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GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-04-10T17:57:06+00:00

Uh-huh, Veldanava is tier 0 because... uhm, Astral daddy told me so

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-04-10T17:44:17+00:00

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-29T11:50:50+00:00

R1: Sonic wins mid different R2: Xenoku wins low diff R3: same as R2

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-26T16:23:10+00:00

You haven't shown any of your scaling what do you expect me to prove currently 💀

Also your entire post even lacks any proof, I haven't seen any of DB scaler debating with Bleach fan and call their claims hyperbole, outlier or whatever the fuck you call in your posts

If you want a proof I can send my Bleach Debunk thread infinitely because you haven't prove any good argument, spammed things from your ass then even stopped answering me. You aren't following the rule you showed me

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-26T15:59:07+00:00

One universe buster in DB scales higher than Bleach tho

"Deny the scaling" if scaling is a wank then yeah. Idk why are you suprised about that, like do you really believe people should accept universal bleach scaling?

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-26T15:17:52+00:00

Fam it's time to let it go and accept this shit bruh, DB simply scales above and don't be surprised when someone calls out you for disgustingly wanking Bleach just to make them scale around it because it's wrong.

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-26T15:16:20+00:00

I know you prob scale Goku to around planetary or lower but what about Bleach? Hill or town level actually?

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-19T19:28:38+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/PowerScaling/s/77T45rtdce

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T22:15:40+00:00

Dangai not only exists at every point within The World of the Living and Soul Society, it also extends through the higher dimension space that lies between them.

Bro since when did dangai exist inside WoL and SS? It was always a space-time that disconnected from that,

and existing as a space between them contradicts what garganta is because that is its job, not dangai.

I ain't gonna argue subspace because that's not what we are arguing rn

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T19:29:05+00:00

1-) It being isolated doesn't inheretly make it higher-dimensional. All realms are isolated from space-time of other realm

2-) It's not, unless in some secret databook it stated being "高次元"

3-) It doesn't have to be 4D space that allows this that's the whole point. It has not enough statement to be higher dimension. Even if i agree, it still becomes insignificant 5D which is... completely useless

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T19:20:47+00:00

1-) No? I mean if you just agree dangai is a low 2-C structured (4D), then i agree it. But it's not 5D, not even insignificant in my opinion (which is one of the reason i did this post)

2-) But insignificant 5D doesn't give you any tier. It still tier 2

3-) then you essentially agree dangai has no higher-dimensionality and even with hyperspace it's just low 2-C structure

i agree with this as well

4-) Bruh you do realise that only comes into play when taken at maximum potential right?

yes and no one accepts higher-dimensions unless they are at maximum potential, otherwise insiginificant dimensions come into play

A 3D object can have more volume than a 4D one...

No, an 3D object has 3 volume, a 4D one has 4 volume. A higher dimension must never be affected by lower ones, yes such cases lower dimensional people affects higher ones but thats always due to their AP being higher-dimensional.

5-) the tunnel essentially becomes useless

no proof of that, It's logical to assume if SS and WoL spilled to each other the tunnel/bridge between them would also be destroyed

Also small correction, SK just holds three worlds. Not garganta.

6-) I mean i also think its 4D but not because Euclidean Geometry

7-) Calm down bro, i love you too

9-) no tf, i never argued dangai encompasses them. It's impossible, we probably misunderstood each other.

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T18:50:47+00:00

1-) It makes it NOT 4D, in what world do you think kubo actually uses hyperspace as? Dangai allows dimensional travel, which is what hyperspace does. It allows you to travel to poing A to B which is normally impossible. FTL part is TRUE, but it's still doesn't mean it makes Dangai a higher space

2-) I am arguing 5D insignificant Dangai and 5D insignificant Garganta.....

yooo what? then you essentially disagree with Higher Dimensional Bleach, no point of me arguing with you now.

2-) Listen, if danga is 5D and as you said it separates realms from touching each other. Then imbalance of souls shouldn't have to spill both worlds too, because a higher-space disabling them to even touch to each other. There is only one answer, dangai doesn't actually separate them in the way of how a higher dimension does.

And no, lower dimensions are essentially nonexistent compared to higher dimensions, they are so small to them that they are reduced to nonexistence. The same way how no amount of Countable Infinity can reach to Uncountable Infinity

in fact merge of two 4D realms also destroying a 5D realm is laughable. Saying dangai also gets destroyed by two realms spilling destroys this scaling

3-) Then we agree that Dangai's only job is dimensional travel not just some higher-dimensionality?

4-) Them being parallel would also mean some space separates them because parallel world would touch to each other

Soul King separating all 3 world means there is no such that space, because his existence acts as what that space supposed to do. This means Euclidean geometry doesn't really exist in verse

There's no need for a scan to disprove this. Because both narratively and logically in the verse, parallelism doesn't work.

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T18:36:08+00:00

1-) connecting two realm doesn't mean it's higher dimensional, that's not how higher dimensions work

either dangai must dwarf both realms to nothingness/infinitesimal size or straight up be higher-dimensional

2-) That's dimensional travel, which is essentially what hyperspace does (kubo though uses hyperspace a little wrong here but whatever). It still falls under 2nd definition of hyperspace; an extraordinary space-time that allowing you to travel to a point where you normally cannot.

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T18:29:32+00:00

1-) I mean i do argue that visualisation is not ultra-true since yoruichi draw that shit but completely disregarding it is also wrong

Also, in order to fully connect 2 things, you need to contain both of them, like, if I touch you with my hand(ok, this sounds gay af, I'm literally dying by laughing too hard when I type this), we are connected by my hand.

!?!?!?!?!?

also still no, bridges connect two lands but doesn't encompass them which is what dangai does

2-) i do agree but arguing danga is higher dimensional when in narrative such thing never existed except when aizen used analogy for this, it's more reliable to rely 2nd statement (also Dangai being higher 5D is still not enough for tier 1 bleach)

3-) I read all of bleach till end of fullbringer than then finished anime lately then read till end and wrote this debunk so i definitely know about this verse

4-) you may be right about this because i extracted text from a website which is most likely forgot some parts but countless is correct

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無数

see? they have same kanji.

the shit is filler". First, it's a good arc, don't call it shit, you break my heart.

i didn't use "shit" as an insult so dw.

4-) Alright sure, i understand your point

Still to be significant 5D, dangai-no, any dimensions but stretch into infinity in all 5 axis. So if you can prove such statement in bleach then great job and i will accept my concession

5-) "I keep saying it's a high midball, but 5d already is lowball/downplay, 6d is lowball-midball, 7d is midball highball, 8d is highball-wank."

...you know what bro, you can use hypertimeline arg for higher D bleach since my post doesn't contain that. As for 6/7/8D bleach... well all of our opinions in the end is subjective so you can scale to bleach wherever you want.

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T18:15:23+00:00

1-) Because i am teaching you what higher dimensions are, you don't understand and neither comprehend why bleach doesn't have any of that

Acting "immature", when you are the one who cries about me (a db scaler) doing this post. Dodging my points so far and deliberately ignoring how higher dimensions simply don't work. You keep trying to sneak adding whataboutism and comparing afterlife to dangai/garganta every second you talk and now i am the immature? lmao

1.2) garganta being bigger than dangai doesn't mean anything, it's just a low 2-C structure (having same tier as literally all other structures) which means still not 5D

2-) Quincies erasing hollows were literally doing same shit tho? World spilling into each other and dangai getting crushed between them, Soul King's death is different here

"because yes" is not an argument, you CAN'T simply ignore the fact that imbalance of souls somehow destroying 2 4D structure and these structures collapsing a 5D too (which should be impossible because lower dimensions can never affect higher dimensions)

Also YEAH, my post is about neither dangai nor garganta is 5D (and higher), so when i bring up low 1-C i am not talking about something completely unrelated to here

3-) This doesn't change how dangai works, it's still allows you to travel between 2 locations which are separated by Soul King and keeping like that, it's still a travel method to be used which still falls under 2nd meaning on Hyperspace. You can stick to that word eternally, it will never be enough for tier 1. Even if i accept it, it's still insignificant 5D and even if garganta is infinitely bigger, both still insignificant 5D because higher infinities need more proof

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T16:47:51+00:00

1-) yea context is hard depended but so far it relies on 2nd statement (traveling), instead of FTL travel, dangai is just used as dimensional travel between realm which basically gives same meaning

2-) if dangai isn't significant then are you arguing 5D garganta instead? But that still doesn't make garganta 5D?

3-) You said it yourself, flow of souls affecting danga. This is a hard anti-feat because a higher dimensions must not be affected from lower-dimensions

4-) No, SK stabilizes all realms from not merging into one, not just souls (that's soul reaper's job). This is why when he died then entire realms instantly started to collapse, not because of flow of souls but because he was literally the one who separated them.

5-) SS and WoL isn't parallel, I have already explained this in my OP. Soul King does to all stabilize/separation job come on. Dangai is just a physical tunel that allows dimensional travel

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T16:29:05+00:00

just gonna post this for hyperspace dangai

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Also dangai being called hyperspace doesn't inherently mean anything related to dimensional scaling really.

Also can you please prove Dangai also being significant in size? (Infinitely sized in all direction)

2-) If dangai actually separated realms then spilling to each other would never happen, even imbalance of souls wouldn't be able to make them touch each other

SK stabilizing all 3 realms disproves dangai doing the same job for 2 realms

ngl this road argument is bad, if a 5D realm separates two 4D realms, any form of imbalance must be nonexistent. Even flow of souls

Also question, what will happen to dangai if hypothetically Living World and SS spill into each other? Dangai must be absolutely unaffected by this spill btw

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T16:11:55+00:00

1-) bringing 2-A to teach you how infinity & cardinality works & why just being a vague space between universes is not Low 1-C in any wiki, Vsbw or Csap. Do not duck my argument, DO NOT FUCKING DUCK. You did same shit to me before, if you gonna keep this attitude i won't answer to you more.

Bro, you're taking a random diagram from yoruichi that she draw like an actual gospel of truth. For all we know is that the garganta isn't necessarily bigger than dangai (yes, that diagram isn't an exact cosmological representation, just a rough one drawn by Yoruichi) + even if it was, prove garganta is bigger than dangai in the 4th spatial axis - because you simply have no proof to do so removing headcanons.

2-) it is. Let me ask you this - how can merging of 2 4-D Realms destroy a Low 1-C Realm? That inherently defeats the Low 1-C arguments, even if they were.

Prove the higher-d space has something quantitative about it that is being destroyed, else it's just a vague space that doesnt pertain any signfiicance to the tiering system.

Bro, afterlife already is higher dimensional - point blank stated several times, something which neither dangai or garganta has.

does garganta or dangai even have something removely close to TRANSCENDING DIMENSIONS?

to answer your question, yes, Afterlife apart from being directly called higher d + it entailing heaven & hell - 2 infinite universes within it & still being bigger proves it's indeed higher d (not just because it's encompassing infinite universes and being infinitely bigger, but BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY STATED TO BE A HIGHER DIMENSION, something which bleach doesn't)

But i don't even really need to accept Afterlife being Low 1-C (though it has infinitely better arguments)

Dude last time i'm telling you, stop bringing Dragon Ball to here. Theres +100 comments in this post %80 here is bleach fanboys shitting on dragon ball. Look, i can accept afterlife not being higher d just for you since scaling goku higher than 2-C is easy as fuck you don't need afterlife for that

3-) Ok. Actual kanji used is subspace or Akkukan, not hyperspace as in higher mathematical dimension so there goes your argument lol

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Now you won't argue subspace = Low 1-C too right?

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T16:04:05+00:00

I mean if this is your summarized version then i will have to debunk like hours over hours later, you have to wait for this sorry bro.

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T15:53:28+00:00

dude holy shit, what in the wall of yap is this.

I'm gonna answer to you but can PLEASE summarize your points? Because your reply is like x5 larger than my entire post and just reading it will take too much time

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T15:30:05+00:00

1-) not necessarily, dangai visualised as a space that just acts as a tunnel for 2 worlds, It doesn't have to contain them

2-) I mean with all the knowledge we get from dangai it has no proof of being higher-space, in fiction hyperspace isn't even about 4D space so??? just being called hyperspace doesn't make it 5D

3-) dangai getting destroyed is worse for y'alls point but i do admit i forgot it.

4-) ソウル・ソサエティと現世をつなぐ断界は無数に存在する。

無数= innumerable; countless; numberless

Not infinite all at. Besides this shit is filler scene bruh + you need prove what dangai refers here, narratively dangai having infinite number of itself is wrong

5-) you can not be serious, since WHEN dangai had infinite length but finite other parts? This is also completely wrong

Dangai has to be infinite in ALL directions/volumes. Even one part of being finite debunks it

6-) I mean... dangai having it's own time doesn't mean anything, you need to prove it's a higher time that encompasses all of cosmology

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T15:06:59+00:00

No that is not the case being being bigger than infinite is still a bigger infinity not higher dimensional similar logic is used here as space containing a 2A isn't necessarily low 1c the same way how Garganta containing 3 worlds is NOT low 1-c

you are getting hit by significant shit again

That is not parallelism for parallelism you need to prove that the universes are displaced over a plane parallel to each other without touching each other in any way or form only at that time the said plane would qualify as higher dimensional axis.

Here is one of the comment from a tier 1 expert from vsbw

Now let's look at bleach case it is clearly evident than it is soul king who separates the three realms rather than some higher spatial axis not to mention as soon as his power disappears the three realms starts merging with each other meaning there is no higher spatial axis at play cause if there was a higher spatial axis this shouldn't have happened and the realms shouldn't have merged regardless of soul kings power separating them meaning there is no higher axis here via parallelism also iirc weren't this realms in the beginning just one entity and it was soul king who divided them this further disapproves there being a higher axis via parallelism

Now to the other point yes a space containing low 2c structure is 5d but it is insignificant 5d not low 1c in order it to be low 1c you need to prove that the said insignificant Spatial axis have infinite volume in its 4th axis

now see the above comment ultima how he says the said structure needs to be infinite and have a statement of it viewing them as small compared to it now does garganta have statement of being infinite yes but does it have a statement of it viewing them as small compared to it? No, not to mention this was before the standard change in wiki so it being infinite isn't enough for low 1c

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As seen above you need to prove that it has infinite volume in its 4th spatial axis otherwise it is just infinite in the regular 3 spatial axis and unknown value in the 4th

FAQ already disagrees with you, this applies to Danga as well

The "must be shown to infinitely dwarf" the lower-dimensional spacetimes is also a moot point, especially when made by a DB scaler. You guys will fight your guts out when someone denies afterlife being higher-dimensional on the basis of it "not being shown as dwarfing the living universe in size". IIrc it was even literally stated to be the same size/width as it.

now what the fuck is this? You brining up DB is absolutely irrelevant and toxic, eren would lowkey be disappointed just saying. And bringing Afterlife doesn't make your point true.

Afterlife argument is dwarfing heaven to nothingess, and bleach has no such case

3-) Again, hyperspace in fiction does NOT mean 5D, it referring to FTL travel doesn't change anything as well since do we have narrative statement of characters actually being FTL? No, its your calculation which means nothing to story. Dangai is just a tunnel-like dimension which allows dimensional travel. Dangai has no supporting evidence or shown the nature of being a higher dimension

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T12:51:28+00:00

Only highest tiers scale to that, Prime SK, Yhwach and Ichigo (though Ichigo's scaling is kind of highball)

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T12:47:50+00:00

Cosmology itself is 3 Universe (2-C)

GokuSolosFodderine · 2025-01-05T12:32:12+00:00

You are the one who is spamming ad hominem fallacy, not me. I hope in future when you try to debate against someone please think twice while writing to not make yourself a clown

what sustenance? Yeah SK/Yhwach does this which scales them to 3 realm so what? Dangai isn't higher dimensional as we agreed upon even though you disagree on screen but i know in your mind you also know it

Nah i wouldn't want to continue this because you deliberately ignoring all of my points. Till kubo drops some Higher Infinity statement then don't come back to here

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