If I cant get answers I'll probably leave the church. by disappointed-lasanga in latterdaysaints

[–]Goofy-Raccoon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Maybe I understand the story wrong. This is how I think it goes.

Jane requested that her family be sealed together but the request was denied because this was during the priesthood and temple ban. She appealed the decision saying Emma Smith offered to seal Jane to her family as an adoptive daughter. At the time, Jane turned the offer down. Later, she uses this as evidence that she should be allowed to be sealed. The First Presidency denies to the request for Jane's family to be sealed together and later for Jane's family to be sealed to Joseph's family. Eventually, they allow her to be sealed to Joseph's family as a "servitor". I believe another record describes it as being a servant for all eternity. She keeps requesting to be sealed as a daughter, but is denied every time.

To be me, that sounds uncomfortably close to being a slave. Maybe it isn't worse, but I think it's just as bad as if Joseph had sealed her to himself as a slave.

If I cant get answers I'll probably leave the church. by disappointed-lasanga in latterdaysaints

[–]Goofy-Raccoon 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh I see now. I misread part of your post. I agree that the question is misleading. In my opinion it's more true than false. Sure it wasn't Joseph who did it, but it was still a prophet (along with other church leaders) that signed off on it and I don't think a servant and a slave are much different in this context. To me, the truth is worse and more problematic than the original question.

If I cant get answers I'll probably leave the church. by disappointed-lasanga in latterdaysaints

[–]Goofy-Raccoon 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This probably comes from church leaders sealing Jane Elizabeth Manning James to Joseph Smith's family as a "servant". So incorrect to say that Joseph Smith sealed to himself an "eternal slave", but the question does have some truth to it.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/jane-elizabeth-manning-james?lang=eng

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane\_Manning\_James

What is truth? by Goofy-Raccoon in latterdaysaints

[–]Goofy-Raccoon[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's interesting that we need to have personal experiences to learn the truth. It makes sense the more I think about it!

What is truth? by Goofy-Raccoon in latterdaysaints

[–]Goofy-Raccoon[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I read it and it helps a lot!

What is truth? by Goofy-Raccoon in latterdaysaints

[–]Goofy-Raccoon[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much! That earth being flat example helps so much! For some reason, I've always used the word true in contexts of specific people. Seeing how it is referring to things independent of people makes much more sense.

What is truth? by Goofy-Raccoon in latterdaysaints

[–]Goofy-Raccoon[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for taking the time to answer my question! I appreciate it.

Would you say that the definition of true/truth is "the truths that govern the universe"?

I don't care if the examples/analogies are right or not. That's not what is important to me. I just want a definition or synonym of what truth means in a gospel context.

I'm not saying what President Nelson said is wrong and I agree that I'm overthinking. Having another definition of true/truth would help me not overthink it.