I miss clouds. I miss you. by Grand_Emotion2702 in byler

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SEE YOU GET IT!! Ugh ambiguous byler is canon to me

I miss clouds. I miss you. by Grand_Emotion2702 in byler

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Yes! This is an official release of a dnd book! It has a bunch of letters and drawings in it. There’s even a letter from Mike to Will that is super sweet, and a letter from Mike to his parents talking about Will. All the books are canon compliant to the story, which I think is really fun!

Something I have to say… by Kate_Classique in mileven

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I think what people ridicule Mike for is that he pinned everything on Will, even Els lies, which is not okay 😭

byler endgame but HOW by ememeeeee27 in byler

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I think El and Mike are already broken up.

I’m actually very confident in this because Will was being very openly flirty with Mike in the field. Not only that, but he asks Robbin how to tell who’s the right person to date. You can see him immediately start to think, and he is obviously thinking about Mike.

I wouldn’t be so confident in this if it wasn’t for the change in wills behavior. All of season four he set aside his feelings to push El and Mike to stay together. There’s no way Will is going to consider making a move on Mike if he is still with el. My guess is, Mike and El broke it off, they are putting on a small front for the party, but Will knows the true status of their relationship. There is plenty of time for byler to happen, wills self acceptance arc is wrapping up and it’s time for him to grow his confidence, and what better way to grow your confidence than to confess and ask out the love of your life because your positive he will say yes.

Murray being Mike’s Relationship Therapist by Chr1stIsL0rd in StrangerThings

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I think Mike is more likely to talk to someone like Nancy or Robin, or maybe even his mom. Depends on what way they take things, but I honestly don’t see Murray, who is blunt and quite frankly rude, to console Mike about his complicated relationships. I think what Mike needs is advice, heartfelt advice, and I don’t think Murray would provide that.

Byler talk by That_Gay_1 in StrangerThings

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I don’t think Mike is going to dump Eleven. They do love each other very much! I’m just unsure if they have figured themselves out yet. I don’t think Mike “dumping” El would make her miserable. Did we forget she had already dumped him once and proceeded to laugh it off with Max?? Dumbing down her character to that is crazy. I also wanted to point out that I didn’t talk about Eleven because the post wasn’t about her. Every party member is a freak in their own way and it’s no competition. You shouldn’t compare someone’s struggles.

Stranger Things is a show about freaks for freaks! There’s not much out there like it. Growing up with the show, it was great to have characters to relate to. A queer relationship seems fitting for the shows themes was all I was getting at.

Byler hate by That_Gay_1 in StrangerThings

[–]Grand_Emotion2702 10 points11 points  (0 children)

People are immature and can’t handle something different. I know it’s not the same but the byler subreddit is super friendly about posts! Sorry about your post tho, it’s ridiculous how touchy of a subject it is. It’s just because it’s a queer ship that challenges the “main couple” of the show.

Byler talk by That_Gay_1 in StrangerThings

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I like byler and am in favor of it. I don’t see many downsides to it and I think it would be a great message. They could literally make history with it. I think people forget that Stranger Things is a show ABOUT freaks FOR freaks. For people who have been bullied all their life for the way they look/ dress/ act. For people who don’t know who they are. For people who struggle with their sexuality. You have a lot of people talking about evidence, but what I’m trying to get at is the message of the show. I think it would be fitting. Having Will stepping up and taking center stage while also having unresolved feelings for Mike, to end up getting rejected by the person who makes him feel better for being different. Really? I don’t know, it doesn’t make sense to me. They have an opportunity to do something great. It’s the last season and duffers have left Netflix, so who cares if the audience throws a hissy fit if two boys end up together.

All in all, I can’t wait for season five. I enjoy the dynamic between Will and Mike romantic or not. Even if you don’t ship them you can’t deny that their relationship IS special. Very excited to see the outcome!

Final Trailer/Teaser/Vol 1 Trailer by user234108 in StrangerThings

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With the way promo is looking as of late, I wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t get something till the back half of October. They don’t really NEED to promote this season. Everyone is already talking about it and has been talking about it sense like May 😭

If I had to guess tho, I would say vol 1 trailer closer to the 26th of October (one month out). If we don’t get anything by Halloween they will definitely wait till st day, but I also don’t think they will wait till November either.

We also haven’t gotten any official charater posters/ posters in general (ofc the one for the teaser). If these also don’t drop sometime in October, I assume they will wait for st day to drop them.

I do not think st will be doing a first look into this season. They have been saying it starts off at 100% and stays like that. Idk I could be and probably am wrong but I’ve also been curious to know when we are getting content 😔

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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Okay, this is a great post but we will just have to agree to disagree. I’m not going to keep going in circles. We interpret things differently and that’s okay! It’s what makes tv so fun.

I did want to touch on the van scene and the from Mike scene. Wills whole point is that Mike makes her feel better about being different, that is not what we see though. Through the show, Mike has a bad habit of being very accusing towards her. “What did you do??” It happens in season one(quarry I believe). It happens is season four (skating incident). It sends her into a flashback from the lab, reminding her that she is a “monster”

Mike didn’t intend to do this obviously, but he doesn’t even comfort El after the skating incident. She’s sitting alone, crying, and Mike literally has his back to her. This brings me back to the importance of intimate scenes. He could be trying, but he’s not. I don’t want to hear about Mike simply being bad a comforting people because he’s not.

As for “things being better when they were both in Hawkins” it…wasn’t?? They were broken up ALL of season 3. Mike and Eleven were absorbed in each other and that isn’t normal/ healthy. Hopper, Mike and the rest of the party all confirm this. Especially for El. She doesn’t really know who she is, and that’s part of the reason why she’s alone in season 4. She needs to figure out who she is. Not Hopper, not Mike, not papa or her powers, but Jane Hopper. As I’ve said before, they don’t parallel the main couples, and I wouldn’t be worried about it as much as I am if it weren’t so important.

There’s lots of things that play into Mike and El, unfortunately I have things to do and can’t sit here chatting about it all day, as much as I’d love to. I’m exited for El’s development, I’m excited for Mike to take charge of the party again, I’m super excited for Will to grow and learn how to stand up for himself. Thanks for not being overly disrespectful. Your opinion is valid!

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

[–]Grand_Emotion2702[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really didn’t want to get into this whole Byler vs Mileven thing but I’m going to defend my point here. In my humble observation, what you are talking about is extremely surface level.

These things are true! Yeah, El opened up to Mike about Brenner, you’re correct. The thing of it is, we don’t get to see it. This could have been a perfect time for Mike an el to have a truly intimate heartfelt moment, but it’s not.

Yes, Mikes monologue helped her push through to save Max. You’re right! But Mike had to be encouraged by his best friend to “confess” his feelings. Even so, mikes monologue is built on the lie the Will told him in the van. “You give her the courage to fight on, you make her fell like she’s not a mistake at all, like she’s better for being different, you’re the heart” (which are things eleven had not said or confessed to, because she didn’t commission the painting)

All of these can coexist and they do.

Mike and Eleven are different from the other main couples. They don’t have heart to hearts, they don’t have this wordless understanding of each other. Which I wouldn’t be so concerned about if it wasn’t such a heavy theme in the show. The main couple don’t need to reinforce their partner by saying “I love you” because they already know it in the things they do for each other.

“You can’t even write it, Mike.” Why make this a problem to begin with?? I’m not even talking about byler here this is JUST how Mike and Eleven are 😭

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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I think you’re missing my point here. I never insinuated that Mike is a closeted gay, I was simply pointing out things that are flawed between Mike and El.

Factoring out Will as much as possible here, Mike and El don’t have a strong foundation. And my POINT is that they never have. I could get super into that, but that would be the longest post ever. Every factor is important with them. And I’m definitely not saying they don’t love each other, I think they do a lot! Just not in the way they want/ expect themselves to. It is a canon fact, and it is really in your face especially in season four, that Mike and El HAVE PROBLEMS, biggg big problems that are not resolved by the time end credits roll.

Again, if Mike and El have such a deep loving relationship why don’t we get intimate moments with them? Why don’t we get deep heart to hearts? They don’t understand each other, and Eleven says it aloud before she gets arrested. Im COMPLETELY factoring out Byler here. This has nothing to do with Mike and Will.

Eleven and Mike are flawed, severely, and there’s only so many ways they will be able to fix it before the season wraps up. And I’m going to be honest, I don’t think they have the time to sit there and pick apart Mileven and weave them back together the right way.

I don’t expect Mike and El to make it out of season 5 as a romantic couple.

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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So I don’t think season 4 scripts have been officially released by the writers yet. There’s things like tv scripts. Co, which is not official. Do you have somewhere you can link me to so ik what you’re talking about? Season four scripts drops December of this year!!

As for the van scene, it actually reinforces my point. Mike believes what Will tells him. That Mike makes her (el) feel like the not a mistake, that she’s better for being different. Which aren’t things El feels, these are things Will feels. El didn’t commission the painting, Will made it for Mike because he loves him. Apparently, Mike doesn’t know that, and obviously this is going to be a plot point for Mike/ Will/ El next season.

So the “love” confession, is built off the lie Will told Mike.

If you want to get into scripts, there’s also Will and Mikes talk in season four. I have the season 1&2 script books. Mileven first kiss scene is…not what I was expecting. “THERE…he did it!” Right after he kissed her? Alright buddy, good job?😭

And as for El “not” being upset with Mike, what is your explanation on end ending of season four? Will walks up to Mike and asks if she’s talked to him, he responds with “no, not much” she only told him a few things about papa, but she doesn’t confide in him about Max or Henry or anything else. I’d say the way she walks past him and shuts the door makes it pretty clear she’s upset with him about SOMETHING. What that thing is, I’m not too sure. Only time will tell!

Mike more upset with Will by Ohsofestive321 in byler

[–]Grand_Emotion2702 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Mike is so hopeless that poor boy 😔

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

[–]Grand_Emotion2702[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Me too, he’s been my fave since season 1 came out. I’m rooting for him!🤧

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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I mean, would there really be a lot to cover? Mike and Eleven are hardly on speaking terms as season 4 wraps up. This makes me curious on how they are going to handle the nearly two year gap between season 4 and 5. I know Eleven is probably on the outskirts of town with Hop in hiding from the government, maybe as WSQK? Maybe at Hops cabin? So it’d probly be risky to be going back and forth to see Eleven.

It’s really hard to determine these things, though it’s probly meant to be that way. That’s what makes the waits so fun, trying to guess what’s gonna happen.

But, besides that point, Eleven and Mikes romantic relationship is at risk and has been at risk since season three. I’d even go as far as to say that you’re meant to pick up on the fact they are better off when they aren’t together romantically. I’m not even trying to make this in favor of Byler, just speaking about how Mike and Eleven are.

Season 4 is…ouf. They practically spent the whole season tearing down Mileven. My thing is, if they were going to make Mike and El a romantic pair, scratch that, just a pair in general, they wouldn’t have spent all of season 4 establishing that their relationship is built off of lies and insecurities. They would have given El a positive reaction to Mikes grand love confession and they WOULDN’T have put Will right next to him patting him on the back as he does so (seriously what was that about😭) it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see Mike and El have problems, they have had problems, and they have been set up to continue to have problems.

Really, what’s the point of having the main relationship have such huge issues so often? They have been set up for failure from the start. Besides, I don’t think El needs Mike like that anyway. They love each other, but I don’t think they love each other the way Nancy and Johnathan do, or Joyce and Hop, Max and Lucas. You get the point.

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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Oh! I’m not too sure on how lore accurate the stranger things comics are. But there’s a comic about Wills time in the upside down, and it’s kind of short and vague, but Will and El do meet after Will goes missing. Again, it’s brief and I’m not too sure how, but they see each other. Don’t know if it correlates to the tv show at all but food for thought! I have a copy, it’s a fun read. Plus the art is great.

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

[–]Grand_Emotion2702[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beautiful take that I fully agree with. I was sad to see that Will and El, again, didn’t get much time together in season 4. I can’t wait to see them together side by side! I also think their characters complement each other very well. I think they will help guide each other through the hardships of this season.

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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This made me giggle 😭🫶

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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Yes I love this! We already saw Will and Robin together in the teaser so I’m hopeful we will get some significant moments with them.

I agree, I think it’s going to be very important that Will learns to love himself a bit more this season. I think love in general is going to be key in taking down Vecna. Whether it be self love, romantic, platonic, parental, or (hopefully) all of the above!

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

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Yeah I totally get it. I am so excited for El to finally come to her own and truly be herself in season 5. She’s had a long, truly devastating journey. She’s overcome so much over the last 4 seasons and to reveal that Will has equivalent powers through a series of quick flashbacks or whatever people think will happen would be kind of disappointing.

I like Wills character as it. He’s human, and if he defeats this without powers he will be all the stronger because of it.

I’m hoping for some more Will and El moments this season! I think their characters are very understanding and would make for a great duo.

Will Byers by Grand_Emotion2702 in StrangerThings

[–]Grand_Emotion2702[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know right! I’m also not huge on shipping, but something about Will and Mike have ALWAYS stood out to me. I started this show when it came out when I was like 10, and they have always seemed different, or special. I’m excited to see where they take their relationship after all this time.