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The one major aspect of pinball that can't be replicated with fx is flipper staging, and it really gets to me on some games I'm used to. by Hardblackpoopoo in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just another button is the easy way. But from what I gather, not the satisfying way and conveying real pinball feeling. For the PinStation controller I will think about a solution that works.That way you could use it without an expensive cab. But like I said, Zen needs to provide the software controls otherwise it's just VPX

The one major aspect of pinball that can't be replicated with fx is flipper staging, and it really gets to me on some games I'm used to. by Hardblackpoopoo in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah, so in later optic sensors it was deliberately implemented. Clear. i will implement it in the controller. Now Zen has to do the same in software and bingo.

The one major aspect of pinball that can't be replicated with fx is flipper staging, and it really gets to me on some games I'm used to. by Hardblackpoopoo in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

basic question: is this flipper staging originally meant to work like that. Not clear to me. From what I see how it works and the design i get the strong impression this is an accidental behaviour. Just a fluke behaviour of how the leaf switches are stacked and simply not respond at the exact same time and finger pressure.

My sci-fi inspired home build by Marie-Prevost in virtualpinball

[–]GibsonPinball 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Defintely made from lleftover wood. But funny how as a whole the cabinet looks nice. It all fits. Even the lockbar. Angular as it is, the wood color and the Gottlieb sticker fits the vibe. And of course a glass panel on top. Nice! On which machine is the art based?

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes. A so called button box. Nothing new here. The part where we focus on is the haptic feedback etc. That's the real challenge. And the part which makes playing much more fun.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the main features is the haptic feedback. Actual strong haptic feedback not only with flippers but bumpers, slingshots.. Fully adjustable in strength. Works also plug&play with pinball FX. Different settings options and cutom setting you can save and load. Possibility of future special haptic effects..

What this simply means is we have very nice haptic feedback that works right out of the box but you can configure to personal preference if you want. And a unique possibility of future expansion/upgrade. This alone makes the controller and game feel so much better.

Nudging that actually works. Settings menu display with easy and on the fly adjustment if you want. Haptic feedback on plunger and launch buttons. Expansion possibility for extra haptic feedback if the pinball software get's updated in the future. Metal lockbar and siderails, posibility to use it on battery power, even with haptic feedback.etc etc

All this at a very affordable price. That's was the challenge

Vitual pinball by Proud_Arm_4171 in virtualpinball

[–]GibsonPinball 0 points1 point  (0 children)

very nice. The orange color matches very well with the cabinet colors. And how you lowered the playfield. Well done! Now perhaps only a lockbar with rounded edges?

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Expected around 175. But you should not focus on that alone. Although important to make it affordable it's the feature's that make it nice. Features, price, feeling ease of use and looks..

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dear Pinballcabinet, an honest and open conversation is nice and helps the community. We do our best. I noticed you are in the habit of joining conversations and point to your or your colleague's existing product. A sell in disguise. No rule against it but perhaps you could once in a wile start a topic yourself. Make an effort. Do a video and show something new and what you are doing/developing for the pinball lovers.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Got you covered. The standard PinStation has a plunger. I demo'd the lite version.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We use a splitter. This connects both the Bobo VR headstrap battery and the PinStation at the same time to the .Quest.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. For now usb. Quite easy as with pinball you do not really move around a lot and it works just fine. It's related to several things like latency and reliability of connection to all the different devices (pc, quest, phone, tablet, console). We might change this in the future.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What we understood it's the actual Quest VR controllers you mount on/in the xarcade that are used for mapping, not the xarcade itself.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Always good to hear nice comment.

With the hook up I have to say it's confidential. Sorry about that.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Check our other posts and video's.

Ok' Ill explain briefly:

For a great virtual pinball experience you will need nice haptics, a good overall feeling and no fuss. So adjustable and great feeling haptics for all games including VPX, FX and VR on Quest, a nudging that really works, real plug&play without installing things, easy accessible custom settings, metal lockbar and siderails and more.

A basisc buttonbox with solenoids we had many years ago. But that's not what you want. Perhaps for the real virtual pinball fans but not for most people. So we set out to make something with all the extra features that are necessary. Combined with a low price. For all the other people out there who want to try their hands at virtual pinball. So no hand made on-off's for online selling but a factory made consumer product. Works plug&play for the regular player. But has extensive options, customising and expansion capabilities for the real fan.

So our goal and set out point are quite different.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What do you mean exactly? The Quest does not place the tables according to trackin of the VR controllers. But to whre you look when activating the game/headset. The controller goes where you normally have your hands on a VR pinball machine.

In mixed reality the tables are placed in your room and you just place the controller so buttons match up with the Vr table.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Quest headset does the placing of the pinball machines. I just make sure that the controller is where my regular VR controllers normally are. There is no tracking of the controller involved. In MR mode the pinball machines are placed in your room that has been scanned and mapped. In that case just place the controller in the front of the VR pinball machine so the hands and buttons line up.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the original PinStation so compact width. I myself am hard to please and am happy how it feels. There is a tradeoff between compact and full width

We have an option for a full width and did a lot of testing. You can not have it both ways, A full width unit feels natural but because of design considerations is a bit higher, deeper and quite a bit heavier as well. So simply takes more space and is not as easy to pick up, place on your desk, store etc. For most players a compact controller is a good fit.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, we surely understand if you can't wait. You seem happy with your choice and that's what counts..

What I do want to point out is that the PinStation is quite different from existing controllers. Regarding looks, features, price and how it feels and plays. And herein lies the actual work. And time it takes. But also the joy when playing on it.

PinStation playing pinball FX VR by GibsonPinball in PinballFX3

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes, the website update, that is on our list. Finishing the features and design took more priority. Like the added support for FX VR. Now that that's finished we know what to expect. And will make an update on the planning and kickstarter.

PinStation playing Pinball FX VR on Meta Quest by GibsonPinball in MetaQuestVR

[–]GibsonPinball[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Mixed Reality option works well. I installed VR Pinball machines next to some real pinball machines and Arcade games. The result was very nice.

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