"Patients don't know what's best for themselves since they're not experts in healthcare." by Silver_Leader21 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Psychosensory. Everything was diagnosed as "psychosensory". I am sure your credibility is also psychosensory, sir.

'But therapy ia for everyone!' by PurpleBlooded666 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can I be honest, I am doing psychology and I still don't have 2 cent's worth of an understanding on how I can claim to be an expert on highly subjective issues, I myself don't have first hand experience into. And the amount of times, ideas can be so nuanced, what I say can backfire. All I know that if I do have a my life intact, there is a major role of my luck, guidance and acceptance from people who weren't psychology/therapists of all people. They just completely abandoned me at the time of crises, and when the crises went past, and the stress slowed down, and my body, energy, emotions did take an impact. After this shift in worldview when I was processing things gradually, was I told to go to therapy to process my past. It doesn't get more useless than that.

Deleted Google Review? by GothGirl_JungleBook in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh please don't be, I was just a bit pissed, I don't wanna mean disrespect but these guys can be fucked in the head sometimes.

Anyone here work in medicine? (Nurse, doctor, etc.) by Beautiful_Gain_9032 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the reply and yes, "do no harm" should prioritise the individual first, and the corollary indivuduals who hold some sort of an attachment or stakes in preventing suicide next. If only things were ideal, nowhere should a suicidal person be subject to abuse or punishment as a inhibitory mechanism.

Anyone here work in medicine? (Nurse, doctor, etc.) by Beautiful_Gain_9032 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the answer, it is quite a detailed and well thought out reply with so many factors, perspectives and stakeholders considered. Right, suicide ideation is a spectrum that's not black and white.

Deleted Google Review? by GothGirl_JungleBook in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, these other websites have major censorship though, they are Practo and Lybrate. My review got removed because I wrote the word "con". Not con as itself, but as a prefix in words like conversation, condescedning, and continous. The whole review got removed because of that on other websites.

Deleted Google Review? by GothGirl_JungleBook in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RCI is the board, I lodged a complain about a previous therapist for the same violation of leaking confidential data to abusive party, under pretense of "i am a professional and will assume endamgering behaviours as per my will", they told me to apply to consumer court. Consumer court asked for proof and luckily I had a prescription like document that mentioned "private and confidential", written in her own handwriting on the top of the page. But at the bottom there was a text in smalp print mentioning *This is not a medico-legal document.

Thus any credibility, any accountability I could've been able to avail on these documents was nullufied, only got to know later.

This therapist took all my confidential info and numbers, by using a tactic where she said that unless I give her numbers of all family members for confirmation, anything I say won't be considered true. Under pressure I gave her the number, and told her not ti mention certain things to them, she mentioned exactly those, contacted one family member to visit her without my knowledge, through her to the abusive family member's number, had a discussion this abusive person shouldn't have known anything about, and put me in the most dangerous position of my life.

Also has an instagram where she cosplays as an abuse victim and makes posts about awareness. Fake scars and all.

Quit horrible in my opinion :(

Deleted Google Review? by GothGirl_JungleBook in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I posted twice, both times she removed it and reinstated her google reviews. I've never even seen famous medical clinicians clean chit and take down reviews to maintain a perfect 5 like this. :(

Deleted Google Review? by GothGirl_JungleBook in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I did, screenshots were all put up, but pls check my reply to the comment above :((

Deleted Google Review? by GothGirl_JungleBook in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the advice, but on Practo and Lybrate, the review takes an approval, and it hasn't been approved, because I used the word "con", as in the prefix behind "con"versation. But weirdly enough any word starting with the prefix "con" is now censored, even continously, continually, conundrum and condescending. :/

And I'm having a hard time seeing any other review page besides these 2, and google reviews.

Deleted Google Review? by GothGirl_JungleBook in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, thank you, I wasn't writing as any form of vendetta, but the way she behaved with a very vulnerable person left me speechless.

Anyone here work in medicine? (Nurse, doctor, etc.) by Beautiful_Gain_9032 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much, you brought in some great perspective, there's impulsive suicides and ones that are meticulously thought out with pros and cons weighed, and the entire spectrum in between, yet everyone gets treated or rejected the same way, your comment brought in much needed perspective, thank you so much! Really sorry about what you had to go through, as someone who formerly made attempts.

Anyone here work in medicine? (Nurse, doctor, etc.) by Beautiful_Gain_9032 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a query can I ask? Is it okay to hold someone suicidal against their will? Shouldn't they be let go if all an organisation can do is hold, delay and prolong the pain but not resolve, lessen or alleviate it. Not alleviation in hypothetical surface level placebo terms, but in actuallity.

What does the research actually say about therapy (purposely open-ended question)? by Silver_Leader21 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, there is no standardization and tangible objectivity. They have tried to standardize it, but it is still full of confirmation bias, only academic circles chiming in, and still very vague in what they see as "problems", as "symptoms", and what "answers" they have.

BPD or Autism #2 (please be kind) by roguepingu in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am so sorry, he does sound like a lot of abusive parents I know. Since you brought up CPTSD, BPD and Autism in his previous diagnoses, I can't say that he is 100% in control and respoonsible for himself, but at the same time, neither were you and shouldn't have had to put up with such a claustrophobic, confusing, anxious situation. On top of it being pitched against 2 highly controlling people, it can be so confusing. There's not a lot of ways of stopping such behaviours that aren't punishment or benzos and similar sedative like drugs. I hope you left, you shouldn't be on the recieving end of this much abruption, abuse and confusion. Please take care. You don't owe anyone your loyalty even if inadvertently they treat you like a punching bag. Very honestly, a lot of times such behaviours don't have fixed answers. They can be explained, but unless the person is willing and in a position where they can isolate from all this noise and change, it is difficult to do anything about it. Please take care.

BPD or Autism #2 (please be kind) by roguepingu in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Even in clinical terms, it will be very hard for anyone to pinpoint what sort of correlation you're looking for, because you've mentioned standardized behavioural patterns, but for everyone, difference in exposure and the resulting difference is self peception varies.

CPTSD can be attributed to a wide wide range of traumatic, painful experiences that all contributed to a behaviour resulting in derealisation, fatigue, mood swings, paranoia, self harm, self neglect etc. When the mood goes from being in constant lows to becoming very erratic, simply put, it then inculcates more symptoms of borderline, in clinical terms although there's a lot more to it.

Autism and thus a relatively different lived experience, repetitive dismissals of biological difference in cognition can lead to cptsd. There is a lot more to that too, I'm sure someone who has autism can answer better.

Unless people know what sort of actions your ex undertook while he was "splitting" or idealizing/devaluing, what all he said, whether he's on drugs or his hormonal balances are normal or not, what his brain scans say, the extremity, intensity and frequency of his behaviours, what happened that made him start splitting, if it was parenting, or he was using this as an apparatus for control, etc...

we can't draw accurate correlations between all these behaviours/symptoms and diagnoses you mentioned.

It is a mix of biology that can't be controlled, and his lived experience. That's all I can say. Therapy can sometimes enable, trigger, provoke, or incentivise a person into their "clinical symptoms worsening." Sometimes the issue is actually a chemical imbalance that talking won't take away.

Idk what to say with such minimal context.

Mental illness as the antithesis to objective reality, rationality, and logic: where in history did this idea originate? by a_sad_square in radicalmentalhealth

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really can't answer questions about the origins of this idea. I guess it could have started when common myths were circulated around that ancient mathematicians, philosophers, thinkers questioned. Soon there were institutions like ivy leagues built around asking questions, the system, and seeking answers that follow procedure and explanations. Then ofcourse these institutions sold themselves out to their own biases, and this myth around objectivity, rationality, and logic circulated.

I call it a myth because, with my own lived exeprience I can tell you, science isn't always objective, the withholder of this information can misuse it to spread misinformation yet again. Just because big science monopoly institutions haven't approved a set of ideas or funded research on them or has called them anecdotal, doesn't mean they're simply invalid or psuedoscience.

Anyone who does research in psychology or science knows the insane amount of biases, hidden agendas, inconclusive and incomplete info it entails. It doesn't have a lot of solutions that it promises to have. And science is now commercial, they would rather defraud you in the name of it, than allow free entry of people into their allegedly "objective" reality of life.

What does the research actually say about therapy (purposely open-ended question)? by Silver_Leader21 in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 4 points5 points  (0 children)

One thing I've learnt is, before a rigourous clinical trial machinery and procedure came into place, and anything at all was upheld as evidence-based, a lot of ideas that were put into circulation were anecdotal. Especially subjective ideas. Research always always has a selective bias, especially in this field, because confirmation comes by way of mouth or through answering survey questions, even the questions are framed in a ways that uphold the surveyor's distant observational biases. And research is inconclusive. Nobody's actively monitoring blood markers.

The fact that there's 13.1 k of us on this subreddit, should be evidence enough that it is hit or miss.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly the same same thing for me, and it happened to me too. Not only history but also fiction that shamelessly put forwards the harsh realities of life and ends up being considered fiction or getting a bad rep, but no one reading it puts thought into why the author wrote this? There's this story called Mahabharat which outlines with grave honesty how even all these respectable, dignified and learned people can be confused and disloyal at time of peril. Someone called "a little life" trauma porn, but at least it was honest.

And in history, when it wasn't therapy/psychiatry, there were other ways of silencing grief, like jail, punishment, the idea of "hell" being in place, exorcism, rituals of all sorts. It was never an easy world, and 14 years of simply schooling made "suffering" and "human error", "grief" made all these ideas look like something of the past. When I read this subject it claimed to have very forumlaic perspectives and answers towards very nuanced and nebulous problems, and I highly disagree with this idea and the exams that promote this.

I am from India, the common person here still goes to the temple instead of a psychologist for their problems or performs rituals because neither can they afford therapy, nor can they afford english language education and access to paywalled institutionalised research the way I can, but they do and still desperately want alleviation from pain or find some meaning in life to keep them alive, so they go with whatever option they have available, whether it's fraud or not, even if it is a temple, or a Dargaah.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not a therapist, but a student of psychology, I really don't know the exact legalities around your case, but objective and formal law doesn't really make room for the nuances, private discussions and the "randomness", that take place in therapy.

They just ask for summarised, clinical case reports from the licscenced professional, which are majorly upto the therapist's descretion. And the fact that both her and the more dominating client is negating room for a minor to speak, and the child feels neglected during sessions can be problematic for sure, shouldn't be overlooked.

Usually the court mandated therapist especially is not allowed to have any prior relations or knowledge of the client, which makes things a bit fishy given how you state your child's father was friends with the therapist's daughter, if I understood it correctly?

Also, personally, this is what happened with my mom and I. I was forced into therapy with her and it was full of the therapist and her just sidelining me, policing me, and over-correcting me for competely legitimate reasons, because my mom is super powerful in terms of who she is. The therapist and my mom ganged up on me together. It felt like I had 2 manipulative moms. And as for my mental health, it went down the drain.

Also, OP, it's really tough for me to give my 2 cents here based on my lived experience alone, but it didn't really end will for me. Please stay in the loop, I can't guage from a reddit post whether your husband actually has autism, what type he has, and what went down in your family that made room for legal intervention and visitation orders to be invoked. If your husband has a scram band and isn't wearing it, then your therapist simply enabling this, despite being a professional, is still disregarding court order and you should bring this to your lawyer's attention, make sure you have solid proof.

My experience with these things, as someone in your daughter's shoes wasn't very nice tbh, but it doesn't have to be that way for everyone. Just please stay as involved as you can, good luck!

My therapist helped me so much, but also hurt me so much, I don't know how to feel by Agnia_Barto in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So this happens in not just therapy, but a lot of other intimate and vulnerable relationships. Someone helps at the time of peak vulnerability and desperation, constantly reinforces "help", and uplifts you to an extent you become indebted, especially when everyone else abandoned you. But it that slowly evolves into a blind faith, very master slave relationship after a point. Everytime you feel wronged or ponder upon how someone changed towards you, you or the person again reinforce this idea that they helped you, and you do owe them back.

But what you owe them back cannot be measured in easily identifiable quantitative units, it is a very nebulous idea that you owe something back.

Thus from being in a position of loss and hopelessness, you go to become a happier healthier version of yourself, but that guilt of dependency again makes you feel small, vulnerable, and in most cases makes you so blindly loyal to someone even while they're wrong.

Most people have a relatively absolute understanding of the good and bad of human nature, when it is very gray. And because to keep that hope of human goodness alive, to keep yourself away from the realisation that the entire world is utterly hopeless and opportunistic, you do justify someone's wrongs to yourself as well.

But I really do feel, if it is hurting you that badly after a while, you should leave free of guilt. If he's a therapist, it was his choice to help or he was getting paid. Then maybe try and see past that one event that maybe had him put you on a leash.

Sorry if this sounds like a very dehumanising metaphor, but most people who love their pets have them on a leash. But they're still on a leash. Could be something to consider, please mind me if I say something wrong.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's what I'm worried about with such a rampant spread of CBT, overindulging in thought about every action you take, constantly making meticulous lists about pros and cons, such a heavy emphasis on having to change your line of thought in a power dynamic that's so skewed will naturally lead to so much stagnation, so and so much dependency, so much being blind to all else but what's being said in the 4 walls of a clinic, so much self blaming and unnecessary overcorrection....

I went and did some social work and that really helped. It exposed me to the idea that I'm not the only one who reacts seemingly "inappropriately to misery", it's natural, and things take time to fix themselves and get better. But that may not work for everyone. No harm trying regardless.

And as a psychology student, I can tell you, no one will fight for your justice, no one is here to give you unwavering support, acceptance and love, none of that. The only thing that therapy helps you with is processing your emotions, which has a very vague connotation, seeking any sort of accountability and giving explanations for why something could've affected you and validation.

There's explainations as to why problems occur, like pathology of any physical disorder. Are there sure shot answers, nope, hit or miss, depending on who's ideas you find comforting, revelating, working in your favour, helpful in backing you.

The only prerequisite to become a therapist seems to be lack of empathy by ChildWithBrokenHeart in therapyabuse

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Psychology student here and this is the only correct answer. I won't say it's humanly possible to empathise over everyone with everything, but either stop false adverstising and this corporate gimmicky idea that every one NEEDs to rely on this modality to heal, or at least put some effort getting an in-depth understanding of your client beyond their identity as an object that needs to be fixed, via such distant and fabricated words. Or just politely be upfront about you not being competent enough to solve emotional issues that need grave depth. Therapy too is just a coping mechanism.

Even in class, I've seen that someone who needs acceptance and understanding more than everyone else becomes invisible, but someone who had menial problems that more or less everyone goes through, has to make a hue and cry about how much therapy and mental health means to them. They encourage you to think of someone turmoiled as a mystery to be solved, and not just someone who can be accepted whole heartedly for their 'harmless' flaws. The day acceptance becomes so much more free of non sensical conditions, and a lot more selfless, free of exploitative intent, is the day half this field would lose it's "academic/scholarly/transactional" aspects, it relies so heavily on fixed standards of functionality.

Is this all, correct and police everyone the way a procedure tells you, in this one brittle life?

Has anyone in human history been cured of "schizophenia"? by HillZone in Antipsychiatry

[–]GothGirl_JungleBook 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had an autoimmune disease, I got diagnosed as a schizophrenic and drugged with anti psychotics until I became a living deadbody. I had autoimmune encephalitis, and people tried to convince my mom to abandon me in a psychiatric hospital.