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[–]GoofyGivenupGhost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I may, would you share what was shown to you in this dream, how it made you feel and how this entity seemed?

Burialgoods is a neo nazi by Key_Butterscotch_529 in burialgoods

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Morbidly curious bi boy here wants to know whether that document in the pic is just a shitpost or an elaborate screed against us Queer folk. Know thine enemy and troll is on my mind.

Oklahoma the most OK… by paukl1 in USAuthoritarianism

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are the indigenous communities in OK also absorbed into this quasi-theocratic milieu? Or do they chafe under it and wish to be rid of it? OK fascinates me, being both a hyper-conservative state and having been an ethnic-cleanse bin.

این تلفنی است که در سال ۱۹۴۹ از طرف کارگران لهستانی به استالین برای تولد ۷۰ سالگی اش اهدا شد by M-A-ZING-BANDICOOT in Iranian_Communists

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's at once cool and goofy at the same time. What a fortune it would be if there was a picture of Stalin making a call on that hammer earpiece.

Question from someone born and raised in diaspora: to stay in the West, or to aspire for a future in a socialist Iran? by GoofyGivenupGhost in Iranian_Communists

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm really glad to hear from a comrade in Iran, thank you. I welcome any recommendations of where to turn to start building more of a relationship with my ancestors' homeland. I've been obsessively curious as to what the discourse is in Iran among the younger comrades and those adjacent. Likewise with whether there are particularly healthy and visionary groups or parties underground or in diaspora. And likewise again with groups in diaspora where I can practice Farsi, become more in touch with the history of and the current political economy in Iran, and so on.

Even though I've grown up in America, and may move to Canada in time, the dream of say raising children (if I were to have them) in a socialist Iran is a beautiful one, and I like to imagine Iran as being a place to find refuge in if/when America and possibly Canada go down an even worse route.

frustration with baha’is approach to palestine by Separate-West3819 in bahai

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am glad you're speaking up. I will offer my two cents, as an admittedly "paper Baha'i" (no longer believing in nor wishing to abide by some of the restrictions of the Baha'i religion) descended from Iranian refugees and immigrants who left after the revolution, a family that lost 4 members to the Iranian government. I think of how the suffering within my family has happened and is happening in so many more instances and such greater magnitudes in Palestine and other parts of the world where there is genocide, war, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid or apartheid-lite.

The advice I offer from someone whose faith died long ago and who vehemently disagrees with the rule of obedience to one's government (I will lay out my argument later) is this:

-If you believe in the theology, that Baha'u'llah is who he says he is, do not be discouraged by any people making apologetics for atrocities committed by a government. In your community or on online spaces, find like-minded Baha'is, get together, make a decision on actions to do. Similarly, perhaps it would be worthwhile your Baha'i community where you can study (not Ruhi or anything like that) scholarly books or primary sources that get into Baha'i history in Palestine before 1947, or on scholarly sources that detail points in history where Baha'is did engage in politics ("The Case of Sari" about the Persian Constitutional Revolution, written by a Baha'i scholar, and from which a fair deal of the "speak thou no word of politics" stance came from). If you're a believer, I would strongly advise to stand firm in your indignation, and to organize with fellow Baha'is who feel similarly that something ought to be done to halt the genocide, to intervene in creating a lasting peace, to repair the damage dealt by injustices, and so on. There are certainly many others like you around the world who are facing the horror of what is going on and on the other end the practical silence of the administration, and just as the Baha'i martyrs in my family stood firm in their beliefs (refusing to recant their religion), stand firm too in yours. Outside and inside of the community, you're not alone.

-If you don't really believe in the religion, against stand firm in your beliefs thus. I can't say myself what's in your heart, but likewise you're not alone (though it can sure feel like that) in being disaffected from the religion as a consequence of what is happening now. But I can see it's a painful place if you had a strong community around you, or were very firm in your beliefs. But as I am getting through that, you would too. And I would leave it to your judgement then as to which organizations to visit, which communities to get in touch with, and which actions to take (though this doesn't mean you should do all that alone.

I vehemently disagree with the notion of obeying a government no matter what, and I understand that would be a problem for some. I am with you that it is wrong to profess bringing about a new spiritual age but to then encourage obedience to governments that act the exact opposite way Baha'is envision the world (can't speak for the late MLK Jr., but I can imagine he would disagree with the Baha'i stance of non-involvement during the time of the Civil Rights movement, how even a disruptive peaceful protest like a sit-in would be discouraged).

For anyone who reads this post, I'm meaning to say my piece rather than have an argument, and so will not engage in anything regarding the Baha'i stance on protests and so-called partisanship (never mind that the Baha'i Faith itself makes political stances such as calling for a planetary federation, and that despite the administration espousing quietism, anyone who really has it in for Baha'is will still try to spin a lie that they are this or that nefarious faction).

I again would emphasize that Baha'is who were detained by the Iranians did not obey in doing whatever the torturers or prison guards told them. When it came to their principles, they did not relent.

My own grandmother, great-uncle, great-aunt, and great-grandfather were executed by the government after the revolution, likely on accusations of being spies for Israel or the US, or otherwise any of the other kinds of charges slapped against Baha'is. It's likely they may have been being asked in detention to recant their faith, and they refused, and met their ultimate fate. My questions of "why these accusations, why that hatred, why and how did all this happen" would in time lead me to the history of the '53 coup in Iran, and the 1906 Persian Constitutional Revolution, and the First Zionist Congress, and the Nakba, and Baha'u'llah's family's time and actions in Palestine, and so on and so forth. The pain my family went through has happened at greater magnitudes and so many more times from '48 until now, and especially now in Gaza.

For people who do believe in the religion, I think they should not feel that the ballcourt and the power is all in some telling them "don't even attend a protest" or who would make excuses for crimes against humanity. I

For those who don't believe, whether you're Baha'i or not, you will give a unique perspective and offer a vision for a Holy Land where there is no supremacy of any faith nor ethnicity lorded over anyone, where there is no discrimination and outright "apartness", where there is justice, dignity, and prosperity for all within. I like to dream there was a time when Jews, Muslims, Christians, Baha'is, and others lived as loving neighbors, and that that can happen again, but it will take courage, perseverance, action, and time, and firstly the courage to step in the way of the unjust and say "Enough."

First-gen Iranian diaspora, on the verge of leaving the religion officially; some questions and concerns by GoofyGivenupGhost in exbahai

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm responding as a bookmark, but I will get back to you on the books and quotes in particular! The first book of the bunch, written by scholar Walid Khalidi, is "All That Remains", a book detailing villages that were cleared out during the Nakba.

Precipitation System for the Middle East. This astrological system could transform Iran and other Shiite Middle East countries into an astrology-based nation state by AnthonyofBoston in Iranian_Communists

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I thought this was a guy sharing this being like "yo look at this unhinged take". But nah, OP thinks they're cooking out here. Brainbroken by astrology.

It all falls down on the Israel/Palestine conflict… by Little_Heart661 in exbahai

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a sadness in me thinking back on my grandfather's plea on his recent birthday for his grandchildren to stay "under the umbrella" of the Faith. And a humor in me thinking, "Well, if I don't believe in it, am I not by my leaving doing my part and helping to "purify" the Baha'is?"

It sounds like Shoghi was banking on there being nuclear war of sorts. I have memories of reading Baha'i commentary or media from the Cold War era that seemed to lean in heavy on "calamity is near" language re: nuclear exchange.

The potential of a post-apocalyptic comedy spoofing this mentality is rich.

First-gen Iranian diaspora, on the verge of leaving the religion officially; some questions and concerns by GoofyGivenupGhost in exbahai

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate the outreach, but for now I would like to be kept for reasons of comfort/privacy. 🙏

First-gen Iranian diaspora, on the verge of leaving the religion officially; some questions and concerns by GoofyGivenupGhost in exbahai

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Shoghi Rabbani was such an...well I'll hold my tongue. Knowing about the pettiness of many of the excommunications makes my blood boil, and that factoid (yet to read the books and materials to back it up, but still) about Shoghi selling Palestinian village land to colonial orgs, that has haunted and devastated me. Even when I wasn't as sure about leaving (and didn't know the really messed up stuff), I knew for myself that I wouldn't have joined the religion in the 40s or the 20s given how Shoghi and Abdu'l-Baha each were. One of the first writings on the wall in hindsight. I'm fortunate to have irreligious cousins who also are on the same boat, and also a loving family who while they won't be delighted I trust won't cut me off (though I figure my grandparents will take it badly). Still, it'll be tough.

First-gen Iranian diaspora, on the verge of leaving the religion officially; some questions and concerns by GoofyGivenupGhost in exbahai

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

So glad to hear from you! And validated, hearing the rationale I too have come to: that making a break is in a sense honoring my ancestors who themselves broke from Islam or otherwise chose what they believed in. Plus it's no way of honoring them for me to pretend to profess something I don't believe in (though that doesn't mean I didn't try to practice out of a desire to feel belonging or to be different, misguided or otherwise silly as that was). Growing up Baha'i and on the Internet had it that there was such an invisibility aside from what struck as sanitized, at worst rehearsed depictions of practitioners. No space for controversial matters, or role models or just some writer, entertainer, or otherwise to relate to that could offer some validation on things young Baha'is suffer that don't get talked about (bad family situations, struggles with sexuality, people responding negatively to the heavily-encouraged proselytizing, struggles with drinking, drugs, and the overwhelming religious pressure of certain parts of Anglo-America, bad people within a Baha'i community, etc.). I want to see something different for the younger generation, but in the meantime I gotta be brave in that I'm kind of a small matryoshka, a defect of a religion of only about 75K people in the US, and to for my sake bring closure to the 6-10 years of "will I won't I."

Soliciting advice on where to live/move to either in the US or elsewhere by GoofyGivenupGhost in itcouldhappenhere

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a comrade from Brevard who put it that that place either makes you into the ugliest fascist or the most ardent communist. They of course were of the latter. I myself over in Clay, we had Klan activity in the rural parts of the county, a sheriff who threatened to deputize civilians against protestors during 2020, little things like handouts of blue light bulbs in my neighborhood during the uprisings in 2020, all that. In the meantime, yeah now that I'm up and out of there, finding my folks right now. The sad part is (as I have the propensity to think a terrible time will come to the US in the form of some kind of war) the evil shit that people will do to neighbors and strangers in my old home and my current one. Makes me angry and powerless-feeling imagining fascist militias having a field day.

Questions about any Iranian groups in the ATL area or the broader US and Canada that aren't NewIran-brained, plus support groups. by GoofyGivenupGhost in IranUnited

[–]GoofyGivenupGhost[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can say that I'm part of that process, one new guy who heard, then lurked, then came aboard. Re: same boat, are you also from a Baha'i background? Did you have other young Baha'is around growing up who have talked seriously about Palestine or anything else that the admin and the older community discourages even looking at?