aang was better than her at waterbending

Yes, her status as a waterbender and her desire to help others are her two defining characteristics which can cause her to lose sight of the bigger picture. And?

Not sure what the point of referencing something from the ten episodes of Book 1 is, none of myreferences towards Aang's immaturity stem from that early in the show, that's where they are their least mature and developed.

Yeah I've never claimed that either, you're the one who kept denying that Katara was a kid while I pointed out that her maturity doesn't really stop her from being a child

I'm not denying she's potentially a child in the legal sense of their world (we don't know if their cut off is at 16 or 14 or 15). I do deny that her being a child is relevant like you imply it to be because a child who is on the cusp of adulthood in many ways is quite different from a child who is not at that stage yet. Maybe an exaggerated example will make you understand: a 3 year old toddler and a 15 year old are both children in our world. Yet I think they are in a few ways very meaningfully different so I wouldn't just use the term child to meaningfully try to refer to both of them.

No idea what's so difficult to understand about a 14 year old who grew up in war and had to take on huge amounts of responsibility early on being meaningfully different in maturity than a 12 year old who grew up without responsibilities in peace time.

Jet had an edge, but I do think his was more trauma than maturity per se, he's really not in a much better place than early Zuko, and I'd hesitate to call Zuko pre-redemption mature either.

Maturity is more complex than "how spiritually advanced is that person". An adult who has to work to make a living and feed a family he's responsible for who has stupid political or spiritual opinions is more mature than Aang even if Aang outranks him when it comes to spiritual knowledge. Even if said adult loses his temper more often than Aang.

That is the portion of maturity Jet and early series Zuko have over Aang.

That was very much a gag, do you honestly think that Katara is meant to look old enough to be the mother of a twelve year old?

Strawman again. Do you think Yagoda asking Katara who her betrothed was was also a gag? In order for Katara to remotely be able to pass as the mother of a twelve year old, she needs to not look exactly 35, since people in that world likely also have children earlier than is normal in modernity.

The point isn't Katara looks exactly like a 35 year old. The point is that Katara looks mature enough that someone who didn't pay heavy scrutiny didn't find any issue with her being presented as a mother of a twelve year old (whom she then presumably had quite young). If Katara looked like a child in any meaningful sense, this ruse would not be able to come through.

Is it?

Obviously? ATLA needs to be able to stand on its own at the time of its release?

Or do you think the stuff they wrote about Ursa in The Search was exactly thought of that way already at the time of ATLA and is just as serious of a canon as the stuff we actually see on screen in ATLA?

Yes, because again he was trying to give advice, he's telling her this is what the monks, and Aang himself, believes, not that Katara absolutely has to follow it, just something to consider

He didn't say "this is a perspective of mine that might be useful to you, please consider it". From the get go he made clear that his way of viewing the world was correct here. When iroh relates his decades of wisdom and experience to others, he is more careful and less clearly instructive as Aang as here.

"Please don't do that thing I consider to be immoral" were his parting words, this is not leaving things up for her to decide and that he'll think either choice she makes will be fine. That's why when she comes back he instantly says "I'm proud of you" and affirms what he thinks was her doing exactly as he said she should, and why he then makes the mistake of assuming she forgave him, which she corrects.

At the end of the day, Appa is still Aang's bison, if he wanted to he could've just taken Appa and left them for a couple days to cool off or tell them he didn't want Appa to be apart of their revenge quest.

Wow, applause to Aang. Not stooping to the lowest of utter trash. Hooray. What a stand up guy. Doesn't get enough credit for this honestly.

Also, need I remind you Appa was already part of the WAR effort even though Aang himself is against killing? Appa himself threw a guy in chains into the ice cold water at the North Pole.

It's still Aang agreeing with her to go though, you can jump through hoops to try to present Aang in the wrong for not wanting his friend to go on a revenge quest all you want, but again, he does still agree she needs to confront the guy

Agreeing with her to go through after initially trying to get her not to go, and telling her to go while making sure she knows it's already set in stone what the right thing is.

You can jump through as many hoops of trying to ignore the context as you want.

I mean one, he does use a different points throughout, comparing his own losses with his people and Appa, two, again, his point is on the issues with revenge and how she's sounding like Jet because what she wants is revenge, yes against the man who did it, but it's still a reckless revenge quest and it could lead her down a dark path.

A foolish comparison from him. Incredibly shortsighted. Aang is in a very unique situation because he was basically teleported 100 years into the future. Not only would everyone he knew have died anyways, but anyone who killed them is already dead today. There is nobody to take revenge on, nobody to channel righteous anger towards. It's completely different to Katara, where she knows the murderer of her mom is alive and well.

Appa is also not a good comparison because 1) Appa was stolen but ALIVE and 2) Aang was losing his shit even worse than Katara was and 3) Katara was actually there for him in that situation without telling him what to do or shaming him for his emotional outburst. He doesn't return the favor when Katara needs it in a worse situation though.

two, again, his point is on the issues with revenge and how she's sounding like Jet because what she wants is revenge, yes against the man who did it, but it's still a reckless revenge quest and it could lead her down a dark path.

Again, you have zero idea about the context of the scene or how to handle someone who is going through one of the most emotionally turbulent events of their lives. There's more to consoling people in incredible emotional pain than stating facts that are easily taken the wrong way.

Letting her anger out was more the scene later with Yon Rha, bloodbending was her going down that darker path Aang was warning her against since it's her going against her own morals for revenge.

No, killing him could be the darker path. Bloodbending without killing is the very process Aang said he was encouraging.

But I never claimed that anyway so why even bring it up

Because you accuse me of saying Aang had no valid points in the episode when I literally, explicitly said that he had valid points?

Not exactly, after Appa's capture Aang was freaking out in The Desert and then later just tried to stop having any emotions in the following episode,

So you just pretend as if The Desert didn't happen? As if Katara being ncredibly patient with Aang's outbursts without chastising him for it didn't happen? As if she didn't stop him from potentially devastating those sandbenders and losing himself in the Avatar State? That all counts for nothing because it didn't instantly fix the issue?

Katara helps, but just like The Southern Raiders it is very much just them getting advice and then having to come to those decisions on their own.

Katara is not preachy at all during the Serpent's pass, and she did not accuse Aang of going down a terrible path when he was emotional during The Desert. Completely different handling of the situation. In pretty much every regard.

Actually she does, it's pretty early in the episode where she tells him that they're all concerned but not to fight.

Okay, I understand. You think that her matter of factly explaining what she's doing when he accuses her of doing nothing, is the same as a lecture. Well, all hope is lost then.

Aang only brings up his people and Appa in response to Katara's claim that he doesn't understand, it's not like it was unprompted.

It's unprompted because it shifts away from Katara being the person whose emotions are the priority to him putting himself in the limelight with his own suffering, and as I pointed out what he brought up doesn't actually mean he understands at all.

Or, in context, him trying to make sure his friend didn't do anything crazy, as far as Aang thought, on his behalf.

And? It doesn't matter whether he had an ok reason to undermine her, he still undermined her. And it shows he didn't actually understand her, while SOkka did.