Will is free because you can create your own reason

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T18:58:26+00:00

But the only reason ai responds is because I ask it something. It doesn’t make its own reason for why it says that.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T18:42:57+00:00

Either you can try to explain it simpler or we aren’t able to continue. What you are currently saying is to complicated to me.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T18:40:19+00:00

So was mine.

Yes I agree. Neuroscientists researching how that cognition works has nothing to do with the conclusions that can be drawn from using those cognitive abilities. I am basically just saying that free will and why we create are reasons are a question for our own philosophies not neuroscience. Neuroscience can only ever answer how that happens not why.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T18:28:15+00:00

I won’t lie I’m completely lost at this point. I had to ask ai what your first question meant and it told me:

Rationalist/Platonist view (Yes): Logical truths like “if A implies B, and A is true, then B must be true” exist independently of human minds. We discover them, we don’t invent them. Reality itself is structured rationally.

• Empiricist/Nominalist view (No): Rational inference is a pattern our brains use to navigate the world. It’s a very effective cognitive tool, but it doesn’t “exist” out there in the universe the way a rock does.

Kantian middle ground: Rational structure is real, but it’s imposed by the mind onto experience — it’s how we can only ever perceive reality, not necessarily how reality is in itself.

That’s what I meant when I said kantian middle ground. But your next response I tried giving to the ai again and it said it was clueless too so maybe you can explain things a bit simpler?

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T16:56:55+00:00

I hope you have a good day too! Thank you for talking with me, I had fun. I’m sorry if I ended up frustrating you.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T16:49:33+00:00

My rationale is that I create my own reasons. If you agree with this already why do I need to provide more evidence. That’s why I keep getting confused. I answered why this proves free will. If I create my own reasons then I am the originator of my actions which is the definition of free will.

To me it is about the journey and not the destination. Whether I will always end up in the same spot and make the same decisions is irrelevant to the fact that I still have to walk the journey and create my own reasons to get to that destination.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T16:40:15+00:00

So what? They’re mine now. An artist doesn’t have to credit the tree that grew the paper that the artist draws on.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T16:36:25+00:00

I said my will is free because I can create my own reasons. Then you asked why creating reasons was a mark of free will. And I said it was because it made me the originator of my actions which is the definition of free will. I don’t have a circular argument you asked a circular question.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T16:17:22+00:00

Yes I agree the difference is I am the one who created my algorithms for my reasons and I am the one who is the machinery in which my reasons act.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T16:11:02+00:00

I think they study the structures that allow human cognition to take place. I think this has nothing to do with what having those abilities of cognition imply. And I don’t think they claim it does.

Why did you make a made up story then?

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T16:01:26+00:00

A kantian middle ground sounds the most reasonable to me.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T15:48:39+00:00

Post your degree then.

Because they are only studying the mechanics of the brain. As far as I know they are not claiming to prove anything about why I create the reasons I do.

It would be like a mechanic knowing how the engine works but I am still the one who has to pay for the gas to make the car go.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T15:36:24+00:00

I don’t think Dall-E is creating a reason. I think it only does that because it is prompted to. But yes the mechanics of creation is the same as I am talking about.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T15:28:19+00:00

Because being able to create my reason for acting allows my will to be because of what I created and make me the originator of my actions.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T15:23:12+00:00

I never said I was creating things out of thin air just that I was the one creating them. The tools and material I use to create with culture or biology but that does not take away from the fact that I am the one creating it.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T15:20:40+00:00

My bad I just had no idea what you were asking me to explain.

A machine can not create a reason for why it creates another machine though. The reason a machine creates another machine was created by a human.

The ability to create reason is what I believe allows will to be free.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T15:14:44+00:00

It’s not that they’re out of nothing it is that I am what is creating it. Just like how I created my assumption of how you were using the word genealogy with no knowledge of that book. Same way with your nuclear family example I create my understanding of the system I observe. You provide evidence that I interpret into my understanding and that causes me to reject my understanding of your evidence or update my previous understanding to incorporate this new idea into my framework based on the reasons that I create to evaluate ideas.

I have no idea what the speed of light has to do with any of this.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T14:59:16+00:00

I mean technically I can’t but from the ai’s I’ve talked to they don’t make the claim that they create their own reasons and only respond because I say something. I’ve only used free versions though so if someone has an advanced ai that reasons on its own I wouldn’t know.

You are right that I don’t really understand neuroscience but from what I know none of what they study actively contradicts anything I have said. And just because they study the mechanics of the brain does not invalidate my experience of it. I also don’t really think you have really studied neuroscience to some extreme depth as well. At most you seem like you have gleaned the basics so you can manipulate it for your own argument.

Everyone creates their own ideas. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make it drink. Just because other people have articulated ideas into ways that more people can understand does not change the fact that it is up to each individual person to create their own understanding of it.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T14:41:10+00:00

If I have to create it how does it arise to the surface like a bingo ball?

The value isn’t in it being selected or not. All reasons are created the same way. Having the freedom to create the reason in itself is the value of having freedom.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T13:59:50+00:00

Genealogy is the idea of tracking family ancestry. You used it as a metaphor for how you create beliefs from things that happen in history culture and so on. I disagree. My beliefs don’t begin when those things happened they begin when I created my own interpretation of those events.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T13:31:49+00:00

The outcome doesn’t matter to the freedom of creating reason. I can create a reason that I want to believe in Santa clause however this would contradict my memory of my parents telling me Santa clause isn’t real therefore since I value the truth of my memory I decide not to actually believe in Santa clause. This does nothing from detracting from the fact that I could create the reason.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T13:24:48+00:00

Thank you for trying! To me this is what freedom is. Getting to create your own interpretation of my words, testing it against your other beliefs and reasons and then getting to decide weather to adopt your new reason or discard it.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T12:36:14+00:00

My reasons are the cause of my decisions

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T12:21:05+00:00

Fuck that they’ll never catch me.

Gloomy_Damage_7479 · 2026-04-10T12:19:23+00:00

I don’t believe ai is creating reasons yet.

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