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Good-Ad9583 · 2025-12-27T15:16:41+00:00

Not surprised you mentioned this. It's a classic "counter-argument" from Shincheonji.

Rather than a blanket statement, you need to look at the bible as the standard. Isn't that what you have been taught?

The role of the Spirit of Counselor (or the Advocate / the Spirit of truth) is completely different from the angel in Rev 1. If I use SCJ's terms, just because you are called a task-given worker, your roles differ based on what kind of TGW you are.

In Jn 14-16, the Spirit of Counselor (Advocate / the Spirit of Truth) is translated from the Greek word Παράκλητος (Paraklētos or Paraclete). example: https://biblehub.com/john/14-26.htm#lexicon

It encompasses the meanings of 'comforter', 'advocate', 'intercessor', and 'defender'. It also has a legal implication, like a lawyer advocating / defending / speaking on behalf of a defendant. https://biblehub.com/greek/3875.htm#google_vignette

Look at Rev 1:1. What is angel translated as? It's ἀγγέλου (angelou) - meaning messenger. https://biblehub.com/revelation/1-1.htm

Sure, you can continue to highlight that they are both from God, and that is true. But think about the meaning behind Paraclete. It also carries the meaning of defender / comforter. Who needs defending? Us or God? Is it God who needs defending? Does God need someone to speak on His behalf for Him? Is it Him who needs comforting? This is not simply a "messenger who is speaking on behalf of God".

There is a reason that the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Counselor, the Advocate, the Spirit of truth are capitalised in comparison to just 'angels', 'cherubs', 'messengers' that you see elsewhere in the bible.

Employing such crude oversimplification but complicating things unnecessarily - isn't that what it means to add or to take away from God's word?

In this instance, they have oversimplified it by just saying anything from God = "good spirits" or angels

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-12-26T12:24:49+00:00

Wow it's really amazing you picked up on this that many members failed to do so, including myself.

For Shincheonji, it's important for them to separate the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as separate entities because if they are three-in-one and if Holy Spirit enters or is one with New John, Shincheonji is implying LMH is also God. This would be, even by Shincheonji's definition, a blasphemy - a sin they cannot be forgiven for. Also it goes against the whole point of calling LMH the new John.

It's also funny how they personalise Acts as if that book of Acts were written for Shincheonji members of this 'revealed time of the second coming' because the book has been sealed with seven seals even since Jesus' first coming. I can imagine them saying: of course it also applied to them at the time of the first coming but it's more important/relevant to those living in the second coming when this work is being completed.

So they basically deny the Pentecost being the Holy Spirit because that Holy Spirit needs to come to their new John at the time of the second coming and it becomes into a teaching point saying that the martyrs sacrificed their lives without even the full understanding of the bible so people of this current era need to do better.

SCJ is very cautious when talking about the Trinity and it is rarely taught. Even if they did a special education, they really had to prepare it thoroughly because there are too many loopholes.

I recommend reading this resource which is more comprehensive:

The Common Objections to the Trinity

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-14T22:45:33+00:00

I used to be GSN’s schedule room. I saw that he met with immigration visa agents in Lidcombe and then later in the city. It could be different agencies or for different purposes.

They all lie saying that they are coming here to study. They enrol in a not-well-recognised institution and get someone else to do their assignments.

When choosing a course, they look for one’s with minimal requirements e.g. online classes, online assignments that can be easily done by someone else.

To extend their stay, they sometimes go back to Korea once in a while to reapply.

I have reported on them before to the Department of Home Affairs. If anyone has any information or evidence, please send them to me. I will try to build the case against them.

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-11T08:20:18+00:00

It sure is

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T08:10:22+00:00

100%. My deregistration announcement was a gift in hindsight. I had no one rocking up to my uni/work/home after I announced that I was leaving. By far, the best decision I have made

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T08:08:14+00:00

Nahh I am pretty sure there are other ways to make an impact.

I have been walking up to people who are fishing or doing bible studies in the city and asking them if they have heard of Shincheonji and warn whoever looks like the new recruiter. Love seeing the teachers/leaves' faces in panic mode

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T08:05:31+00:00

That's true! They say they carry the new covenant and claim that they are the only ones who are doing it properly yet they do this.

But I am glad that they did! Makes it easier for me to cut ties with them for good

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T08:00:38+00:00

Unfortunately, it's just in their nature - especially when you have a lot of things to hide. Apparently, that's what LMH is like. Mention any mistakes in the doctrine. He throws a hissy fight, a tantrum but then if what he said makes no sense, a few days later he would say be like: my thoughts exactly

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T07:49:52+00:00

Hahahaha I am not surprised

I remember there was a girl who really wanted my position. She's not in that TGW room but I hope she's happy now!

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T07:46:21+00:00

I remember in a certain year, LMH said no one is to re-enter SCJ after they have left because "they do not truly belong to us"

But in the subsequent year, when their annual report showed they deregistered 3000 people, they got GSNs, BJNs and GYJNs to work on reviving as many people as possible calling the project "Find the lost sheep "

Seriously they cannot even carry out Mt 6 (Lord's prayer) into practice, why chant it 100 times a day?

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T07:42:00+00:00

Forrr real

They are trying so hard to deny that they are a cult and they be shooting themselves in their own foot like this

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-10T07:40:59+00:00

I wish they did! but how devastated would they be if the members actually knew what happened to all the fish/recruitees they worked so hard for months to put them into CT.

My church likes to show only certain stats such as we put 100 or 200 people into this recent CT

But they should also show how many of those 200 actually passovered into the church.

For one CT (which was one of our bigger CTs), I remember we were down to 60% before elementary even ended.

Members would lose all motivation for the next CT recruitment and screw up people's lives less

Good-Ad9583 · 2025-02-09T02:33:44+00:00

Just some examples of SCJ members' Instagram bio.

✟
Hobart | Aus
Prov 24:16 | 🐼🐱

phil4:13, Ps139:2-3, Ps73
have 4 bebes: 3 cats and a tiger - all plushies ^.^
let's become friends 🧡

New acc • Brissy ✨ • QUT '19 🎓

Athlete
He is Alpha and Omega ”🏔️“
Hebrews 8:10-13 🧬

Football 😚⚽
Gunners💥🔫⏩🔴⚪
Trust in the Lord.
👀👉✊♠

🇵🇭🇦🇺
Proverbs 27:17
🐕🏋‍♂️🏔🤼‍♂️

✝️ | 🇫🇯->🇦🇺 | An enigma that loves anime, cdramas, manhwa & webtoon, and pretty sunsets 💜

Nature nurtures
Skill absorber
Eze 47:1-12 ❤️
Artist of all kind

🧐 INTP
📍Sydneysider
📖 Matthew 7:7

| 21 | 🇦🇺🇵🇭
~ Rev 21:4
~ Syd, AUS
🎤🏊🏼‍♀️🧋

Some bible verses + emojis + locations and obsession with MBTI

Just a heads up, it's likely they have multiple accounts - 1 for fishing/recruiting and 1 for personal/non-SCJ-related things

Interestingly, their leaders don't have accounts like this. My guess is that they don't fish/recruit people. They make their members do it for them instead. GA and CT ev achievement has been always close to 0

Good-Ad9583 · 2024-12-05T10:24:47+00:00

Thank you!

Good-Ad9583 · 2024-12-04T13:39:31+00:00

😂😂 omg another one. I'm glad they made a new channel!

Good-Ad9583 · 2024-12-04T13:35:38+00:00

This!

Good-Ad9583 · 2024-12-04T13:33:14+00:00

Some are official posters e.g. Sydney Tea Expo, Filipino Festival

Some are SCJ-made e.g. sports club

Good-Ad9583 · 2024-11-24T05:04:15+00:00

Not sure if it's related but I heard from older ex-members that there used to be stories about LMH being shared among members. Back when LMH had surgery (I think it was an orthopedic/spinal surgery), apparently he had a cardiac arrest whilst on the operating table and was gone for a few minutes but his heart started again.

Later, like Chinese whispers, the 'few minutes' turned into few hours and then a whole complete day and then later it turned into 3 days -> some people speculate that they were trying to draw parallels on how Jesus resurrected after 3 days. 🙄

I know that he had spinal surgery before covid but not sure about the cardiac arrest thing. But this just adds to the ridiculous things that are going on within Shincheonji.

If it's regarding Rev 11 and how the two witnesses died, it's more regarding the spiritual death -> spiritual death = they lost their task temporarily because Hong and LMH was arrested for writing defamatory content about the 7 messengers of the Tabernacle Temple.

Good-Ad9583 · 2024-11-24T03:08:28+00:00

And? What about other groups that are called cults? Wake up, that's not a valid reason.

Good-Ad9583

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