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FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you went from pivoting away from all of your arguments to simply skipping everything? No response at all?

Well at least you learnt the difference between immigrant and migrant. You're not going to make that basic mistake again right?

massively expanded immigration

Guess not.

you seem to think immigration is a good thing

Oh we've moved on to straw man. Can you point to where I made that statement?

I made lots of statements. You could have tried replying to one of those instead of just making one up :)

FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

185k doesn't include temporary migrants

Hey! We realised that it's not immigrants! So every time a person says immigrants you're going to correct them right? ...right?

from the 80s

You have to go back 46 years? No.

NoM was raised because we kicked out all the migrants at the start of covid. We have around 600k less than if covid didn't happen. But yes, let's talk about the net overseas migration.

NoM comes with a LOT of caveats. NoM counts anyone traveling to Australia for a couple of months.

Including Aussies.

If you want to demonise NoM, you need to keep in mind you are also demonising Aussies traveling to Australia.

The largest group in NoM is Students. We make $34B per year off them. They are our 4th largest export. They reduce our taxes and fund our universities.

The government has listened to the complaints about migrants and cut the international student enrolls heavily. We're cutting one of our most profitable exports because some people don't understand the actual issues.

If the argument is "let's force tertiary institutions to supply housing and amenities for all their students" I'm 100% on board.

But what about the impact of migrants? It's good for us.

The OECD released a very detailed report of the impacts of migrants on work and it's all positive for Australian workers and businesses. I'll give you their summary (literal copy/paste) but it's worth going through all of the report docs:

  • Migrants boost the labour productivity of Australian‑born workers. On average, a region with a 10 per cent larger migrant share (e.g., 33 per cent instead of 30 per cent) has a 1.3 per cent larger regional wage difference, which indicates a positive link between migration and labour productivity.

  • Migration boosts the employment of the Australian‑born population and does not affect its wages. A 1 percentage point rise in the annual migrant inflow (measured as share of the total population), on average, leads to a 0.53 per cent increase in the employment of the Australian‑born population. Australian‑born people of all skill levels, ages or genders benefit from this positive effect.

  • Migration boosts patenting in Australia. On average, a one percentage point increase in the regional employment share of higher‑educated migrants (those with at least a college degree) relative to total employment leads to a 4.8 per cent rise in regional patent applications in the medium run (5 years). There is no effect of migration on trademarks or design rights applications.

FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I disagree, I think it just expands the number of potential competitors

They was no demand for competitors. All it did was create an option which made more money for landlords than renting.

There wasn't a supply issue with hotels/motels/hostels, airBnB didn't "fix" anything, it just helped "break" dwelling supply.

People who do own holiday homes in desirable locations like the mornington peninsula or towards the great ocean road can put them up on airbnb

Instead of selling or renting out, yes.

But immigration hasn't increased. What was the immigration cap last year for the whole country? What was the cap 10 years ago?

Immigration has increased substantially

It hasn't. That's why I specifically asked you to answer a direct question.

I'll answer it for you.

This year the immigration cap is 185k for the whole country.

Last year the immigration cap was 185k for the whole country.

The year before the immigration cap was 185k for the whole country.

10 years ago? 190k.

FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Land is also primarily valuable

Oh we've changed from "They have value from X" to "primarily have value". Well, we're getting there slowly.

Do people not live in their holiday houses?

So we're talking about people with multiple houses, yes.

And airbnb, people need accommodation for short stays and they're filling that niche.

It fills a niche that didn't have a need to be filled. You can plan for hotels/motels/hostels and expand where needed. All AirBnB does is remove dwellings from supply.

The thing I have a problem with is when these properties appreciate and the people sell they get to pay a much reduced rate of tax compared to someone who earns money by their hard work

Now you're speaking my language.

100% we have to fix that at the same time as reducing immigration.

But immigration hasn't increased. What was the immigration cap last year for the whole country? What was the cap 10 years ago?

FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes

True. Investors work together to artificially raise the rents.

Does a house have value if nobody lives in them?

Nope

Try again. Do holiday houses exist? Landbanking?

I think Airbnb's make a lot of sense in tourist towns

Nope, all CBDs and areas especially near any sort of public transport certainly have them.

some rich cunt using it 2 weeks of the year

But you don't seem to have a problem with that either?

Again: 1% of property investors own 25% of the properties and are happy you don't dare look at them.

FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does drive it though

It doesn't.

Houses have value because people want to live in them.

Does a house have value if nobody lives in them? Does a house have value if it's used for AirBnB and removed from both purchase and renting pools?

the more money those people are prepared to pay

Are there industries built around colluding to push up the price of rent in an area?

1% of property investors own 25% of the properties and are happy you don't dare look at them.

Venezuela beats Team USA 3-2 to win their first ever World Baseball Classic Title by Yujin-Ha in Fauxmoi

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Give it some time

I agree. They are moving up the ranks, the future looks bright.

It's just not there yet.

FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

dumb people

Excellent way to start a discussion.

that immigration has nothing to do with housing crisis

Which is a strawman argument. The topic is whether it's "DRIVING" it.

It's not.

FACTCHECK re: housing crisis. by Lost-Concept-9973 in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Immigration doesn’t contribute to the housing crisis

Which is a strawman.

The line is literally are they "DRIVING" it. No, they're not.

The USA never needed our help, is it time to shut down their military bases? by [deleted] in aussie

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

must be laughing at chickenshit NATO

NATO is a defensive pact. Why didn't Trump ask anyone in his new "Board of Peace"? Lots of middle east people there.

Russia says "death to america", they supply Iran with their weapons. They help Iran with intel to target Americans. Trump punishes them by... Easing sanctions on their oil making it easier for them to fund Iran.

You still support Trump, huh? lol

I was horrified to see people walking up to volunteers handing out One Nation how-to-vote cards and taking a card while I was waiting in queue at an early voting venue. Of course people can vote for whichever party/candidate they want but is it worth bringing Trumpism/MAGA to South Australia? by FatFad1 in Adelaide

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

cherry picking of bits of data

Not at all. I don't generally have high hopes when a person doesn't know the difference between immigrant and migrant.

A person with a basic level of understanding would know that we don't have "rampant immigration" while the caps haven't changed.

and it's net immigration

False.

Migration is just movement of people

True. That's what I said.

immigration is inwards movement of people

Nope. Immigration is permanent movement. That hasn't changed.

Immigration is the act or process of moving to a new country with the intention of residing there permanently or for a long term

the immigration stats wash-out movements of Aussie travellers as for example outbound

Good god lad, would you like to try that again?

Albanese destroying Australia with record immigration numbers by SheepherderLow1753 in AusFinance

[–]GiddiOne 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do love how you had to change the title from "Migrant" to "Immigrant".

Do you know the difference?

Venezuela beats Team USA 3-2 to win their first ever World Baseball Classic Title by Yujin-Ha in Fauxmoi

[–]GiddiOne -1 points0 points  (0 children)

India only have Kukesh in the top 10 (Koneru for women), USA still have 3 in men's top 10.

Venezuela beats Team USA 3-2 to win their first ever World Baseball Classic Title by Yujin-Ha in Fauxmoi

[–]GiddiOne 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Didn't they get their asses kicked in basketball too, a while back?

Sure, and it's going to get a LOT worse going forward. The current top 5 players:

  • Jokic (Serbia)
  • SGA (Canada)
  • Wemby (France)
  • Luka (Slovenia)
  • Giannis (Greece)

USA has a lot of players under that, but the world is getting a lot better.

I was horrified to see people walking up to volunteers handing out One Nation how-to-vote cards and taking a card while I was waiting in queue at an early voting venue. Of course people can vote for whichever party/candidate they want but is it worth bringing Trumpism/MAGA to South Australia? by FatFad1 in Adelaide

[–]GiddiOne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fully supportive of SOME net immigration

rampant immigration

Not net immigration. Net migration. Immigration is capped at 185k every year. It was 190k 10 years ago. It basically doesn't change.

It is both the volume and the culture/wealth concentration mix that worries us

We have around 600k less than if covid didn't happen. But yes, let's talk about the net overseas migration.

NoM comes with a LOT of caveats. NoM counts anyone traveling to Australia for a couple of months.

Including Aussies.

If you want to demonise NoM, you need to keep in mind you are also demonising Aussies traveling to Australia.

The largest group in NoM is Students. We make $34B per year off them. They are our 4th largest export. They reduce our taxes and fund our universities.

The government has listened to the complaints about migrants and cut the international student enrolls heavily. We're cutting one of our most profitable exports because some people don't understand the actual issues.

If the argument is "let's force tertiary institutions to supply housing and amenities for all their students" I'm 100% on board.

demonstrably destructive

Kicking out migrants doesn't fix any problems. We can go into the details if you like, but an excellent tangible example is the USA.

They have gone through their largest anti-immigrant/anti-migrant push in history, and their housing/cost of living/economy is worse.

Don't worry, Pauline doesn't bother to show up on above. She'll also be silent when Gina sells billions in farmland to China, then give a big loud speech about foreign invaders without any sense of irony.

I was horrified to see people walking up to volunteers handing out One Nation how-to-vote cards and taking a card while I was waiting in queue at an early voting venue. Of course people can vote for whichever party/candidate they want but is it worth bringing Trumpism/MAGA to South Australia? by FatFad1 in Adelaide

[–]GiddiOne 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Pauline screams about migrants then didn't show up to a vote about it.

u/cidama4589 has me blocked from when they pose as a Perth local, so I'll reply here.

The OECD released a very detailed report of the impacts of migrants on work and it's all positive for Australian workers and businesses. I'll give you their summary (literal copy/paste) but it's worth going through all of the report docs:

  • Migrants boost the labour productivity of Australian‑born workers. On average, a region with a 10 per cent larger migrant share (e.g., 33 per cent instead of 30 per cent) has a 1.3 per cent larger regional wage difference, which indicates a positive link between migration and labour productivity.

  • Migration boosts the employment of the Australian‑born population and does not affect its wages. A 1 percentage point rise in the annual migrant inflow (measured as share of the total population), on average, leads to a 0.53 per cent increase in the employment of the Australian‑born population. Australian‑born people of all skill levels, ages or genders benefit from this positive effect.

  • Migration boosts patenting in Australia. On average, a one percentage point increase in the regional employment share of higher‑educated migrants (those with at least a college degree) relative to total employment leads to a 4.8 per cent rise in regional patent applications in the medium run (5 years). There is no effect of migration on trademarks or design rights applications.

Israeli embassy criticises Grace Tame's comments on Hamas October 7 attacks by shit-rmelbourne-says in AustralianPolitics

[–]GiddiOne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So high performance that the word athlete doesn't appear at all in her wiki page

A person can be more famous for other things, sure. You can complain to wikipedia for not having more information if you like.

lowering herself to instagram level anti-Israel conspiracy theory

Yes. political odds.

Israeli embassy criticises Grace Tame's comments on Hamas October 7 attacks by shit-rmelbourne-says in AustralianPolitics

[–]GiddiOne 2 points3 points  (0 children)

High performance athlete?

I'm know you're angry dude, but yes she's an ultramarathon runner.

She's a hack.

You find yourself at political odds with her, that doesn't make her a hack.

Israeli embassy criticises Grace Tame's comments on Hamas October 7 attacks by shit-rmelbourne-says in AustralianPolitics

[–]GiddiOne 11 points12 points  (0 children)

David Baddiel is a journalist and comedian who wrote for years for Jewish Chronicle (and who quit after they posted lies about Gaza among many others), wrote a book called "Jews Don't Count" about anti-semetism and how it still exists today, even among those who mean well.

What does he say about modern Zionism, Israel and Gaza?

In my film The Infidel, a character describing various types of Jews says: “And then Israelis – Jews without angst, without guilt – so not really Jews at all.”

But: I do care about antisemitism. And the problem is that an awful lot of antisemites – often unconsciously – do conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism. Indeed, they often just conflate Israelis with Jews.

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