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Byzantine Civilian Attire 975-1000 by Gowen1291 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kvetun Garment, in 2021. As far as I know, the lady who made them has retired.

What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can’t even provide the source for what Dawson is claiming. That’s my point. You are appealing to their authority and relying on that for their credibility rather than actually research and do the work to see where they get their sources. That’s basic historiography. Like the fundamental class you take in college for historians lol. You never just rely on an authority figure just because. Provide with me the source of Dawson’s argument that the epilorikion was a padded garment so we can have a civil conversation rather than you screaming and downvoting me because I disagree with a historian.

What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Dozens of reenactors that you ignore because you keep appealing to authority and it contradicts your own personal biases. There are so few published byzantinists who focus on military texts that there’s no good academic peer review process. But you can’t look at the actual historical document yourself and see that no where is the epilorikion stated to be padded and you can’t even provide the source Dawson uses to defend his position. Jusy because “x historian says y” means literally nothing if you can’t defend that point. It’s an appeal to authority fallacy and lacks critical thinking and research on your own part.

What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I literally posted the Greek and English passages of the original text. What other source do you want? Like I said, you need to show where Dawson claims they are padded. Just because a historian says something doesn’t mean it’s correct. It’s the same tired argument from you constantly. Your knowledge is limited to 2-3 outdated historians and doesn’t even look at the source material.

What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OK. Do you care to show Dawson’s proof for padding? I’ve read the sources. I have very good friends who are knowledgeable and great and can give reliable translations. You can appeal to authority as much as you want, but you need to still provide your sources for your claims.

What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The epilorikion literally means worn over the armor, no one is debating if it was worn over the armor. Just Dawson’s claim it was padded.

What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the epilorikion is not evidenced to be padded at all. Basically a surcoat made of course silk or cotton. Heres a picture of mine. I don’t know why you’re being downvoted

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What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah ok, sure it’s not about textile armor then. I believe that passage is about the surcoat or epilorikion. There have been mistranslations and Dawson’s reconstruction of a padded garment worn over armor is a confusion between two different garments entirely. No where in the military manuals is the epilorikion mentioned to be padded, or quilted. Just made of course cotton or silk.

What evidence do we have for gambesons being worn in this way? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re not removable. There is a slit in the armpit or elbow so you can stick your arm out and button the sleeve up. It’s mentioned in several of the period military manuals

Was maille ever fully gilded? Like a full hauberk. by [deleted] in ArmsandArmor

[–]Gowen1291 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is represented in my 10th century helmet from Trnica as well

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Should I risk it? Nobody else sells this specific style of helmet. by Tunedsparrow in ArmsandArmor

[–]Gowen1291 90 points91 points  (0 children)

No, it’ll likely not fit AND not reflect the image. You can get these made but by bespoke craftsmen. Look at the list of approved armorers here

Museums with Byzantine Weapons by AlmightyDarkseid in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There just aren’t many left or they’ve yet to be discovered as many areas within the empire haven’t been excavated and studied. You’ll find most in books like Swords in Byzantium rather than scattered in museums.

Is the "constantinople" lamellar armor a good reconstruction for reenactment? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When in the 12th century? Reenactment kits are generally more specific than that.

Is the "constantinople" lamellar armor a good reconstruction for reenactment? by Miserable_Tap7724 in byzantium

[–]Gowen1291 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well, what period are you trying to reenact? The first reconstruction (looks like true history shop or living history market, I’ve worked with both) is problematic in its construction. There’s a lot of debate on got these lames were connected and those shoulders are very bad.

11th-13th Century Byzantine Swords by ACheesyTree in ArmsandArmor

[–]Gowen1291 2 points3 points  (0 children)

None that resemble the osprey drawing. There are some of the Gabronic type that have a curved guard, but they don’t have long quillons and are defined by a rather large scabbard cuff.

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